December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

(fwd) Possible compromise of anon.penet.fi
by nzook＠math.utexas.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Path: math.utexas.edu!news.dell.com!tadpole.com!uunet!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!eff!news.kei.com!hermes.oc.com!convex!cnn.eng.convex.com!barnett From: barnett(a)convex.com (Paul Barnett) Newsgroups: alt.privacy Subject: Possible compromise of anon.penet.fi Date: 27 Jul 94 22:09:28 GMT Organization: CONVEX News Network, Engineering (cnn.eng), Richardson, Tx USA Lines: 29 Message-ID: <barnett.775346968(a)cnn.eng.convex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: zeppelin.convex.com Someone has been collecting email addresses, apparently from postings to Usenet, and forging them to anonymous postings through anon.penet.fi to alt.test. The text of the posting states the REAL email address of the poster, under a posting attributed to the anonymous ID assigned to that poster. I received a notification that an anonymous ID has allocated for me, followed by a confirmation of a posting to alt.test. Looking in alt.test, you will see as many as 500 similar postings. Most of the anonymous IDs are numbered sequentially. However, there are some lower numbered anonymous IDs, presumably in previous use by the addressee named in the text of the message. These anonymous addresses are now compromised. I am posting to this newsgroup because there appears to be some correlation between the contributers to this newsgroup and the addresses that were forged to the messages. It may be coincidental, but I thought this was a fair place to post a warning anyway. My condolences to those people that have been caught in this net. This is one of the most despicable forms of net.terrorism that I have encountered. -- Paul Barnett Convex Computer Corp. MPP OS Development Richardson, TX

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(fwd) WWII Enigma traffic
by Jim choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Newsgroups: sci.military Path: bga.com!news.sprintlink.net!sundog.tiac.net!usenet.elf.com!news2.near.net!MathWorks.Com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!uunet!ncrgw2.ncr.com!ncrhub2!ranger!military From: lharnisch(a)delphi.com Subject: WWII Enigma traffic Message-ID: <CtMKns.J91(a)ranger.daytonoh.ncr.com> Sender: military(a)ranger.daytonoh.ncr.com (Sci.military Login) Organization: Delphi (info(a)delphi.com email, 800-695-4005 voice) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 1994 00:43:04 GMT Approved: military(a)ranger.daytonoh.ncr.com Lines: 13 >From lharnisch(a)delphi.com Does someone know the location of archives (or preferably microfilm) containing undeciphered German Enigma traffic? It isn't important whether it was cracked by the Allies during the war... am simply seeking some original German traffic to test computer program.... I have already gone through messages in the journal Cryptologia...... Pls E-mail me if you know of some sources... Thanks.... Larry Harnisch

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RE: Questions about Microsoft and Software Key Escrow
by Blanc Weber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: Timothy C. May My forte here on the list, I like to think, has always been to have "extremely long-range radar" that can pick up trends far in advance. Black Unicorn once told he this was my main strength, and even everybody's second-favorite nemesis, David Sternlight said much the same thing in sci.crypt. Coming from Sternlight, high praise indeed. <misc. elided> By all means, give Microsoft the benefit of the doubt. But also insist that they explain their work on SKE, and repudiate it. ......................................................... I respect your ability to think clearly and with great foresight also, Tim, but I really cannot think that Microsoft would "sell out" on this issue. There are too many in the company who would are for privacy for the individual, and remember they have their customers to think about. If SKE would constitute a problem for the individual end-user, then I can't see how the company could implement it and expect to remain a leader in the business, with all the negative publicity it would generate (conceivably most of it from cypherpunks!). These are my thoughts based on what I know about attitudes around here that I am familiar with & certain of. As I said in another post, Microsoft is an expert at arriving at a "win-win" situation, but I don't believe this includes sacrificing some of our most cherished values, like personal privacy, in exchange for a little security. If I thought this was not true, *I* would not work here. I may sound naive; hope time does not prove me wrong. Blanc

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Patently Absurd?
by will＠thinkmedia.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I realize this may seem absurd, but for the sake of humor could there be any relationship between the Dept. of Justice near pardon of Microsoft on charges of Anti-trust and the potential adoption of a software encryption standard in Chicago with the blessing of NIST and some goverment agencies. Would it be ridiculous conspirancy theorizing to think that MS and Justice made a deal? I have nothing to back this up, just reading the news and cypherpunks. ______________________________________________________________________________ Opinion is a flitting thing, Thinking Media Research But Truth, outlasts the Sun-- will(a)thinkmedia.com If then we cannot own them both-- (408) 423 3720 Possess the oldest one-- Emily Dickinson

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RE: Questions about Microsoft and Software Key Escrow
by gtoal＠an-teallach.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

: I respect your ability to think clearly and with great foresight also, : Tim, but I really cannot think that Microsoft would "sell out" on this : issue. There are too many in the company who would are for privacy for : the individual, and remember they have their customers to think about. I think you're all forgetting something. Satellites. G

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I will Kill SKE for You
by nobody＠kaiwan.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

frissell(a)panix.com (Unverified) wrote: > "No racist - I support the permanent elimination of federal > income taxation for African Americans to compensate them for the > suffering of slavery." And if you find any ex-slaves alive in America, I'll support you on that. OTOH, at 130 years of age, I doubt that any of them are paying much in the way of taxes. But, maybe you're on to something here. Let's expand that to ANY AMERICAN whose ancestors suffered in any way. That would do away with the Federal Income Tax entirely. I LIKE THAT!!!

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What can one do for remail operators?
by Tommy the Tourist 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I am interested in doing something to support the remailer operators that put their necks on the line for us cypherpunks. I have noticed people like Detweiler (dunno who he is) who are basically awed by the fact that a remailer crashes when you send your VM swap file through it, or people using it to do "nanny-nanny-boo-boo, you can't catch me, so pween off" messages, et al. I would like to something in support of these people who are noble enough to keep things running even when EVERYONE it seems is out to get them. If I knew any around here, they would get a free beer, and if the operator of Soda's remailer or Julf was in my area, they would get the whole keg ;). ------------ To respond to the sender of this message, send mail to remailer(a)soda.berkeley.edu, starting your message with the following 8 lines: :: Response-Key: ideaclipper ====Encrypted-Sender-Begin==== MI@```%A_^P;+]AB?X=];G11ZU97K(ZZQ%(8AU>834+"Y)5E3KUBX2/<MQ>'( MBT+==!$N]6_?T:4C:5,Q,BAM)?]<+`\GIHV&$_?,,`(NIK"[)^,Y)\9:_QL[ #\H'B ====Encrypted-Sender-End====

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Re: Voice/Fax Checks
by frissell＠panix.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 04:43 AM 7/25/94 -0500, Jim Hart wrote: >Isn't this kind of like writing them a blank check? If I tell >them to make the check out for $20 and they make it out for >$100, how do I repudiate that? Not only that, how do I prevent >them from writing and cashing more checks by increasing the >sequence number? Nothing. Just like I can obtain your check info (by getting you to write me a check) and forging a physical check using DTP technology (Forbes cover story of several years ago). You can disavow the check though and demand a credit from your bank. If you don't complain, the transfer stands. If you do, you get your money back. I don't think they ever passed the Uniform Commercial Code proposal that would have made checks just like electronic payments where you are liable for $50 if you don't make a timely report of the problem. Traditionally, you *never* had to challange a check and you could get all of your money back if the bank paid a check on a "forged drawer's signature." DCF

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Re: LITTLE BROTHER INSIDE
by frissell＠panix.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:47 AM 7/27/94 +0000, wb8foz(a)nrk.com wrote: >contempt to release her. More recently, Supreme Court ruling defining >limits of civil contempt (UMW vs. JOHN L. BAGWELL) may have an effect on >this.) I know a guy in SF who won the Irish Sweepstakes and refused to repatriate his winnings. Did 2 years for tax evasion and two years for contempt (I think). Contempt was for his refusal to repatriate. Do you know what sort of restrictions the Supremes put on contempt jailings? I always figured that you should shower the judge and other judges in these cases with letters stating in great detail why you will never purge yourself of your contempt. Serves as evidence that holding you is useless and hence illegal punishment not a "legal" attempt to coerce you. DCF "But your honor, I'm desperately trying to *conceal* my contempt for this court!"

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No Subject
by nzook＠math.utexas.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

nomath 5 19% discrete 7 27% algebra1 4 15% algebra2 3 12% grad 3 12% orals 1 4% orala 2 8% research 1 4% total 26

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Just say NYET to censors
by nzook＠math.utexas.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Copyright 1994, Nathan Zook. All rights reserved. Intelectual copyrights pending. NYET-- Non-Youths Exhibit Temperance. Before I start, it may be informative to consider that I consider myself to be a hard-line member of the Christian Conservative movement, and a hard- line advocate of electronic privacy. I am a PhD candidate in mathematics at the University of Texas of Austin, and I got the Electronic Privacy language added to the 1994 Republican Party of Texas platform. I am a member of Trinty Evangelical Free Church, and am twenty-seven years old. As the Internet community continues to grow, the differences of conviction that exists generally in the world find their way into the community. Some demand that newcomers to the net adapt to the mores of this society. Some demand that the net, as a newcomer to the world, adapt to the outside. As recent events have demonstrated, the less reasonable, on both sides, may be endangering the integrity and availablity of the net. Calls for net censorship, it may be expected, will continue to grow unless the net can find some way to police itself. Yet "police itself" is a term that sends the net into fits. My solution, NYET, is for the appropriate users to directly censor the data that they might legitmately lay claim to censoring--data that flows to minors over which they have legal authority and responsibility. Specifically, this is a plan to create two sorts of accounts to the net-- adult and minor. Adult accounts may only be obtained by persons of age eighteen. Minor accounts may only be obtained as adjuncts to adult accounts, refered to as supervisor accounts. Adult accounts would have full access to anything on the net. News readers, telnet, ftp and like software being operated from a minor account would check a file in the adult account to allow access. Newsreaders, in particular, would censor any posts crossed from a non-allowed account. The control files in the supervisory accounts would default to allow-only mode, but could be selected to deny-only. The legal framework that I see important in aiding such a system is as follows: State Level: 1) Declare to hold harmless those BBS operators for charges of Contributing to the Delinquacy of a Minor that obtain and verify the age of account holders, and maintain a NYET system of access for minors. Certain acceptable verification methods specified, with authority to add methods delegated to a regulatory agency. Emphasis to be on ease and speed of verification. Special consideration for in-house systems. 2) Make it illegal to misrepresent age and name data to a BBS. Require BBS operators to maintain a record of age and name of account holders for thirty days after opening of account for hold harmless agreement, and allowing deletion of said data afterwards. 3) Declare aiding in tampering with NYET system to be "Contributing to the Delequency of a Minor". Federal Level: Pass paralell laws for BBSs operating with local numbers from two or more states, or for BBSs operating with 800 numbers. I believe that such a system would protect the full free expression currently enjoyed by the net, while reaffirming parental responsibility in the upbringing of their children. The burden of controlling access devolves all the way to the parents, making charges against BBS operators patently frivolous. Porno charges would then be MUCH more difficult to press, since a jury could be told that specific steps were being taken to prevent access to minors. If parents complained that they didn't want to go to the trouble of spelling out what their children could access, the response is clear: "Oh, so it's not worth the effort to you?" Despite slurs in this group to the contrary, I believe that the proposed us.* heirarchy may well be the first in a series of attempts to censor the net. Remember, we already have had a censor for TV, movies, and radio. It is not really a question of _if_ but _who_ and at _what level_ will this censoring take place. Nathan (Adjusting flame gear)

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RE: What can one do for remail operators?
by Philippe Nave 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> I am interested in doing something to support the remailer operators > that put their necks on the line for us cypherpunks. > > I have noticed people like Detweiler (dunno who he is) who are basically > awed by the fact that a remailer crashes when you send your VM swap > file through it, or people using it to do "nanny-nanny-boo-boo, you > can't catch me, so pween off" messages, et al. > > I would like to something in support of these people who are noble > enough to keep things running even when EVERYONE it seems is out > to get them. > > If I knew any around here, they would get a free beer, and if > the operator of Soda's remailer or Julf was in my area, they > would get the whole keg ;). > I think the single most important thing we could do for remailer operators would be to figure out how to make the remailers *truly* *anonymous*. That is, we need a net.hack of some sort that allows remailers to send their messages in a way that leaves no trace whatsoever of the original poster *and* leaves no trace of the remailer itself. Net.veterans will perhaps recall a thread I started a while back along these lines... this is a technical problem, and I have the utmost confidence that the skills to solve this problem are around here somewhere. If I may make a humble suggestion, I would suggest that this problem is more immediate and pressing than many of the issues currently being debated. Philippe

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Re: Just say NYET to censors
by Hal 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

nzook(a)math.utexas.edu writes: >Specifically, this is a plan to create two sorts of accounts to the net-- >adult and minor. Adult accounts may only be obtained by persons of age >eighteen. Minor accounts may only be obtained as adjuncts to adult >accounts, refered to as supervisor accounts. Adult accounts would have >full access to anything on the net. News readers, telnet, ftp and like >software being operated from a minor account would check a file in the >adult account to allow access. Newsreaders, in particular, would censor >any posts crossed from a non-allowed account. The control files in the >supervisory accounts would default to allow-only mode, but could be >selected to deny-only. As a parent, I can sympathize with the desire to shield our children from some of the raunchier material on the net. Many parts of the net are more "Animal House" than "Public Library", and you don't necessarily want a nine-year-old girl learning about sex from a.s.b. I think there are real problems with Nathan's proposal, though. Questionable material on the net is not tagged with an R rating. Newsgroup categories could be rated by the parent, but there is nothing to stop cross-posting. Trying to put ratings on each email message, news posting, web site, MUD (although some MUDs do have adult areas), IRC channel, etc., is just not practical. No censor has that much free time. Another problem is that even the "safe havens" where minors congregate may not stay as pure as we would like. Believe it or not, teenagers of below the age of 18 are actually interested in sex. In fact, many, perhaps even a majority, are not virgins. It's going to be necessary to censor the kids' posts more than any others if you want to keep them from talking about what they want to talk about. For a good example of these problems, see that paragon of censorship, Prodigy. My kids use Prodigy a lot. They are pre-teens and I don't worry too much about what they will see on this family-oriented service. Still, the "Teen" BBS on Prodigy gets a little steamy sometimes, even though each and every message is reviewed by a Prodigy censor before it can be posted (at least, that is how it worked at one time. They may have auto- mated filters now.). The "fashion" topic, for example, often degenerates into discussions of how the girls look in their hot lingerie. Basically, the kids are constantly pushing the limits. Since every parent has their own ideas of where these limits should be, Prodigy ends up with sort of a "least common denominator". I'd like to turn my kids loose on the Internet, let them surf the Web and the other resources available. They are very computer-aware and I know they would get a lot out of it. But the way the net is now I don't think it would be responsible parenting to just let them loose, at least not for a few years. So, as I said, I sympathize with Nathan's problem, but I don't think a good solution is at hand. For now I think private, family-oriented networks are a better place for young kids. Hal Finney

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RE: Questions about Microsoft and Software Key Escrow
by Blanc Weber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: Jacob Levy I respect your feelings on the matter and your ability to think clearly and with great foresight also :-), but for this list it would probably be much more useful if we got some _OFFICIAL_ answer from Microsoft instead of your "I believe, I cannot think, can't see", etc. etc. You're obviously a concerned individual but you equally obviously don't claim to speak for Microsoft. ................................................ Thanks, Jacob. I don't speak for Microsoft, but I can speak based on impressions I have accumulated from internal correspondence between employees and misc. company communications to employees. The company would suffer turmoil from within, if it were the case that privacy had been compromised. Programmers are just like you & me, right? Anyway, I personally can't see the very existence of a system of key escrow is an evil which should be apprehended and stopped. In concert with the idea of liberty & freedom to develop ideas and export crypto, I think the best offense is a good defense. I would oppose the idea that anyone should be stopped from developing creative ideas on the principle that it would be contrary to the existence of intelligence on the planet. I would oppose it if the government promoted it, and I would oppose it if any one else did, also. Blanc

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One more time... us.*
by L. Todd Masco 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[Very little c'punk content, just explaining why the us.* proposal is nothing like a movement towards censorship, but an attempt to resist it] First, you have to understand that nobody has any say over what newsgroups are created on a machine except for the news admin on that machine. Most news admins hand this authority over to Dave Lawrence, the current moderator of news.newgroups.announce, when they install their news software. However, *anybody* can decided to ignore anybody else's decisions on *any* newsgroup and issue a newgroups message (and someone else will usually issue an rmgroup message in response: it's an anarchy, and most of us like it that way). The us.* hierarchy "cabal" idea is *not* to determine what groups will get passed and what ones will not; In fact, the intent is to eliminate "no" votes, passing groups only on the basis of significant interest. If you know any USENET history, you'll know about fiascos like the soc.culture.tibet, soc.culture.macedonia, and soc.religion.islam.ahmadiya proposal -- cases where the newsgroups had a significant amount of interest, but were defeated due to large populations having some sort of grudge or religious/national interest in supressing a point of view. This part of the proposal will, in fact, reduce censorship, preventing organized campaigns from defeating newsgroups, effectively preventing people from discussing their subject on USENET (for the traditional definition of USENET that excludes alt.*). The other part of the proposal, the one which seems to have pushed people's "censorship" kneejerk buttons, is the concept of the "namespace cabal." Again, if you have any knowledge of USENET history, you'll know that there used to be a far stronger cabal than is proposed by the us.* idea: the backbone cabal controlled everything -- they were the news admins at the backbone sites and they had the last word. News admins at other sites listened to them because, well, they were the backbone cabal. They had the connectivity. When the set of newsgroups became too big for news admins to effectively manage them (and the connectivity model changed, there no longer being a real news backbone), a newer system for gaining consensus over newsgroup creation was created. Votes would be taken -- *NOT* on democratic principals or anything of that nature, but simply to gauge interest so that news admins would have some basis on which to approve group creation. Over time, the formula was tweaked in various ways when groups that people thought should never have passed (like the rec.acquaria, sci.acquaria, etc. groups) were created. Still, this is basically the system we have today. As I mentioned above, the current model allows large groups of people to squash newsgroups of interest to smaller (or even equal sized, since the current guidelines require 2/3 majority to pass) groups. THAT is censorship, the tyrany of the majority. There is also another thing that needs fixing. There is a problem with the current USENET namespace management strategy: it is damn near impossible to manage a namepsace by vote. In extreme cases, Dave Lawrence has simply refused to publish the newsgroup creation message, but nobody is very happy with this: it's too much like Dave is censoring the net, and it's wrong to stop the creation of a newsgroup on a subject simply because its proponent insists on a name noone likes. As a USENET volunteer votetaker, I have become embroiled in proposals for groups where a vast number of people wanted a newsgroup but had to wait months, sometimes missing the opportunity to discuss events important to them, because the newsgroup proponent was insisting upon a name that nobody agreed with or because no clear consensus (among users) appeared about the naming of the group. It is the namespace issue that the proposed "cabal" will cover. It's no different than the government refusing to take a vote on where every single book in a public library will end up on the shelves or where each document is stored. Namespace management is simply impossible to do by voting, especially when the "voters" have no understanding of the issues involved. We've squeeked by so far, but only barely -- and as the net grows, it become much more difficult to maintain the current voting scheme. That is why it is absurd to view the "namespace cabal" concept as an attempt to censor a democratic form. It isn't an attempt to censor (it is an attempt to stop censorship), and the current form isn't democratic. Please, before you try to argue this -- check out the facts about the proposal, the history behind it, and the real mechanisms in place before you spout off. -- L. Todd Masco | Bibliobytes books on computer, on any UNIX host with e-mail cactus(a)bb.com | "Information wants to be free, but authors want to be paid."

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RE: What can one do for remail operators? (fwd)
by David Merriman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > I think the single most important thing we could do for remailer operators > would be to figure out how to make the remailers *truly* *anonymous*. That > is, we need a net.hack of some sort that allows remailers to send their > messages in a way that leaves no trace whatsoever of the original poster > *and* leaves no trace of the remailer itself. > > Net.veterans will perhaps recall a thread I started a while back along > these lines... this is a technical problem, and I have the utmost > confidence that the skills to solve this problem are around here somewhere. > If I may make a humble suggestion, I would suggest that this problem is > more immediate and pressing than many of the issues currently being > debated. > One option might be for the remailer to forward messages giving a false ID/address - essentially, lying about who they are and where they live :-) That would seem to take care of the outbound traffic; how to deal with the inbound traffic is an exercise left for the reader ;-) Dave Merriman

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RE: Questions about Microsoft and Software Key Escrow
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Responding to msg by Jacob.Levy(a)Eng.Sun.COM (Jacob Levy) on Thu, 28 Jul 7:53 AM > >Blanc > >I respect your feelings on the matter and your ability >to think clearly and with great foresight also :-), >but for this list it would probably be much more >useful if we got some _OFFICIAL_ answer from Microsoft >instead of your "I believe, I cannot think, can't >see", etc. etc. You're obviously a concerned >individual but you equally obviously don't claim to >speak for Microsoft. > >--JYL Would it not be fair to ask that all the parties earlier listed by Tim -- Microsoft, Sun, Apple, IBM and others -- be asked for an official statement of their positions on SKE? Even so, will this produce credible statements? What if confidentiality or secrecy agreements are already in place? Disinformation needs cryptanalysis, no? John

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Re: DES Vulnerable, Why?
by koontzd＠lrcs.loral.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>My question: if triple-DES is so damn tough to break, what is wrong with DES? > Triple-DES is a trivial variation on DES. Brute Force Key Search ala' Weiner.

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Dallas Morning News article?
by Phil Karn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I've heard that an article appeared in the Dallas Morning News, apparently yesterday (wednesday) on the absurdity of crypto export controls. I understand that I was quoted in reference to my CJ requests for Bruce Schneier's book and floppy disk (which is not surprising since the writer interviewed me last week). Does anybody have a copy of this article? I have no easy way of getting a copy. Phil

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"Just say NYET to NYET"
by Brian D Williams 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I appreciate Nathan's openness and honesty about the inherent biases that affect his life. In numerous dealings with the religious right I've found that hard to come by. I also appreciate the fact that he is a strong believer in privacy, although privacy, in his view, seems to be something restricted to adults. Censorship is an attempt to apply Paternal/Maternal authority outside the family unit. A place IMHO it does not belong. I see the internet somewhat differently though, I see it as another world, that just happens to be accessable from our own, kind of like America was about 500 years ago. The only difference is that it was previously uninhabited. I like it the way it is! Now like the other world I occupy, here comes the religious right, who aren't content to live there own lives, there going to tell me how to live mine. (for my own good of course!) No way Dude....... I've fought your kind before, and knew it was only a matter of time before I'd have to fight you here. I for one am ready. I thought Hal Finney had an excellent suggestion, why not form your own private family values or whatever access provider, you could censor to your hearts content! That would save ya'll from having to move to Singapore or some other La-La land. Just another unwashed, uneducated, heathen, savage, heretic.... Brian Williams Extropian Cypherpatriot "Cryptocosmology: Sufficently advanced communication is indistinguishable from noise." --Steve Witham "Have you ever had your phones tapped by the government? YOU WILL and the company that'll bring it to you.... AT&T" --James Speth

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Remailers
by greg＠ideath.goldenbear.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Phillipe Nave writes: > I think the single most important thing we could do for remailer operators > would be to figure out how to make the remailers *truly* *anonymous*. That > is, we need a net.hack of some sort that allows remailers to send their > messages in a way that leaves no trace whatsoever of the original poster > *and* leaves no trace of the remailer itself. Er, if we knew how to do that, we wouldn't need remailers. :) What we do need are more remailers that aren't subject to political pressure or likely to be killed because someone writes to 'Postmaster'. Accordingly, I'm pleased to announce the deployment of my own remailer - 'remailer(a)ideath.goldenbear.com'. I can't say that the arrangement that gets me my news/mail feed is entirely without politics, but the sysadmin above me is, I believe, also pro-privacy and pro-remailer. The remailer is not intended for use for extortion, harassment, fraud, defamation, or spamming the net. There are no content filters installed but if I learn of use which involves the above I will take whatever steps I think necessary to eliminate non-acceptable uses. The software is Chael Hall's remailer system - PGP encrypted messages are not yet supported (unless there's a new version I don't know of). Sometimes I talk to my feed site with TCP/IP, sometimes with UUCP. This means that messages may get between 0 and 24 hours of delay; I know of no way to predict the length of the delay. Detweiler, you may not use my remailer nor any of my computer systems in any way at any time, under any name. If anyone's got his physical address I'd like to get it so that I may send him a copy of my "no permission" message, registered mail. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.5 iQCVAgUBLjfvI33YhjZY3fMNAQFoKwP+K7jUCa5vAhWIPcPz/nzpILi3AbfOZ5Lr 0H6KRJfpX8lvmmO8FNJlbXweQPLhm14It90vlwbuCJd9wfLgiRkZmPs99IgoX1CB iW4Wby+pdusExj+nNmyFA8zKKRTO4Eq5ahddqMtI7dBHmfZ/F/abjnmYXUmkarKe EdvZlqBCcIs= =+GnC -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Stealth ported to DOS & OS/2 part 2/2
by 7CF5048D＠nowhere 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Just say NYET to censors
by jamiel＠sybase.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 8:58 AM 07/28/94 +0800, Jacob Levy wrote: >Would you agree to: Nope, can't watch that XXX movie without first keying >in your ID? Not to mention watching that [insert your favorite nonmainstream politician] speech... I think the real issue here is that any form of censorship simply sucks (censorship here is content based filtering of ideas- I am not talking about people who choose not to devote thier resources to something- that is a related but different idea). The original poster is trumpeting censorship 'for the children.' Is anyone else sick of the Save The Kids excuses used to puch nasty legislation through (Polly Klaas starts rolling over...)? I firmly believe that if parentd don't want children seeing something it is the parent's responsibility to take control of what the children see. If they don't have the time/energy to be a responsible parent *as they define it*, then maybe they should have thought about that beofre they had a kid. In any case, someone else's desire to 'shield' thier child from some forms of expression has nothing to do with my expression thereof. >--JYL <Jamie steps down... and tries to think about stuff having more to do with crypto> -j -- "Blah Blah Blah" ___________________________________________________________________ Jamie Lawrence <jamiel(a)sybase.com>

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Re: Local Cypherpunks (?) group
by donald goldhamer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Is there any interest in establishing a local (Chicago area) equivalent of >the bay area Cypherpunks which meets in physical (as opposed to cyberspace ) >form. Topics to be addressed include issues of privacy, security, >cryptography and .... Since the Chicago chapter of CPSR (Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility) has decided to develop a project (public education, etc.) in the area of privacy (among others), it would seem to me to be more productive to work with them. Donald H. Goldhamer d-goldhamer(a)UChicago.EDU Academic Information Technologies 312-702-7166; fax: 312-702-3219 University of Chicago, Culver Hall 206, 1025 E 57th St, Chicago IL 60637

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Re: DES Vulnerable, Why?
by koontzd＠lrcs.loral.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Back in 1986-7 there was a major effort to have DES replaced with a >new encryption standard. I don't recall the name for the program, but >it had the support of several chip companies (Intel, AMD, etc.) and >was, I seem to recall, mentioned prominently in the National Computer >Security Act of 1987. The Commercial COMSEC Endorsement Program (CCEP). It had two phases, for type I (classified) and type II (unclassified). The first phase stalled rather badly, although eventually gives us STU-IIIs and KG-84 knockoffs. As late as 1987 NIST was predicting that the type II phase wouldn't arrive until 1990. The Clipper chips from Mykotronx were intended to be part of the type II effort (as can be seen from the original MYK-78 chip spec and marketing brochures from Mykotronx). The problem with the type I phase was the duration it took to go from product proposal approval to prototype completion was a minimum of 32 months. These delays are caused by manpower and support restrictions residing in the National Security Agency, partly due to bureaucrary. Theoretically these roadblocks aren't in place for the unclassified effort managed by NIST. We do see that FIPS PUB 140-1 was only issued this past January. One wonders in the type II effort has been stalled purely for bureaucratic reasons. Clipper/Capstone are actually part of the program.

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