Just say NYET to censors
Copyright 1994, Nathan Zook. All rights reserved. Intelectual copyrights pending. NYET-- Non-Youths Exhibit Temperance. Before I start, it may be informative to consider that I consider myself to be a hard-line member of the Christian Conservative movement, and a hard- line advocate of electronic privacy. I am a PhD candidate in mathematics at the University of Texas of Austin, and I got the Electronic Privacy language added to the 1994 Republican Party of Texas platform. I am a member of Trinty Evangelical Free Church, and am twenty-seven years old. As the Internet community continues to grow, the differences of conviction that exists generally in the world find their way into the community. Some demand that newcomers to the net adapt to the mores of this society. Some demand that the net, as a newcomer to the world, adapt to the outside. As recent events have demonstrated, the less reasonable, on both sides, may be endangering the integrity and availablity of the net. Calls for net censorship, it may be expected, will continue to grow unless the net can find some way to police itself. Yet "police itself" is a term that sends the net into fits. My solution, NYET, is for the appropriate users to directly censor the data that they might legitmately lay claim to censoring--data that flows to minors over which they have legal authority and responsibility. Specifically, this is a plan to create two sorts of accounts to the net-- adult and minor. Adult accounts may only be obtained by persons of age eighteen. Minor accounts may only be obtained as adjuncts to adult accounts, refered to as supervisor accounts. Adult accounts would have full access to anything on the net. News readers, telnet, ftp and like software being operated from a minor account would check a file in the adult account to allow access. Newsreaders, in particular, would censor any posts crossed from a non-allowed account. The control files in the supervisory accounts would default to allow-only mode, but could be selected to deny-only. The legal framework that I see important in aiding such a system is as follows: State Level: 1) Declare to hold harmless those BBS operators for charges of Contributing to the Delinquacy of a Minor that obtain and verify the age of account holders, and maintain a NYET system of access for minors. Certain acceptable verification methods specified, with authority to add methods delegated to a regulatory agency. Emphasis to be on ease and speed of verification. Special consideration for in-house systems. 2) Make it illegal to misrepresent age and name data to a BBS. Require BBS operators to maintain a record of age and name of account holders for thirty days after opening of account for hold harmless agreement, and allowing deletion of said data afterwards. 3) Declare aiding in tampering with NYET system to be "Contributing to the Delequency of a Minor". Federal Level: Pass paralell laws for BBSs operating with local numbers from two or more states, or for BBSs operating with 800 numbers. I believe that such a system would protect the full free expression currently enjoyed by the net, while reaffirming parental responsibility in the upbringing of their children. The burden of controlling access devolves all the way to the parents, making charges against BBS operators patently frivolous. Porno charges would then be MUCH more difficult to press, since a jury could be told that specific steps were being taken to prevent access to minors. If parents complained that they didn't want to go to the trouble of spelling out what their children could access, the response is clear: "Oh, so it's not worth the effort to you?" Despite slurs in this group to the contrary, I believe that the proposed us.* heirarchy may well be the first in a series of attempts to censor the net. Remember, we already have had a censor for TV, movies, and radio. It is not really a question of _if_ but _who_ and at _what level_ will this censoring take place. Nathan (Adjusting flame gear)
nzook@math.utexas.edu writes:
NYET-- Non-Youths Exhibit Temperance. [...] As the Internet community continues to grow, the differences of conviction that exists generally in the world find their way into the community. Some demand that newcomers to the net adapt to the mores of this society. Some demand that the net, as a newcomer to the world, adapt to the outside. As recent events have demonstrated, the less reasonable, on both sides, may be endangering the integrity and availablity of the net. Calls for net censorship, it may be expected, will continue to grow unless the net can find some way to police itself. Yet "police itself" is a term that sends the net into fits. My solution, NYET, is for the appropriate users to directly censor the data that they might legitmately lay claim to censoring--data that flows to minors over which they have legal authority and responsibility.
[ proposed laws to prevent minors from accessing questionable material deleted ] Your basic idea is excellent, so excellent in fact that you could probably make some money by providing the service. As a parent of a soon-to-be netsurfer, I would be willing to pay more for an account that gave me some control over my daughter's access than I would for a standard netcom style account. Let me know when such accounts are available. In the meantime, there is no need for force. The immediate reaction of "there ought to be a law" is a direct contradiction to the net "policing itself". Regards, Patrick May ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "A contract programmer is always intense." pjm@gasco.com
Gee, what about POTS? Oh well, I guess we'd better make sure that you can't dial the phone without first entering your personal ID code; otherwise, Junior might be able to dial up 1-900-BMY-SLUT. And cable TV? Nope, can't switch on that cable box without first keying in your ID. Hmm... NYET to censorship? Ok: No thanks, NYET (or maybe, niet, spasebo, NYET). [ You're not serious, right? ] | GOOD TIME FOR MOVIE - GOING ||| Mike McNally <m5@tivoli.com> | | TAKE TWA TO CAIRO. ||| Tivoli Systems, Austin, TX: | | (actual fortune cookie) ||| "Like A Little Bit of Semi-Heaven" |
Jacob.Levy@Eng.Sun.COM (Jacob Levy) writes:
Mike McNally writes:
And cable TV? Nope, can't switch on that cable box without first keying in your ID.
Would you agree to: Nope, can't watch that XXX movie without first keying in your ID?
teach your 12 year old how to hack. josh
Mike McNally writes:
And cable TV? Nope, can't switch on that cable box without first keying in your ID.
Would you agree to: Nope, can't watch that XXX movie without first keying in your ID?
Of course! All decent Americans understand the need to monitor who watches this filthy smut. I was meeting last week with Secretary of Decency Falwell and the President. Dan proposed that we extend the National ID Number to a range of other services, including books and magazines. After Jerry, Dan, and I watched that filthy "Debbie Does Fort Meade" again, we were all very excited about stopping this trash. --Klaus! von Future Prime Time (P.S. If a family wants Junior to have no access to the Playboy Channel, they can damn well buy one of those parental lock-outs. Or whip him good for accessing the channel when they told him "nyet." Or whip her good (and hopefully get it on tape!) if she tunes into Oprah to hear about teens who married their transexual gym teachers. I don't want any stinking government type telling me I have to have an ID number! I'm sure Nathan Zooks is sincere, but, gadzooks, this reminds me of why the Republican Party is as much a threat to libery as the Clinton Gang is.) --Tim -- .......................................................................... Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power: 2^859433 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available. "National borders are just speed bumps on the information superhighway."
I was meeting last week with Secretary of Decency Falwell and the President. Dan proposed that we extend the National ID Number to a range of other services, including books and magazines. After Jerry, Dan, and I watched that filthy "Debbie Does Fort Meade" again, we were all very excited about stopping this trash.
Of course, you would be allowed unrestricted access to such "trash". For purposes of monitoring compliance, of course ;) I hear the ex-director of the Texas American Family Association has the most extensive collection of porno flicks and mags around. -- Ed Carp, N7EKG/VE3 ecarp@netcom.com, Ed.Carp@linux.org "What's the sense of trying hard to find your dreams without someone to share it with, tell me, what does it mean?" -- Whitney Houston, "Run To You"
Jacob Levy writes:
And cable TV? Nope, can't switch on that cable box without first keying in your ID.
Would you agree to: Nope, can't watch that XXX movie without first keying in your ID?
No! Who's going to keep track of all these ID's? Who'se going to get access to the database? Who's to stop "them" from changing their minds one day and making it such that I need to key in my ID to watch broadcasts from political fringe groups? Sorry. I realize that in some sense things today on cable hover in the balance; my interest in this group stems from a desire to see the Great Global Net of the future be one based on the premise that anonymity has great value. | GOOD TIME FOR MOVIE - GOING ||| Mike McNally <m5@tivoli.com> | | TAKE TWA TO CAIRO. ||| Tivoli Systems, Austin, TX: | | (actual fortune cookie) ||| "Like A Little Bit of Semi-Heaven" |
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