December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

MD5 in Eudora
by Andrew.Spring＠ping.be 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I was just poking around in Eudora for the Mac with ResEdit, and I found a CODE resource labelled MD5. Any idea why Eudora is using MD5 hashes?

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Re: Linking = Showing = Transferring?
by Rich Salz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Another even more subtle problem is inline images, can you say that a >page with an inline image sourced from a foreign site must obey the >foreign jurisdiction. I would assert this is so, because the web >surfer's *browser* imports the relevant parts of the page from >whatever locations (and jurisdictions) they are in, and displays them >as one page. Inline images are not references -- they are part of the page being retrieved. > <img src="http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/obscura/rsa.gif"> >So that the image is *imported* by the *viewer*, and not supplied by >www.obscura. Inlined images are just a convenient way of chunking. The image is imported by the viewer because the server, as part of the base document, told it to do so. You might be able to fool an ignorant court, but it still doesn't change the fact that Lance has a document that in the natural course of operation of the Web, exports crypto. I would advise him to edit the page so it reads Click <A HREF="http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/obscura/rsa.gif">here to see a picture of the shirt. Heck, the very word, "inline" gives it away. /r$

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Munitions shirt (again)
by Ian Goldberg 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

So, Dave and I got free munitions shirts (they're different, though; the font is smaller and they have a bunch of X'd out Constitutional Amendments on the back; I think they ere designed by Joel Furr) for our bug find. So I'm wearing it today. The thing is, I live in International House, a residence that has 50% non-Americans. So, any consensus as to whether it's actually illegal to do so? I remember some disagreement a few weeks ago that AFAIK wasn't resolved. As far as I can tell, it's _technically_ illegal, but any LEO would be out of his mind to try to enforce it (it would have to be a Fed, too, wouldn't it? Or can regular city cops get you for violating export restrictions?). - Ian

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Re: Big Brother is watching you watch Farenheit 451
by Sean Roach 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 05:56 PM 9/5/97 -0700, Bill Stewart wrote: > ... >BTW, the last copy of F451 I saw really irked me - the cover had >explanatory notes like "Fahrenheit 451, the temperature that books burn!" >and stuff about firemen whose job is setting fires. >Are today's kids dumbing down, or less literate, or is it just enough >longer since the book was written that publishers need to try harder to >get people to read it? A varient on the third and the first. The people now see this and say "so what?, the school boards decision to get rid of Mark Twain is over a year old." They see the simple title and don't see the same high octane comments that they see on movie posters. "burn, and fire" probably selling at least 5% more books. That and even though they realize that a lot of it is old news to them. It happened within thier lifetime without thier realizing it. Everyone, please send a recomendation to your senators and representatives to please at least watch the movie variations of Farenheit 451 and 1984. The fact that so much of what was depicted in these books was once fiction should be noted and expressed. If teenagers were informed that there was full-frontal-nudity in the 1984 movie, they might even be convinced to watch it. I didn't see the Farenheit 451 movie, I read the book, I saw part of the opening, saw one inconsistancy, (teacher where the neighbor was a student), turned the PBS station off and went to bed. So, I really don't know if there is any good stuff there. (Does the owner of the bible burn on screen? Does the stand in for Guy Montag get killed on camera by the electric hound? Does Guy Montag roast the fire chief alive, and do we get to see the flames? Etc.)

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cypherpunks press releases/contact list: YES!! DO IT!!
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'm going to argue against TCM and others who are opposed to a "cypherpunk press release" because this is not an "organized group". a press release mechanism is one way by which the organization of this group can be increased. and I'm going to say something heretical in cypherpunk circles, but imho, ORGANIZATION == POWER. this is a basic rule of life that all the rabid libertarians and cryptoanarchist loners here hate to admit, but it's really true and inescapable. anyone who wants to issue press releases for the "cypherpunks", I say, GO FOR IT. don't let someone discourage this because this is an "anarchy". that's actually an excellent reason for you to JUST DO IT!! some will be willing to have their names on the list, and they will email you. others will flame you and not want their name included. simply ignore the later category!! the cypherpunk logo is not copyrighted. no one has any say on who or what a "cypherpunk" is. so, let someone pick a reality and let it prosper or wilt by assent and "voting with the feet". just be careful not to misrepresent anyone. start a list, just like anyone can start a FAQ. a list of names to contact and their specialties would be *excellent* for this purpose. occasional press reports on what is happening on list traffic would be very useful, too. look, there are some very tangible and definite ways to advance the cypherpunk agenda. there are many here who like to play in the dark and shadows and not make any noise. that's fine!! but don't expect everyone to share your disinterest in publicity or organization. if this is in fact an anarchy, why are you discouraging anyone from pursing that which interests them?? IMHO playing in the dark, not trying to appeal to the widespread masses through the media and everything else at hand, is just the NSA's way of trying to manupulate reality through "back door" approaches. I again suggest that a simple list of poeople here who are willing to talk to the press, organized under their expertise/speciality, is an *excellent* idea that is an idea whose time has come. this is such a great idea that *I* may do it if nobody does it after a week or two. --Vlad Nuri

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Re: Netscape sub rosa?
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:30 AM 9/20/95 -0700, you wrote: > >Gee, where's that "Cypherpunks logo" when you really need it? > >A rose covering the Netscape "N" logo? A crypto eagle swooping down and >pecking at weak keys? > >Netscape sub rosa? Or a big burning Netscape logo? Or an NSA agent licking the hot end of an electrical power cord for a Cray? Or a picture of a lock with a big bullet hole through it? Oh no! Not the "Logo Wars(tm)" again! | Visualize whirled keys | alano(a)teleport.com | |"It's only half a keyserver. I had to split the | Disclaimer: | |other half with the government man." - Black Art | Ignore the man | | -- PGP 2.6.2 key available on request -- | behind the keyboard.| | http://www.teleport.com/~alano | <fnord> |

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Re: EFF $10,000,0000 Challenge
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> At 17:31 05/09/97 GMT, bureau42 Anonymous Remailer wrote: > >-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- > >Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 > >MessageID: od2CIT3fELE7K6bkIkKGJBj0MPUJ2TT8 > > > >hQCMA6ozRjzmqceZAQQAh02x0Dxer5vzZiSJ+v7bnMZQdgp425z5OH0NF/f/mXXc > >vInw+UsuTXqWNEV5rEQKYjU3qHoe6suCz5f9hEEnOIBacsD28pYU4ahkGOCTuTY6 > >N3xKrtDRqLPInB8PY7Kfd56jjQsVVRKmJBwXqHbPax4YyUB6ZbKKvSPiuUsAAQSl > >BAH3CFNKcmYjf+VtpjAVOpDNM/PMm1e6m33rZ01Sq6pXC0TTabCf7hkWscet0PCL > >VX0l1Zw5IKaFqo+pZ3EICRMF6HQrc30G7L9TFeKr//3YsO3/bC4VBgNQHA0qf2nD > >ldxAsTGPlRthBTxrzE0LjeOKi/pQOLXQMPQUwEIaL9rncjFgniplFoL6Nj0guJvW > >VvS+gxth8hpeWss7WlFFioV0vShsS/lahA+eg/9nVy8ken8pr4m484w2vwoiSdce > >CarVigVaRh6tCgh0jub7CHuDFg== > >=Q9+G > >-----END PGP MESSAGE----- > > I have brute-forced this message with my NSA-surplus CrayVax (TM) and determined its contents are as follows: Nuke Washington D.C. Now. Please. Do it for me. -- TruthMonger To the EFF (Electronic Forgery Foundation): Please get in contact with me via the remailer network for instructions on where to send my $10M. Here's my PLP key: -----BEGIN PLP PRIVATE KEY----- Version: Pretty Lousy Privacy v6.66 Comments: No Comment UPghm21YcptuKTiUHPwTn4xSjMKfsfVDRKwKWtx1teuauHiM/IBzWMH5+nhxhVjO gOuUIXkcJXcjr1yG2QVGWLJndKBHC3wI/eRC5zYaQGwtz97hpQ9iAJl9hpIYoeKi R/Qe8eC8vQnyOCx7Gare+OuoqLRJj5IvvS3BDShb1mr3s3U1LVEhmI9kS5br6NWY V1J3l2hCk8cdqDRZmgjUoq32mAwK/vTbijCg5Yk1CCkXO3mvia3rNeVdrYJ3/Pv9 t2jHIlAL0qAyJQMdz2qFcmvLOxB3ZiZhA+VYDaeXZ5TZNEz/K+TSU8brMInfaUKi P/R/4YerdYjN8/10xz/j/gJjgIkEddToUYjt2VQDv8E/xcXT0YJZhNWIT/u+MHVF ns9RWIH5J+UxcKPUPjDB7WvuO4+WvoT5xCtPbQhUlpuJrDfWLCjUd6orzovr6yZx HcxBSl8EGy4oULWi5ztrw1fyXm4AmpDB5QNgmWcILIbWNDOAePqxvrAjJEhLHQar y6eHYoL/nuOQonZsB66DhXnlXSghBGp+sNs3XXIOkKHtbPk1jqT9MHg9oe7OwiA4 mcQUpM3XKOPUXcMwEtRzDJnIaeZo3xbwRnmdSaGAyPujFJdz58QLHOte2pcSAkrA Jtrs+SrhZw== =zXsO -----END PLP PRIVATE KEY-----

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Re: Munitions shirt (again)
by liberty＠gate.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Ian Goldberg wrote: <snip> >>So, any consensus as to whether it's actually illegal to do so? I >>remember some disagreement a few weeks ago that AFAIK wasn't resolved. And Tim replied: >The _consensus_ here seems to be: "This t-shirt is illegal to wear in front >of non-Americans," judging by the comments here. And since _I_ started all this trouble with a private e-mail to Futplex; I'll now jump in saying again, [IANAL]: "This t-shirt may or may not be illegal to wear in front of non-Americans," from my reading a while back of the dense text of this silly law, [I'll spare all of you a quote of it, but there's text that MIGHT be interpreted that way.] >The _reality_ is quite different, I think, and the "this shirt is illegal" >hype is, in my opinion, just that, hyperbole. I agree with Tim that actual enforcement of this silly a law is unlikely, especially in Ian's case right now, and *especially* during our US (election) "silly season," for obvious reasons. The availability of strong encryption is unlikely to be a major issue during this election cycle, despite Cypherpunk efforts, and enforcement of this dumb law would be a "gift" to those of us who think it should be. [I hope I'm wrong here, but I think you're safe, Ian.:)] >Even hyperbull, too. I wouldn't go *that* far, though. Poorly written, ambiguous, statist<g> laws can be interpreted in any number of ways and for a variety of reasons having little (or nothing) to do with justice. <sigh> JMR <snip> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Freedom isn't Freeh iQCVAwUBMGBvrW1lp8bpvW01AQFj1AP8C1RKpayv6V15sTBLiFLWV4tlfWRUuLfm JVWgeUeHUFxBV1EttbGv30iTmwlCJmBab/wLUag9S57DLZ6Ajed7jQe0rpra56Nl OgmM1gGU8nJJazYeqiWbYrOc/VSheSqQVLAj+vOoufW8XnU1iFkXQnRziCcyO2Nc bto4hKBrFWY= =qlSx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Regards, Jim Ray "Not everything that is faced can be changed, but nothing can be changed until it is faced." -- James Baldwin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- PGP key Fingerprint 51 5D A2 C3 92 2C 56 BE 53 2D 9C A1 B3 50 C9 C8 Key id. # E9BD6D35 James Milton Ray <liberty(a)gate.net> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Help Phil! email zldf(a)clark.net or see http://www.netresponse.com/zldf _______________________________________________________________________

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by kehazo＠sprintmail.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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A message from Joe Six-Pack
by m5＠dev.tivoli.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Well, the original sender of this is actually anything but "Joe Six-Pack"; his taste in beer is well-developed, and he's no moron. This is, however, an interesting take on the Netscape thing from a non-cypherpunk. He came across the Community ConneXion press release and responded: ------- start of forwarded message (RFC 934 encapsulation) ------- From: XXXXX Subject: Re: Fwd: HackNetscape promotion (fwd) >For Immediate Release >Contact: sameer(a)c2.org 510-601-9777 > >COMMUNITY CONNEXION OFFERS REWARD FOR EXPOSING ENCRYPTION FLAWS > >Sept 19 1995 - Community ConneXion ... Am I the only one who finds this silly? All this fuss about credit card encryption is such BS. My totally unencrypted credit card number is in the hands of brain-dead minimum-wage waitrons and green-haired retail clerks dozens of times a week with no encryption. Gas station attendants, restaurant clerks, supermarkets and banks have the number, and an unscrupulous type could use it and hose me at any time. I've had credit cards for 15 years and nothing like that has ever happened. If it does, I'm out $50 and a bunch of pain in the butt phone calls. So the thought of some geek with a LAN sniffer and too much time on his hands sucking simply encrypted numbers off the internet does not exactly make my heart go pitter-pat. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | Nobody's going to listen to you if you just | Mike McNally (m5(a)tivoli.com) | | stand there and flap your arms like a fish. | Tivoli Systems, Austin TX | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Cpunks War Dance, Feinstein Hari-Kari
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://www.nytimes.com/library/cyber/week/090697patent.html A Patent Falls, and the Internet Dances By Peter Wayner >From the beginning, though, patent 4,200,770 was different. This Saturday night a group of computer scientists, Internet fanatics and Beltway politicos will gather in Washington, D.C.; Silicon Valley; and Boston to celebrate the end of the patent granted to Whitfield Diffie and Martin Hellman for a way to encrypt data. ---------- http://www.nytimes.com/library/cyber/week/090697feinstein.html Feinstein's Remarks Rankle Constituents By Laurie J. Flynn If Dianne Feinstein, California's voice in the U.S. Senate, were looking for the fastest way to alienate her most powerful block of voters, she may have found it this week.

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Re: Linking = Showing = Transferring?
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:18 PM 9/20/95 +0200, you wrote: >> Browser in the US, text in US, crypto gif imported from UK, both legal. >> >> Browser outside US, text in US, crypto gif imported from UK, both legal. >> >> See a flaw in that? > >Not directly, but... what if for some strange reason the image is routed >through US gateways on its way from the UK to, for example, Germany? >I mean, The Net (tm) is a strange beast, and you can rarely tell which way >the message flows... you can't even DO anything about it. It can get pretty weird. A friend did a traceroute on a site across town. It was relayed half-way across the world to get there. (Through Poland or some such absurdity.) It seems that no matter what you do, you are breaking the law... | Minister of Forced Caffinization in the DNRC | alano(a)teleport.com | |"The moral PGP Diffie taught Zimmerman unites all| Disclaimer: | | mankind free in one-key-steganography-privacy!" | Ignore the man | | -- PGP 2.6.2 key available on request -- | behind the keyboard.| | http://www.teleport.com/~alano | <fnord> |

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Bill C-95
by Mike Duvos 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

jf_avon(a)citenet.net writes: > FOCUS: If 97% of Canadians are being pushed around by 3%, > there is something seriously wrong !! If 0.00001% of a society is being pushed around by 99.99999%, there is something seriously wrong. The most important part of any democracy are the checks and balances which prevent the majority from imposing their will on the minority over things which are none of the majority's business. -- Mike Duvos $ PGP 2.6 Public Key available $ enoch(a)zipcon.com $ via Finger $ {Free Cypherpunk Political Prisoner Jim Bell}

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PKP Lawsuit Settled: Both Sides Claim Victory
by Bruce Schneier 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It looks as though the PKP suit is finally over, with both sides claiming victory. Is the decision public? Can someone in California get a copy of it and find out what really was decided. Bruce ***************************************************************************** SUNNYVALE, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Sept. 18, 1995--An Arbitration Panel has determined that RSA Data Security Inc. licensed software products, practicing public-key technology to third parties without the legal rights necessary to the patents covering the technology. The decision, issued on Sept. 6, 1995, came in a binding arbitration between RSA and CYLINK Corp., which formed the partnership known as Public Key Partners (PKP) on April 6, 1990. The purpose of forming PKP was to establish a security standard and jointly license security patents to leading vendors in the high-tech industry. CYLINK has indicated that it will enforce the binding decision in Federal Court. "The ruling exposes everyone of RSA's OEM customers -- from the time PKP was formed in 1990 until the patents expire -- to the liability for patent infringement," said Robert Fougner, general counsel, CYLINK. "Because of the widespread interest in public key technology, this ruling has enormous implications for the entire high-tech industry, impacting the future of all electronic information exchanges including electronic commerce and banking. The panel's decision vindicates our position that RSA Security Inc. has been improperly licensing technology which they did not have the necessary rights to." The fundamental patents covering public key technology (Merkle-Hellman and Rivest-Shamir-Adelman) had been held by the PKP partnership since 1990. Effective Sept. 6, 1995, however, the arbitration ruled that PKP was dissolved and the broadest of the public key patents (invented at Stanford University and which cover all known implementations of public key technology) revert from PKP back to CYLINK. The panel further ruled that RSA Data Security Inc. could not grant its software customers the right to make any copies of RSA-authored software implementing Stanford public key technology. In an order issued Sept. 12, 1995, the arbitrators said that "the intent of the order is to clarify that to the extent a (RSA software) licensee makes copies of the code (whether source or object), it is not protected as a result of the order from a claim that the making of such copies is a `making' under the patent laws upon which a claim for infringement of the Stanford patents can be based." "Cylink will assert the rights to the Stanford patents vigorously," said David Morris, vice president of marketing, CYLINK. "The investors of public key cryptography, especially Martin Hellman of Stanford University, have never gotten a fair return for their ground breaking invention. Since the formation of PKP, RSA Data Security Inc. had been granting software rights which allowed licensees to copy and modify the programs, but without paying PKP or the inventors a royalty for those rights." Arbitration Ruling The Stanford University patents include the Hellman-Merkle patent, the first public key patent making the broadest claim of cryptography, a security technique that ensures privacy, authentication and the integrity of electronic information. Because the Hellman-Merkle patent claims cover all implementations of public key techniques, including the techniques known as RSA. To avoid risk of a patent infringement suit under the Stanford patents, any vendor who has purchased a license from RSA since April 6, 1990, or is contemplating the purchase of an RSA license and is distributing software or hardware covered by the Stanford University patents, must now obtain a license to the Hellman-Merkle patent from CYLINK for their continued use. Customers who would like to contact CYLINK about existing and future licenses should call Robert Fougner, General Counsel, at 408/735-5800. Background Information: On April 6, 1990, RSA and CYLINK formed PKP to establish a security standard, and jointly license security patents to leading vendors in the high-tech industry. The security technology business is unusual in that it is based on patents to which only these two companies have rights. The patents originally developed at Stanford University (Diffie-Hellman, Hellman-Merkle and Hellman-Pohling) broadly claim the invention of public-key cryptography. Another patent, invented at MIT (Rivest-Shamir-Adelman) claims a particular implementation of public key cryptography using the algorithm known as "RSA." In 1994, CYLINK initiated the arbitration against RSA, claiming that RSA's licensing practices exceeded RSA's rights under the patents and violated the agreements forming PKP. CYLINK further claimed that it was denied a promised license to the RSA patent when PKP was formed. Among other rulings, the arbitrators ruled that an April 1990 document grants CYLINK a patent license to the RSA patent. CYLINK Corp. is the world's largest provider of enterprise-wide network information security products and wireless communications. Headquartered in Sunnyvale, CYLINK serves Fortune 500 companies, multinational financial institutions and many international government agencies. --30--crd/sf* jar/sf CONTACT: Cylink Corporation, Sunnyvale Kim Rose, 408/774-6447 *************************************************************************** REDWOOD CITY, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Sept. 19, 1995--An Arbitration Panel recently ruled that Cylink does not have a license to RSA patented technology, that RSA's software licensing practices do not breach any agreement with Cylink or its wholly owned subsidiary Caro-Kann and that RSA now has the exclusive right to license the RSA patent. In a Sept. 6, 1995 ruling, an Arbitration Panel, formed by agreement of the parties, and after nearly a month of testimony, ruled in favor of RSA on every significant issue. The Panel held that neither Cylink nor Caro-Kann had a license to practice RSA patented technology. Cylink admittedly incorporates this technology in its Secure X.25 product line, without any license to do so. The Panel also found that RSA's software licensing practices did not materially breach any of Cylink's rights. The Panel did not rule that anyone, (specifically including RSA and its software customers) infringed any existing patent rights of anyone - including Cylink. As a result of the Panel's ruling, RSA now has the exclusive right to license the patented RSA technology. According to Jim Bidzos, the President of RSA, "RSA will continue to conduct its software business in exactly the same way that it has for the past ten years. "In addition, RSA anticipates that licenses to the RSA Patent will now be much more readily available, because they now can now be granted without Cylink interference. RSA has all of the intellectual property rights which it needs to license its software. RSA will vigorously defend against any claim to the contrary." A recent Cylink press release on the Ruling of the Arbitration Panel is wildly inaccurate. The same Robert Fougner (Cylink's General Counsel) who is cited in the Cylink press release has repeatedly made express representations to third parties that the Stanford Patents do not cover, and are not infringed by, the manufacture, use or sale of products incorporating RSA's TIPEM software developer's toolkit. As noted by Mr. Bidzos: "Cylink lost every single significant issue in the Arbitration. Their press release was simply an attempt to cover up what has been a crushing defeat." Questions regarding the Arbitration Panel Ruling or RSA licenses should be directed to Kurt Stammberger, RSA Technology Marketing Manager, or Paul Livesay, RSA Director of Legal Affairs. --30--as/sf* CONTACT: RSA Kurt Stammberger, 415/595-8782 kurt(a)rsa.com

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076l-090597-idx.html
by Damaged Justice 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[1][LINK] _________________________________________________________________ [2]Business Section: the latest business headlines, company profiles and advice for managing your money. [3]Stocks Page: instant stock quotes, mutual fund quotes, market data and free personalized online portfolios. All Business stories and columns from [4]this morning's Washington Post and an image of the Business section front. [5][ISMAP]-[6][USEMAP] _________________________________________________________________ OTS Eyes Challenges of Rule-Making for `Virtual Banks' By Cindy Skrzycki Washington Post Staff Writer Friday, September 5, 1997; Page G01 The Washington Post The advent of virtual banking -- in which customers may deal with their banks only through computers -- has prompted federal regulators to begin revamping existing rules regarding electronic transactions. Although banks have been dabbling in home banking and automated teller machines for more than a decade, only about 4 percent of U.S. households conduct their banking transactions online, and many of those may be doing such simple tasks as checking an account balance. Since 1995, two "cyberspace" banks have come online, offering services such as the electronic transfer of funds between accounts and bill paying on the Internet. Other more traditional banks are buying the same sorts of software to offer more electronic banking services to their customers, often as an adjunct to traditional services. Banking regulators expect electronic banking -- and the forms it will take -- to grow exponentially now that millions of Americans are hooked into the Internet. "We are examining whether there is anything in our rules that impedes electronic banking and the use of technology," said Nicholas Retsinas, director of the Office of Thrift Supervision, who is heading the agency on an interim basis. The OTS regulates 1,270 federally chartered savings banks and state-chartered savings and loans. "What can we do to facilitate the use of electronic banking?" Retsinas has written frequently about the expanding role of technology in banking, pointing out the profitability of using computers: A teller transaction can cost up to $2.93; an Internet transaction, 2 cents. In April, the OTS began examining rules it has had on the books since the 1980s covering home banking, automated teller machines and data processing. "OTS is concerned that its current electronic banking regulations do not adequately address advances in technology and may impede prudent innovation by federal savings associations," the agency said, promising it will have a proposal ready next month. "We promulgated some rules where we wondered whether the language was appropriate, let alone the rule," Retinas said, referring to "data processing," a vintage term that hardly begins to capture the potential scope of electronic transactions. The agency also was confronted with an increasing number of questions by its banking constituency. Was it all right to offer Internet banking to depositors living abroad? Could savings and loans open accounts for customers or issue loans from remote electronic locations? What kinds of banking services could be offered over the Internet? These kinds of queries prompted the OTS to delve into several areas where current regulations are murky, or nonexistent. For example, the OTS is trying to figure out whether automated loan machines, which allow customers to apply and receive confirmation for a consumer loan at a site similar to an ATM, should be considered branches or something akin to an ATM -- though loans cannot now be originated at ATMs. The OTS also wonders whether its current regulation on home banking services covers transactions such as opening new accounts online or processing credit applications. The agency is considering the philosophical quandaries presented by the borderless nature of banking in cyberspace. How does a bank with no bricks and mortar define community for purposes of fulfilling mortgage-lending obligations to minority groups under federal laws such as the Community Reinvestment Act? "How does an institution demonstrate that is serving the credit needs of a widely dispersed customer base when there is little or no geographic proximity between its deposit customers and its loan customers?" the OTS asked. Then there are questions of security. The OTS wonders whether it should mandate a specific level of encryption to make transactions impenetrable or "rely on general safety and soundness principles to govern a safe system of operation?" Does it need separate regulations for various forms of electronic banking that might be done over the phone, with special software on a personal computer or on the Internet? Some of these questions the OTS has already had to answer. Since 1995, the OTS has approved two "Internet" banks -- Security First Network Bank (SFNB) in Atlanta and the Atlanta Internet Bank. Both offer an array of banking services and rates that are highly competitive with "real" banks. One of the first concerns that the OTS had was the security of systems used by the Internet banks. SFNB, for example, has about 12,000 accounts and $44 million in deposits. To satisfy regulators that Security First could protect consumers' privacy and the sanctity of transactions being done via the Internet, the OTS asked Security First to "test the penetration capabilities," of the bank, said Eric W. Hartz, president of SFNB. That's another way of saying the OTS wanted to make sure that Security First's Internet banking operations didn't become a playground for hackers. Atlanta Internet had to undergo a similar exercise to get approval from the OTS. Bankers, for the most part, think it's too early to write definitive rules for an area dominated by changing technology, although they would like some current OTS rules changed to accommodate different forms of electronic banking. They also said they hoped to see coordination between the OTS and other agencies that regulate banking, such as the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency and the Federal Reserve Board. As Citibank noted in comments to the OTS, "We strongly encourage the adoption of broad enabling regulations and policy statements," but "we believe that the OTS should not at this time promulgate detailed presciptive or, worse yet, proscriptive rules affecting electronic banking activities." © Copyright 1997 The Washington Post Company [7]Back to the top _________________________________________________________________ WashingtonPost.com [8][ISMAP]-[9]Navigation image map [10][LINK] References 1. http://ads.washingtonpost.com/realmedia/OAS/rm/try-it.try?www.washingtonpos… 2. http://wp2.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/business/front.htm 3. http://wp2.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/business/longterm/stocks/stocks.htm 4. http://wp2.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/m-financial.html 5. http://wp2.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/maps/navlong.map 6. 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MacRandoms
by W. Kinney 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I've uploaded the cryptographic random number code for the Mac to ftp://ftp.csua.berkeley.edu/pub/cypherpunks/randomness/MacRandoms.sea.hqx This file contains Colin Plumb's randpool code, my Macintosh wrapper for it, and a nice 68K assembler implementation of MD5. Enjoy. (Sorry if this has gotten posted twice, but my original post seems to have disappeared.) -- Will

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software
by LFWS37A＠prodigy.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I need new crypt software w/instruction if possible. lfws37a(a)prodigy.com

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tdc0997globe.html
by Damaged Justice 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

#[1]HOME [2]COPYRIGHT [3][ISMAP]-[4][USEMAP] September _________________________________________________________________ World Wide Weight America's dominance of the Internet isn't just a cultural issue. It could pose an infrastructure nightmare. By Andreas Evagora. Andreas Evagora is international editor for tele.com. He can be reached over the Internet at [5]aevagora(a)mcgraw-hill.com. The year is 1962. At a White House conference, aides warn President John F. Kennedy that the newly emerging global phone network isn't really global at all. Kennedy is told that almost every intercontinental phone call is funneled through the United Kingdom or one of the other former colonial powers, and that those countries control the lion's share of international cables. Fearing that the United States will be powerless in the new telecom era, the Kennedy administration decides to create Intelsat, an international satellite system that would quickly end the domination of the old powers over the global telecom network. Fast forward to 1997. International service providers find that the newly emerging global Internet isn't really global at all. Reports tell them that more than half of intra-European and intra-Asian traffic is funneled through the United States. Once predictable traffic patterns are going haywire, rendering established technological and economic models irrelevant. Right now, there is no Intelsat on the horizon to save the day for telecom providers outside the United States. In fact, far from globalizing, all the signs are that Internet backbone infrastructure--and the traffic running on it--will become even more U.S.-centric over the next few years. This isn't just about U.S. domination: Non-U.S. service providers are contributing greatly to the imbalance by hatching plans to add new capacity to the States rather than to other countries in their region. Underpinning that trend is the concentration of content in America (more than eight of 10 Web sites are in English) and the continued high price, poor quality, and lack of easily available infrastructure outside the United States. The increased concentration of infrastructure and traffic into the United States not only works against the distributed philosophy of the Internet but also threatens to endanger the 'Net's international growth and overwork the U.S. backbone to the point of exhaustion. "The Internet today is a hub-and-spoke system, with the U.S. at the center of the entire world," says Neil Tagare, chairman of CTR Group Ltd. (Woodcliff Lake, N.J.), which plans to build a new global fiber cabling network linking 175 countries. "That's not right, technologically or politically." Already, service providers report that Internet links to the U.S. are straining to stand up to growing traffic volumes, while demand for other regional and intercontinental links remains tepid. Around the globe, U.S.-bound capacity is at a premium, with developing nations clinging onto the 'Net by a thread. If they are lucky, Russia's 150 million people will share 40 Mbit/s of international Internet capacity by next year. Today, India--a nation of 900 million--has just 10 Mbit/s of Internet capacity to the U.S.--about as much available on a LAN supporting a few dozen workers in the United States. "The lack of non-U.S. infrastructure is holding back real growth of the 'Net in many regions," says Petri Ojala, technical director of the Finnish Commercial Internet Exchange (Helsinki, Finland). "If a regional Internet community is short of capacity, it simply cannot develop as it wants. Less capacity means less content, less innovation." If Internet infrastructure continues to be concentrated in the United States, some fear that the whole non-U.S. high-tech sector will be in grave danger. Because the 'Net is becoming a critical tool for software development, a concentration of capacity in the States might lead to a concentration of innovation there as well. To be sure, it's difficult to see how India's enormous software development industry can prosper with 'Net access that is far inferior to that of competitors in the United States. A few 'Net watchers warn that failure to address the Internet imbalance could put some nations at a political disadvantage as well. "What if a new U.S. government wanted to leverage its control of the Internet for political ends?" asks one executive at a non-U.S. Internet service provider. "If it wanted to embargo Cuba, it could use its influence to control Internet communications there." But the outlook for regional backbones is less than bright. Such networks are all but absent in Asia-Pacific, Latin America, and Africa, while backbones in Europe, where the World Wide Web was invented, offer no more than 2 Mbit/s of bandwidth (see [6]"Un-American Activities"). Compare that with backbone construction in the United States, where today's typical 622-Mbit/s backbones are expected to double in capacity next year. Interregional Internet connections also are sorely lacking. Almost every byte of traffic between continents passes through the United States, hopping over at least two backbone links on the way. Concurrently, non-U.S. network access points (NAPs), where Internet service providers exchange traffic, are small in both number and processing capacity. "If you were to squint at a map of the global Internet infrastructure, all lines would roll into the U.S.," says Robert Hagens, director of Internet engineering at MCI. "That's not a good way to build a network." Service providers have never quite faced anything like this before. Exponential demand for traffic to the United States is soaring, but investing more in these routes doesn't add significantly to the bottom line (some phone companies that are also Internet providers offer free local calling--and therefore free local access--to the Internet but still need to add extra capacity), and it only increases the dependency on the U.S. backbone. "Carriers are in a chicken-and-egg situation," says Chris Champion, senior consultant at The Yankee Group Europe (Watford, U.K.). "They only want to invest where there is a lot of traffic, but there won't be enough traffic until they upgrade the backbones." EUNet International B.V. (Amsterdam), the European backbone operator, this month is increasing its U.S.-bound capacity by 34 Mbit/s, to 72 Mbit/s, to meet demand. But its intra-European backbone network, which comprises mainly 2-Mbit/s links, faces no capacity crunch. "We don't have any [intra-European] congestion problems whatsoever," says Wim Vink, the company's managing director. The problem is, the global Internet is running headlong into an international infrastructure regime that actually is causing congestion on intercontinental routes. Capacity planning and demand forecasts on these routes have been designed largely by monopolies around the predictable needs of a staid, 5 percent a year growth in traffic. Phone companies traditionally buy capacity on intercontintental cables 20 or 25 years ahead of time. That's not a strategy suited to the Internet; who knows what will happen when bandwidth-hungry voice and multimedia applications pile onto the 'Net, as they are expected to in coming years? Service providers already are feeling the tremors (see [7]"Borne in the U.S.A."). In the summer of last year, Internet traffic from Sweden to the United States was about half the volume of voice traffic between those two countries. By the end of 1996, data and voice traffic volumes on the Sweden- to-U.S. route were equal, and now data volume is double that of voice. Meanwhile, voice still accounts for the vast majority of traffic to neighboring Finland and Denmark. Traffic patterns between the world's two biggest economies also signal the changes that lie ahead. Kokusai Denshin Denwa Co. Ltd. (KDD, Tokyo), Japan's dominant international carrier, has 10 Mbit/s of Internet capacity to the United States and 15 Mbit/s to the rest of Asia. Yet the ratio of Internet traffic to the United States and to Asia is 8 to 1. "The situation is changing very quickly," says Hiroshi Kobayashi, the carrier's deputy director of Internet business. "Two years ago, the total ratio of traffic flow from the U.S. to Japan was 4 to 1. Now, it is only 2 to 1." That means Japan is sending proportionally more traffic to the United States--a traffic shift directly attributable to the growth of the Internet. In Australia, Telstra Corp. Ltd. (Melbourne) is dealing with a U.S./Asia Internet traffic ratio of about 6.5 to 1. "I can deal with the 1--it's the 6.5 that is the problem," jokes John Hibbard, managing director of international carrier business. Telstra now has 130 Mbit/s of Internet capacity to the United States, compared with 2 Mbit/s to the rest of Asia. Still, Hibbard says of the U.S. route, "We will see a big squeeze in 1998." As a measure of just how high demand for bandwidth to the United States has been driven, Hibbard notes that bids for the 1,000 or so 2-Mbit/s circuits on the new transpacific TPC-5 cable, due to come into service at the end of this year, were oversubscribed by nearly four times. "The Asia-Pacific region must reduce its dependency on the United States to ensure that the quality of service is not dependent on the U.S. link, which is frequently congested," Hibbard says. That overdependency is creating an economic as well as a technical fallout. Non-U.S. carriers are investing in extra capacity to the United States, without seeing returns on that investment in terms of extra revenues. As a result, many international carriers--Telstra included--complain that in paying the full cost of circuits to the States, they are effectively subsidizing the U.S. Internet community. They argue that U.S. service providers should pay for at least a portion of those circuits. In the traditional telephony world, international circuits are provided on a shared-cost basis, with each carrier meeting costs to a theoretical midpoint between two countries. Telstra and its supporters want such principles to be looked at--although not necessarily applied fully--in discussions about the Internet. This year, Telstra will lose US$10 million on providing Internet circuits to the United States. By 2000, the total spending on U.S.-bound Internet circuits from all non-U.S. service providers will reach US$2.5 billion, Hibbard notes. "We are providing resources for which we are not adequately compensated," he says. "At the same time, I am offering U.S. users access to Australian databases without getting a brass razoo." Hibbard explains that traffic from the United States to Australia gets a free ride, as U.S. service providers aren't contributing to the international connection. International service providers are lobbying U.S. regulators for compensation. "When people first started connecting to the Internet, that normally meant they were connecting to America, and as a result had to pay for the connection," says Michael Behringer, senior network engineer at Dante (Cambridge, U.K.), which operates the EuropaNet Internet backbone. Until recently almost all Internet content has resided in the United States, so it was fair for overseas providers to pay the bill for access to that content, Behringer reasons. But for Internet content to become truly global, payments should be more equitable, and non-U.S. service providers should not have to bear 100 percent of the payment burden, he says. A group of Asia-Pacific carriers, including KDD and Telstra, has already made a proposal to the U.S. Federal Communications Commission that such Internet circuit fees should at least be taken into consideration during discussions on accounting rates, the fees paid by one carrier to another for delivering an international telephone call. To give their argument on leased lines to the United States more ammunition, several Asian carriers recently agreed to share the cost of international leased circuits for Internet communications between their own countries. The matter has also been raised at meetings of the Group of Seven (G7) nations. But so far, U.S. officials have rejected the complaint, and international officials don't seem to hold out much hope of success. "The Americans are sympathetic, but I doubt if they'll do anything because they don't have to," Behringer says. Carriers that offer free local calls, such as Singapore Telecom Ltd. and Telstra, are the most eager for change as they recoup little or no revenue when users access local servers to tap the global Internet. They argue that the Internet needs to be put on a more commercial footing. In Singapore, 65 percent of all 'Net traffic passes through the United States. "Because of the high cost of international bandwidth, it actually would cost a user US$100 an hour to connect to the Internet with a 2-Mbit/s link if he was paying the real commercial rate to the U.S.," said Tan Boon Tiong, deputy director of network technology development at Singapore Telecom, speaking at the International Telecommunication Union's Asia Telecom conference in June. Service providers point to other factors holding back the globalization of Internet infrastructure, such as the high cost of maintenance, installation, and operation and a lack of human resources. But many independent Internet service providers say that old-line telecom operators are hardly covering themselves in glory as the 'Net spreads its tentacles. Independent service providers and builders of backbones say that high leased-line costs remain the single biggest factor holding back the expansion of regional backbones that could help keep more Internet communications away from the United States. Lack of competition and a scarcity of infrastructure, particularly cross-border links, continue to keep leased-line prices in Europe three to 10 times more expensive than equivalent lines in the United States. Service providers say that they must wait up to five months for a cross-border E3 (34-Mbit/s) line, where such service exists. Ironically, it's the traditional telcos, which set those high prices, that are gradually taking over the operation of pan-European Internet backbones. "European carriers are schizophrenic," concedes one official at an international carrier alliance. "They will cry about lack of liberalization in another country but do all they can to delay liberalization in their own market as long as possible. That's human nature." That human nature is only serving to encourage the flow of 'Net traffic and facilities to the United States. "Dante's backbone took 18 months to organize and two years to turn into a reality," Behringer says. "That delay was far too long and was mostly caused by arguing with telcos." It's not just high leased-line prices that anger independent ISPs. Deutsche Telekom, now Europe's largest ISP, still refuses to peer its network at Frankfurt's commercial NAP, where more than 25 independent German ISPs exchange traffic. Instead, Deutsche Telekom maintains a single peering deal with Deutsches Forschungsnetz (DFN), a scientific and academic network. That lack of domestic peering means that all communications between Deutsche Telekom and other German ISPs must be routed via the United States. "Peering via the U.S. affects Deutsche Telekom customers and our customers because of the delays on U.S. lines, which are normally saturated," says Thomas Bastian, senior technical director at CERFnet Germany Inc. (Frankfurt), the German unit of U.S. ISP TCG CERFnet (San Diego). In response, he says, all independent ISPs have announced that they will cancel any private peerings with DFN as of this coming January. "We are confident that things will change, but everything takes so long in Europe," Bastian says. "Our U.S. operation connects into NAPs at 155 Mbit/s, but here in Germany it's at 2 Mbit/s. It's very expensive just to set up a system, and those costs are inevitably passed on to users, which slows market development." Until more capacity is made available, there's not much chance that the global Internet's dependency on the United States will fade away. CTR Group's Tagare, a former executive at Nynex Network Systems (Bermuda) Ltd.--one of the founders of the FiberOptic Link Around the Globe (FLAG) project building a new global undersea cable--says that a lot of capacity remains warehoused to block competition. "Active capacity is no more than 50 to 60 percent of the bandwidth out there--the rest is warehoused," he says. "The people who need capacity desperately can't buy it because none is available, while those that have it can't use it because they don't have sufficient demand for it. That's an extremely inefficient model." WorldCom International Inc. (New York), another company planning to lay new international cabling, also places much of the blame for the current malaise at the door of incumbent telcos, in particular for failing to spot the tide of demand for data communications. WorldCom International says that voice today accounts for 80 percent of international traffic, but will make up only 20 percent by the early part of next decade. "Terabyte requirements will soon be upon us, but carriers got caught asleep making cozy, 4 percent growth demand forecasts," says Colin Williams, the company's international executive vice president. "Today, 90 percent of Internet traffic goes to the U.S., but we haven't yet scratched the surface of bandwidth requirements across the Atlantic." Translation: Don't expect a truly global Internet anytime soon. 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Netscape closes up 1 3/8 today!
by carolann＠censored.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Lookit that! 416 trades and 11 times there was more buying pressure than selling pressure.. The rumors of bug fix are outweighing the facts of the crack! I am totally amazed! But think company insiders are probably supporting the stock. Holding up better than ascii armor, it is. NSCP is currently trading at $54 3/4 Symbol : NSCP Exchange : NASDAQ Description : NETSCAPE COMMUNICATIONS CORP COM Last Traded at: 54 3/4 Date/Time : Sep 20 4:01 $ Change : 1 3/8 % Change : 2.576113 Bid : 54 3/4 Ask : 55 1/4 Volume : 310500 # of Trades : 416 Opening Price : 53 1/2 Last Shares : 8 Day Low : 53 1/4 Day High : 55 1/4 52 Week Low : 45 3/4 52 Week High: 74 3/4 -- Member Internet Society - Certified BETSI Programmer - Webmistress *********************************************************************** Carol Anne Braddock (cab8) carolann(a)censored.org 206.42.112.96 My Homepage The Cyberdoc *********************************************************************** ------------------ PGP.ZIP Part [017/713] ------------------- M8H,),S$8G>&.WP(8IRA`-M['+`Q%&_C"">5-F%LX@<_Q$;*P'',Q$Z/AA[8M MF=O0H+*%(-S%&>S%+FS&<LS%3(Q&#W1"<]2%`H^;,]^1C$'HBN8PX$4SYAU^ MPGD<Q0ZLA0D+,`MCT!LA**4M[-JPAK9F?40!AJ,CW"'%DR#:'9?Q)3[%<DQ` ------------------------------------------------------------- for next chunk to export --> http://dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/export/

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BXA Testimony at SAFE Hearing
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

See William Reinsch's testimony on the administration's encryption policy at the September 4 SAFE hearing: http://jya.com/bxa090497.htm Perhaps dissimulating, or not then clued to the draft GAK bill, Reinsch states: 1. Foreign crypto products are not as widely available as export control critics claim, and thus do not threaten US products. 2. The administration is against mandatory key escrow. 3. Finds the SAFE bill unhelpful but likes its crypto-criminalization provision and favors McCain-Kerrey's Secure Public Network Act bill or other legislation that will: Expressly confirm the freedom of domestic users to choose any type or strength of encryption. Explicitly state that participation in a key management infrastructure is voluntary . Set forth legal conditions for the release of recovery information to law enforcement officials pursuant to lawful authority and provide liability protection for key recovery agents who have properly released such information. Criminalize the misuse of keys and the use of encryption to further a crime. Offer, on a voluntary basis, firms that are in the business of providing public cryptography keys the opportunity to obtain government recognition, allowing them to market the trustworthiness implied by government approval. ---------- Leads to the testimony of NSA's Cowell and Justice's Litt would be appreciated. Representative Weldon remarked at length about encryption and defense matters on September 4, supporting the administration's policy: http://jya.com/weldon.txt (46K)

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French Navy Security Compromised (Current by Shallow)
by Joseph M. Reagle Jr. 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Heard that a very large break from computer 'hackers' has taken place in France's navy. Information regarding ship-identification was stolen. ------------------------- Regards, Joseph M. Reagle Jr. http://farnsworth.mit.edu/~reagle/home.html reagle(a)mit.edu 0C 69 D4 E8 F2 70 24 33 B4 5E 5E EC 35 E6 FB 88

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A helluva way to run a country, er, a world (fwd)
by ichudov＠Algebra.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Prof. Sternlight, do you admit that you were wrong? Please share your thoughts with cypherpunks(a)algebra.com Thank you. igor ----- Forwarded message from Tim May ----- >From owner-cypherpunks(a)Algebra.COM Sat Sep 6 12:06:52 1997 X-Sender: tcmay(a)mail.got.net Message-Id: <v03102809b03734c24855(a)[207.167.93.63]> In-Reply-To: <970906105358_284527778(a)emout18.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 09:41:38 -0700 To: cypherpunks(a)Algebra.COM From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> Subject: A helluva way to run a country, er, a world Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)algebra.com Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: cypherpunks(a)algebra.com X-List-Admin: ichudov(a)algebra.com X-Loop: cypherpunks(a)algebra.com At 7:54 AM -0700 9/6/97, Syniker(a)aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 97-09-06 07:15:18 EDT, vznuri(a)netcom.com (Vladimir Z. >Nuri) writes: > ><< maybe I'm not following closely enough, but I haven't seen a *single* > reference. that's really eerie. can't we get a *single* > senator to bring up that issue? >> > >me neither... it's fucking mind-boggling.... >and where's all the 'censorship' people???? >it's like -- no one can make the 'connection' .... >the CDA and FCA lists are dead ... not a word ... >how can we all have wet powder at the same time? I didn't see Detweiler's original message ('til just now), but I think this is wrong, the "I haven't seen a *single* reference" (to the constitutionality of mandatory key escrow). In some of the accounts of the Freeh-Feinstein-etc. colloquy, there were mentions that mandatory key escrow probably would be desirable, but probably not be possible. (I took this to mean they, including Freeh, recognized it would be unconstitutional). Of course, then the draft text of the GAK bill floated by the next day, and it of course contained no references to constitutionality (not surprisingly, as draft bills are not self-analyses). Despite my cynicism, I'd expect the courts to issue an immediate stay on enforcement on such a law, as happened with the CDA. With probably an expedited hearing before the Supreme Court. As so many have noted, it seems to be a slam dunk infringement on the right to speak freely and in whatever language one wishes. And some 4th and 5th and other involvements. It may be a stalking horse. A threat. Designed to force a compromise. "If you don't pass McCain-Kerrey, this is what you'll get." A helluva way to run a country, er, a world. But look on the bright side: the militias and other patriot groups are getting a huge bounce out of this. Stay far away from the nests of vipers. Jefferson's wisdom that we need a revolution every generation or so is apt...though it's been about 180 years too long. Now even those, like Sternlight, who claimed the government would never require key escrow, have to admit we were right all along. --Tim May There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws. Only one response to the key grabbers is warranted: "Death to Tyrants!" ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway." ----- End of forwarded message from Tim May ----- - Igor.

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by nea25＠sprintmail.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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netscpe will release code?
by sameer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I just spoke with a reporter from the sfchronicle who told me that when she talked to Netscape they said that they would be releasing parts of their source code to the net. -- sameer Voice: 510-601-9777 Community ConneXion FAX: 510-601-9734 An Internet Privacy Provider Dialin: 510-658-6376 http://www.c2.org (or login as "guest") sameer(a)c2.org

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Re: Puppet Masters
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sunday, September 07, 1997 - 03:16:32 MET > > i am getting a very bad feeling that maybe the level of inside/outside > > censorship of the press may be a good indicator, like the Doomsday > > Clock, of how close we are to the day when the Puppet Masters finally > > step out from behind their masks. > > Puppet Masters don't step out from behind thier masks. They have > someone else step out for them. > > ~kp -Creeping encrouchment-Puppet Masters Get Increasingly Bold- With each succeeding assault on the constitutional rights of citizens the gov't both tests and increases the public's willingness to give away those rights. As we sit idly by, parlor intellectualizing, anyone who really dares to organize, gets fried, on national tv for the trouble. Make a timeline from the first live at 5 fry of the 'bad guys' in the 70s, to the present and observe the circumstances surrounding each one. When they started this- judged on television, fried on television- brainwash, they at least tried to put on a semblence of justifiability,..ie SLA," kidnappers, bankrobbers,thugs disguised as mad dog radicals"..etc and went to great lenghts to see that the point was well propagandized to the 'people' and that the 'people' accordind to neilson or gallup or somebody, were in consensus and then 'puff'', charcoaled the constitution with human kindling before EVERYBODIES eyes. A few op ed pages later, with no real political or social fallout. They decide to do it again, and then do it again, upping the ante each time.. .the Order, Mt. Carmel, Weaver, etc ...By the time they do the Davidians, they offer specious reckless charges that were never substantiated and in fact were easily discredited and 85 people burned alive on national tv. people who were never charged with any crime-when federal goons attempted to serve a specious search warrant as if they were marching into lebenon. The militias of today are saying and doing what the Panthers advocated 25 yrs ago. Though each of these groups held to radically different ideologies, the common denomionator is they took a stand against an illegal abuse of local and federal power by organising into a community of interests that was prepared to defend it's right to do so against outside intrusion, and that is whatthe puppet masters would not tolerate. They aren't going to come jackbooting into our cities and towns. They are already there, shoving plungers up our ass when they don't like the way we look. They isolate any pocket of dissension (and to dare to organize into a community is to dissent) , whether it is black, white, christian, islamic or whatever,..can you say "cypherpunk".. and burn them out of existence, putting it on tv as an object lesson for the rest of us, The local police, the military, both houses, the administration and all the various goon squads are all pigs drinking from the same trough. The presidential elections are a tv show designed to give us the illusion of a democracy. Its no accident that the houses reconvene with the new tv season. It is all for mind control nothing else. Now I am no christian fundementalist, white supremicist, black power fanatic or anything else; just an average person trying to live my life simply and freely but the only way things will change is when we the 'coach potato sheeple' including intellectual armchair quarterbacks who think they are superior and above it all because they can run a few sentences together, docmartin, airjordan, dingo, nike and ourache our way into washington with some plungers of our own and enlighten the fucking white house the same way they enlighten us. Timothy McVeigh for President Committee-

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