Re: [NOISE] Re: RFD: Time to kick some anti-scientologist ass?
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 10:52 PM 6/8/96 CST, roy@sendai.scytale.com wrote: [snip]
Am I the only one whose ironometer just pegged?
Actually, now that you mention it, mine is pegged. I hadn't noticed, because I was busy trying to recalibrate my bullshit detector which was off the fucking dial. LD's post is full of shit. David Gerard, Jon Noring, and Ron Newman are not "flamers." People who have even lurked there for a short while should know this. I've seen Ron urge people towards compassionate behavior on a.r.s. more than just about anyone on a.r.s. It's a bit hard to be compassionate when you're dealing with a group that uses every means at its disposal to silence its critics. I don't even think Nauta is on a.r.s., except for perhaps an occasional crosspost or two. Perhaps he lurks, but he doesn't post there to any significant extent. I don't know of any "Anti-Scientologists" who are forging cancels. I really doubt anyone would have checked with Dimitri first, though :) JEM did issue a bunch of cancels, as have some of the ISPs whose services have been abused. We have been inundated with over 12,000 "vertical spam" posts since May 19th, and it's still coming in. Many of these posts are repetitions of the same materials, and must be well over the BI by now. "Anti-Scientologists" have discussed various technological methods of dealing with the spam (cross-posted to news.admin.net-abuse), but no plan has been seized upon due to lack of consensus. I've written an article in the latest issue of my zine about the spam, if people would like more info. URL in my sig. Rich -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMbp6fYT0GKfZRA/9AQFGVgQAvvH4Fa8nwF6qbqHGVuKfO2uv0Ynw388Z 0QxO42wIzt9VrNckRvn+geYFRRYu9DoasGCw8imQqBN85OY3OasjpOIycyQnrjEW C3MqyP44esuyThI6Ds30bwFYc4rP+ZWFWp1rmgv3LmYAaPdh1dAwtzPsKzy4N4NF 0pLAsusDr9k= =PSIh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ______________________________________________________________________ Rich Burroughs richieb@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~richieb See my Blue Ribbon Page at http://www.teleport.com/~richieb/blueribbon New EF zine "cause for alarm" - http://www.teleport.com/~richieb/cause
Rich Burroughs <richieb@teleport.com> writes:
I don't know of any "Anti-Scientologists" who are forging cancels.
Check out the Lasarus reports on alt.religion.scientology -- 5000 lines, 6000 lines, 7000 lines...
I really doubt anyone would have checked with Dimitri first, though :)
The forged cancels started a short time after one prominent anti-scentologist flamer e-mailed me and asked for a copy of my cancelbot. (The first time I've seen him being quasi-polite! :-) The cancels look like they came from my 'bot, and are directed at _anything posted by certain Co$ supporters. I don't care about the bizarre religion views of the present or former cult members, but forging cancels makes you as much of a slime as Co$. I note that you chose to ignore the cypherpunks-relevant portion of my question - that the anti-scientologists have been abusing the cypherpunks remailers. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps
On Sun, 9 Jun 1996, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote:
I note that you chose to ignore the cypherpunks-relevant portion of my question - that the anti-scientologists have been abusing the cypherpunks remailers.
I have to agree with the KOTM on this one, as did many of the ars posters (after a few days of flames subsided). IMO, with the remailer network weak, and with the posters KNOWING that the remailers were weak (someone posted ATTACKS ON REMAILERS IMMINENT!!! before the NOTS postings), they should have used throwaway accounts or some other method of posting, like throwaway AOL accounts. Fortunately, the damage was localized. For routine criticism of the cult, absolutely yes, please use the remailers, but for blatant "copyright terrorism," be careful. As I believe they will... we're really not in disagreement here. Only the kooks on either side are trying to make this controversial. I certainly don't think anyone should hold any sort of grudge against the arsvolk (i.e., I don't hate myself for posting Scamizdat 11 a few times to ars and my web page, under my own name). I think everyone but CoS and the KOTM have learned something from this experience, and we'll be better equipped to deal with the next challenge. We all know we COULD stress the remailer network, probably to the breaking point, by sending the right messages to the right people. But we don't, because we're responsible (sorry, I don't think that's a dirty word). Use the right tool for the job. -rich
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