December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: DES w/ variable S-boxes
by Matthew Ghio 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Ben.Goren(a)asu.edu wrote: | However, as Bruce Schneier points out (p. 242), *variable* S-boxes make | | differential cryptanalysis impossilbe, as such an adaptive plaintext attack | | relies on knowledge of the composition of the S-boxes. If the boxes and | | their contents change with both keys used and plaintext--probably with the | | help of a strong RNG--then the only way such an attack could work would be | | by first figuring out what causes the changes in the S-boxes; in that case, | | the attack is probably already finished, by other means. Perhaps, even, the | | S-boxes could change with so many chunks of text--again, variable, of | | course. | You should take a look at Michael Paul Johnson's Diamond Encryption Algorithm. It uses variable S-boxes as you describe. Source code and documentation is availiable on ftp csn.org. /pub/mpj/...

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You know you're getting old when...
by Bill Garland 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

When a cypherpunk posts this: >> It does my heart good to hear someone use the term 'grok' -- I don't >> hear many folks use that term very much anymore. ,-) >> >> - paul >What does it mean? Then I guess redundancy takes on a new meaning. Bill Garland, whose .sig is whose .sig is

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C'punks mail database
by sglass＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Operating System: SunOS 4.1.3 Site: netcom X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 798 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- C'punks, I've used lynx to connect to PMIP to see the c'punx list like: lynx http://pmip.maricopa.edu/crypt/cypherpunks I connect okay, but get the message that the requested URL isn't on the server if I want to see anything but the Parent Directory selection. Maybe this is an "under construction" effect? Sheldon - -- sheldon glass | Plauger's Dogma sglass(a)netcom.com | No program may leave its sanity #include <std.disclaimer> | at the mercy of its input. finger for PGP -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a iQBVAgUBLf+PA7GlKhzDiFoxAQHhyQH/bKgtyhhfWHKjXiJNpcY+9KSBnKooQsYf t3vlKY+UdaaWzducsorPp2tTTQ0Eum/OxHDnXejGC3phHNur1oN9Zw== =G/Th -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Encrypted databases
by Ben.Goren＠asu.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In _Applied Cryptography,_ Bruce Schneier describes a method of encrypting a database in such a way that it's easy to get individual entries but "impossible" to get the whole database. Basically, the first field is a hash of the individual's last name, the second is encrypted (symmentrical algorithm) w/ that name and contains the rest of the info. Are there any readily available implementations of this or anything equivalent? I've a use for such, but I'm not likely to have the time to start writing anything like that for a month or two. Thanks, b& -- Ben.Goren(a)asu.edu, Arizona State University School of Music net.proselytizing (write for info): Protect your privacy; oppose Clipper. Voice concern over proposed Internet pricing schemes. Stamp out spamming. Finger ben(a)tux.music.asu.edu for PGP 2.3a public key.

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DES w/ variable S-boxes
by Ben.Goren＠asu.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Are there any implementations of DES-variants that use variable S-boxes? I've not seen any, and it seems to me that such an algorithm could be quite strong, considering the continuing strength of DES (i.e., only the rich or large gov'ts are likely to be able to break it today, and only by brute force). If not, is there likely to be enough demand that I should start coding? b& -- Ben.Goren(a)asu.edu, Arizona State University School of Music net.proselytizing (write for info): Protect your privacy; oppose Clipper. Voice concern over proposed Internet pricing schemes. Stamp out spamming. Finger ben(a)tux.music.asu.edu for PGP 2.3a public key.

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Jus Curious
by nobody＠shell.portal.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Pardon me-- So ViaCrypt sells PGP for $98.00 big ones huh, how much of that does Philip get??

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Re: Cypherpunks' mail database does exist (fwd)
by Ben.Goren＠asu.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Actually, this has nothing to do with the mail database or RAH. Just wanted to let you know that your .sig made me smile. b& -- Ben.Goren(a)asu.edu, Arizona State University School of Music net.proselytizing (write for info): Protect your privacy; oppose Clipper. Voice concern over proposed Internet pricing schemes. Stamp out spamming. Finger ben(a)tux.music.asu.edu for PGP 2.3a public key.

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Remailer reorder and delay
by ghio＠cmu.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I added a reorder and delay feature to my remailer <ghio(a)kaiwan.com> Here's how to use it. Add a header Latent-Time: with the time (in HH:MM:SS format). You must 24 hour time, no AM/PM accepted. The seconds are optional and may be omitted. Example: > To: ghio(a)kaiwan.com > Subject: Anonymous Mail > From: punk(a)crypto.com > > :: > Anon-To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Latent-Time: 00:00:00 > > This message will be sent to cypherpunks at midnite pacific daylight time. You can also have it delayed a certain amount of time. To do this, put a plus before the time. Example: > To: ghio(a)kaiwan.com > Subject: Anonymous Mail > From: me(a)my.domain.com > > :: > Anon-To: recipient@site > Latent-Time: +01:30 > > This message will be delivered one hour and thirty minutes after it is > received by ghio(a)kaiwan.com. Random reordering is possible by adding r to the time. > To: ghio(a)kaiwan.com > Subject: Hello tentacle > From: detweiler(a)tmp.com > > :: > Anon-To: medusa(a)pseudospoof.com > Latent-Time: 18:00:00r > > This message will be delivered at random, but no later than 6 PM pacific > standard time. > To: ghio(a)kaiwan.com > Subject: Exterminate PGP > From: sternlight(a)netcom.com > > :: > Anon-To: alt.security.pgp(a)nic.funet.fi > Latent-Time: +04:00:00r > > This meaningless drivel will be delivered at random, sometime within the > next four hours. The longest delay time possible is 24 hours. Don't expect on the minute delivery - there are many things beyond my control which can delay mail. "Anon-To" and "Latent-Time" do not need to go in the body of the message; they may be placed in the headers if your mailer supports it. Let me know if you have any questions or problems.

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WWW Acronyms (was Re: Cypherpunks' mail database does exist)
by Vincent.Cate＠FURMINT.NECTAR.CS.CMU.EDU 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Gary Jeffers: > Vincent, you state that a fully archived, indexed cypherpunks >mailing list exists as: >http://pmip.maricopa.edu/crypt/cypherpunks/cypherpunks.src >Ok, so I ftp'ed to pmip.maricopa.edu & tried to get to cypherpunks.src, >but even the subdirectories weren't there. The "http" is for "Hyper-Text Transport Protocol". This is not FTP, though it is a protocol similar in function to FTP. It is used by "WWW" (World Wide Web) of which Mosaic is the most popular implementation. If you have Mosaic, you can just give the above path. If you do not have mosaic, you should spend some time trying to get it. Mosaic makes it really easy to quickly move through lots of information on the net. Mosaic is a point and click hypertext interface. You can FTP to ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu and go into Mosaic. You also have a typo, it is "Cypherpunks.src" with a capital C. WWW has a simple language for writting your own hypertext documents - "HTML" (Hyper Text Markup Language). You can think of this as sort of like Troff, LaTeX or Postscript, but for hypertext documents. One page of HTML can make dozens of normal files easy to access. For example, my README.html security page points to many normal files: ftp://furmint.nectar.cs.cmu.edu/security/README.html It turns out that the mail database is really in "WAIS" (Wide Area Information Server). You can use WAIS directly, though I think it is easier to use through mosaic. To use WAIS you would do: ws -h pmip.maricopa.edu -d cpindex/Cypherpunks <keyword> The "ws" may be "waissearch" on your system. You can get lots of info on WAIS from ftp://wais.think.com/comp.infosystems.wais-FAQ As someone pointed out, this "http" method does not yet work with "lynx" (a text only implementation of WWW) on the cypherpunks mail database. It seems it will take a new version of lynx or WAIS for this to work. But the Unix "xmosaic" works fine. :-) This form of global filename starting with something like "ftp://", "http://", "gopher://" etc is also part of the WWW architecture. These names are called "URLs" for Universal Resource Locator. Well, that is probably enough acronyms for today. :-) -- Vince PS I only read cypherpunks once a day, some time after midnight when my collection for the day is done.

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remail@c2.org key
by sameer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The previous posting of the remail(a)c2.org key was wrong. -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6 mQCNAi3/6FIAAAEEANggWtLprhvPDAdv503F5vChmF5jadD16dBke2yuP5iJwt0i X0eJC7dFoimNp03Cm7pkn5SkGr3i3hjtKLQGtneKNfdp29ELisOc9wMLiBMP46q3 Sr/9RseAt5Nnt4fW2Efi6xO8QLiMVG837gd5pEpXOqJ2FMCikEMvwOz0/VotAAUR tCtUaGUgTkVYVVMtQmVya2VsZXkgUmVtYWlsZXIgPHJlbWFpbEBjMi5vcmc+iQCV AgUQLf/owHi7eNFdXppdAQEctAP/aK+rTQxs5J8ev1ZtnYpGZPIEezQeC8z8kRdN jUKF7CutVLy09izYDSdonuHFyWoHtLb1RUj5fGUFhOzwmJTMlTRzEx8i2a1bKdmQ qPGNu2iVKIitkSSVZvz7vHXM+ZUFTSC4LGWsECukEONEeyGy+ehG3ON0vx1ATqY5 /ATzPpo= =N0yt -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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Niemoeller and remailer chaining
by rishab＠dxm.ernet.in 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From: Ezekial Palmer <vikram!an60011(a)anon.penet.fi> > Reply-To: Ezekial Palmer <vikram!na60011(a)anon.penet.fi> > > ----Father Niemoeller > > So, why'd you "forget" the start of the quote?? > > Zeke > > In Germany they first came for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I > wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because > I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up Actually I didn't have a written reference, so I really _did_ forget the first line. Though I think the quote is a appropriate for all of us, particularly in this forum, I'll probably excise it from my .sig. I find other people's 20 line sigs irritating, so... PS. Why do you remail through extropia when you advertise your penet ID? Isn't the advantage of chaining that only the final remailer is known? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rishab Aiyer Ghosh First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out, for I was not one They came for the Jews, and I was silent because I was not a Jew; rishab(a)dxm.ernet.in They came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not protest, because I did not Voice/Fax/Data +91 11 6853410 belong to a trade union; Voicemail +91 11 3760335 They came for the Catholics, and I said nothing because I was not a Catholic; H 34C Saket And then they came for me. New Delhi There was no one left to say anything... INDIA ----Father Niemoeller

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Deja vu...
by rishab＠dxm.ernet.in 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 09:53:36 +0500 > From: vikram!bchappe%sunoco(a)relay.nswc.navy.mil (Brett Chappell) > >In the June 6 issue of the New Yorker is an interesting story by > >John Seabrook (who did the email interview with Bill Gates) about > >getting flamed and how violated and uspset it made him. Lots of not > > [Waco in cyberspace etc] Deja vu, anyone? Maybe Brett didn't see this and the long thread that followed it on this list. Maybe whoever it was who posted a second copy of the latest EFFector hadn't caught it the first time. Since I, and probably most of us, subscribe to EFFector, this was the _third_ copy that appeared in two days. This sort of thing keeps happening. Now I'm not complaining ;) and would be the last to want some centralized distribution of such material. But since Stanton posts everything from the EFF anyway, why don't we leave it to him? Ideally we'd have one poster for each of these publications (EFF, CPSR, WIRED...) Another thing: when I archive posts or forward them elsewhere, I keep the Subject, From, To, Cc, and Date lines in the header intact. That way, when a cpunk post migrates to alt.abuse.recovery, no one will repost it here. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rishab Aiyer Ghosh First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out, for I was not one They came for the Jews, and I was silent because I was not a Jew; rishab(a)dxm.ernet.in They came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not protest, because I did not Voice/Fax/Data +91 11 6853410 belong to a trade union; Voicemail +91 11 3760335 They came for the Catholics, and I said nothing because I was not a Catholic; H 34C Saket And then they came for me. New Delhi There was no one left to say anything... INDIA ----Father Niemoeller

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NIST DES source
by rishab＠dxm.ernet.in 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

jim(a)bilbo.suite.com (Jim Miller): > I wonder if [NIST will] ship [hard copies of DES source code] to an address > outside of the US or Canada? I wonder if the people who package and mail > the stuff even look at it? Doesn't really matter, does it? Printed source code is available in hundreds of places, and doesn't require a CJR for export. Schneier's _book_ never had trouble; just the disk. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rishab Aiyer Ghosh First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out, for I was not one They came for the Jews, and I was silent because I was not a Jew; rishab(a)dxm.ernet.in They came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not protest, because I did not Voice/Fax/Data +91 11 6853410 belong to a trade union; Voicemail +91 11 3760335 They came for the Catholics, and I said nothing because I was not a Catholic; H 34C Saket And then they came for me. New Delhi There was no one left to say anything... INDIA ----Father Niemoeller

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Re: NYT Article about Clipper (fwd)
by tabe＠newsdesk.hacktic.nl 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

kafka(a)desert.hacktic.nl (3133+ |>00|>) writes: > >- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: 2.3a > >iQCVAgUBLe4igxVg/9j67wWxAQGV3AP7BYrXK/G1YKwwCwzgjSsMDXaDiG6s8oY9 >jCKKOGNKNX5X5EhpuzrdNDOEEjGTEvQEONZR9scc77Fx1ZSaR629QlykRIzAY3WA >hd1mbgYcfwznY/oAPgoLkTWamMSpuyYK1fIPU/RMVh4RQypfcbUzcZDf42Ho25tI >WL1l1isAFio= >=aID9 >- -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > >== kafka(a)desert.hacktic.nl: Cryptoanarchy, MDMA, Tekkkno, SL-1200 == > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: 2.5 > >iQBVAgUBLe/1fpRymF15lPcFAQHLrwIAmu78WNJkjMfRgxECOtkcU+AhpU3wpSI/ >mkfarK1DtOBbdw9P6y3VkuO8HmIcYhU6NBVxLCVRNnS7GKH5gf3uVQ== >=k7c1 >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Very interesting (again

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Cypherpunks on WWW
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

V.> V.>As someone pointed out, this "http" method does not yet work with V.>"lynx" (a text only implementation of WWW) on the cypherpunks mail V.>database. It seems it will take a new version of lynx or WAIS for V.>this V.>to work. But the Unix "xmosaic" works fine. :-) V.> I've been trying to get this to work for weeks with Mosaic for Windows (the latest Alpha version). I don't get it to display as an .html document. I see it as an ordinary text file just like I used to with Lynx. I wonder why? DCF --- WinQwk 2.0b#1165

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Another dumb question... proving dates
by dfloyd＠runner.utsa.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I could not find this anywhere, so I will torture you all again... In the RSA FAQ, it states how one can set up a server to do time and date stamping of documents, but I know of no Internet service that will do this. Is there a way I can send a document to some agency/server and have it time and date stamped with their public key? Thanks in advance,

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Larry King show
by bchappe%sunoco＠relay.nswc.navy.mil 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Did anybody see the Larry King Live show last night (6/15)? He had Al Gore & others on, talking about the nations future information infrastructure. There were a few words about the Clipper. Gore said something like, "There are people out there who think that it's o.k. to do away with the FBI's ability to tap the communications of terrorists & drug lords." He went on to describe a future scenario where a terrorist group is able to detonate a nuclear device in an urban area because they can have secure communications. The show was pretty one-sided. Brett

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Maricopa archive is WAIS indexed
by rishab＠dxm.ernet.in 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

whitaker(a)dpair.csd.sgi.com (Russell Whitaker): > On Jun 15, 2:51pm, Gary Jeffers wrote: > > Subject: Cypherpunks' mail database does exist > > Vincent, you state that a fully archived, indexed cypherpunks > > mailing list exists as: > > http://pmip.maricopa.edu/crypt/cypherpunks/cypherpunks.src As Russell says, this is a web site. Actually, it isn't. The archive is not a web, in that it isn't the ideal hypertexted dream we all have. But it does have an extensive index, through wais. If you want to search for something in particular, you can try (with a URL browser, like lynx/mosaic) wais://pmipii.dist.maricopa.edu:210/crypt/Cypherpunks.src?remailer I forget the path, it'll show up when you try the http; the ? after the filename is followed by a wais search string, such as 'remailer'. You should be able to use a wais client to access this. I don't know how _old_ the archive is... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rishab Aiyer Ghosh "Clean the air! clean the sky! wash the wind! rishab(a)dxm.ernet.in take stone from stone and wash them..." Voice/Fax/Data +91 11 6853410 Voicemail +91 11 3760335 H 34C Saket, New Delhi 110017, INDIA

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Where to ftp fips181.txt
by rishab＠dxm.ernet.in 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Mikolaj Habryn <dichro(a)tartarus.uwa.edu.au>: Subject: Re: [ANSWER] NIST's ftp site > Also, apparently, source for DES was in Appendix A of the file > "/pub/nistpubs/fips181.txt". However, it was removed and replaced with > the following: > > Did anyone actually grab it while it was around? If it's still > available anywhere, i'd appreciate a tip-off... ftp.eff.org/pub/EFF/Policy/Crypto/Newin/New_nist/fips181.txt I haven't seen it but it's a 127k file dated March 6th. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rishab Aiyer Ghosh "Clean the air! clean the sky! wash the wind! rishab(a)dxm.ernet.in take stone from stone and wash them..." Voice/Fax/Data +91 11 6853410 Voicemail +91 11 3760335 H 34C Saket, New Delhi 110017, INDIA

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Re: Cpunks mail database
by rishab＠dxm.ernet.in 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

sglass(a)netcom.com (Sheldon Glass): > Subject: C'punks mail database > I've used lynx to connect to PMIP to see the c'punx list like: > lynx http://pmip.maricopa.edu/crypt/cypherpunks Thats /crypt/cypherpunks/Cypherpunks.src, and it's a WAIS searchable archive, with what appears to be a huge index. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rishab Aiyer Ghosh "Clean the air! clean the sky! wash the wind! rishab(a)dxm.ernet.in take stone from stone and wash them..." Voice/Fax/Data +91 11 6853410 Voicemail +91 11 3760335 H 34C Saket, New Delhi 110017, INDIA

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Re: Larry King show
by tim werner 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 10:24:33 +0500 >From: bchappe%sunoco(a)relay.nswc.navy.mil (Brett Chappell) > >Gore said something like, "There are people out there who think >that it's o.k. to do away with the FBI's ability to tap the >communications of terrorists & drug lords." ~~~~~ They must be moving up. They used to be just king-pins. tw

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nsa museum
by Dan Harmon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It seems that NSA now has a museum outside DC. It even has an Enigma on display. For more info seem today's Wall Street Journal. Dan Harmon

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Re: [ANSWER] NIST's ftp site
by jim＠bilbo.suite.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> I have a copy of FIPS181 with Appendix A intact. I can mail a copy if > you like. > > Why bother just find it on another site, there are plenty out there. > The point of my NIST ftp site question was not to find a place to get DES source, I know I can get DES source in lots of places. I was just trying to find out if the NIST site still had FIPS-181 with DES code. Its presence on a internationally accessible *US government* site would be an embarrassment to the anti-export camp. > > I wonder if [NIST will] ship [hard copies of DES source > > code] to an address outside of the US or Canada? I wonder if > > the people who package and mail the stuff even look at it? > > > > Doesn't really matter, does it? Printed source code is > available in hundreds of places, and doesn't require a > CJR for export. Schneier's _book_ never had trouble; > just the disk. > I know, but I thought it would be kind of ironic if anyone could get DES source directly from the federal government. Jim_Miller(a)suite.com

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Re: Time Stamp Server (Was: Re: Another dumb question... proving dates)
by dfloyd＠runner.utsa.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From grendel(a)netaxs.com Thu Jun 16 10:40 CDT 1994 > Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 11:38:55 -0400 (EDT) > From: Michael Handler <grendel(a)netaxs.com> > Subject: Time Stamp Server (Was: Re: Another dumb question... proving dates) > To: "Douglas R. Floyd" <dfloyd(a)runner.utsa.edu> > Cc: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Mime-Version: 1.0 > > On Thu, 16 Jun 1994, Douglas R. Floyd wrote: > > > In the RSA FAQ, it states how one can set up a server to do time and date > > stamping of documents, but I know of no Internet service that will > > do this. > > > > Is there a way I can send a document to some agency/server and have it > > time and date stamped with their public key? > > This appeared on alt.security.pgp a while ago. The server works > quite nicely... Getting the key for the timestamp server is left as an > exercise for the reader. ;) > > ----- BEGIN INCLUDED FILE: /usr/users/grendel/timestam.ser ----- [Burp-o-rama] > ----- END INCLUDED FILE ----- > > -- > Michael Brandt Handler <grendel(a)netaxs.com> > Philadelphia, PA PGP v2.6 public key on request > Thanks for this... I could not find any information on a time stamper site. BTW: Would a timestamp like this stand up in US court assuming that the lawyers were equal in their BS ratios? (Kinda-smiley for the humor impaired ;)

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Re: DES w/ variable S-boxes
by Ben.Goren＠asu.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:32 PM 6/15/94 -0400, Rick Busdiecker wrote: > Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 17:32:24 -0700 > From: Ben.Goren(a)asu.edu > > Are there any implementations of DES-variants that use variable S-boxes? > >Well, if you don't use the DES S-boxes then it isn't DES :-) Well...yeah.... >Variable boxes tend to weaken DES. The DES S-boxes were chosen to >make differential cryptanalysis difficult. Random S-boxes don't tend >to have this desirable property. Perhaps I should clarify: not DES with randomly-chosen fixed S-boxes; I'm well aware that those that DES uses are the best for differential cryptanalysis. However, as Bruce Schneier points out (p. 242), *variable* S-boxes make differential cryptanalysis impossilbe, as such an adaptive plaintext attack relies on knowledge of the composition of the S-boxes. If the boxes and their contents change with both keys used and plaintext--probably with the help of a strong RNG--then the only way such an attack could work would be by first figuring out what causes the changes in the S-boxes; in that case, the attack is probably already finished, by other means. Perhaps, even, the S-boxes could change with so many chunks of text--again, variable, of course. Most, if not all, of the actual S-box designs used would be much weaker than the original design of DES for differential cryptanalysis. However, each different plaintext (and key) would use different s-boxes, so that particular attack isn't possible. So, I guess part of my question should be, does this open up other attacks? Or, for that matter, am I completely wrong? And, like I said before, has this been done? >Use IDEA. Certainly, until there's something better. I'm just hoping this might be, or that I can learn more along the way. > Rick And thanks to Bill and Lyman, who also responded similarly. b& PS Hopefully, I'll learn to check the Cc: line more carefully in the future. Apologies again for the noise. b& -- Ben.Goren(a)asu.edu, Arizona State University School of Music net.proselytizing (write for info): Protect your privacy; oppose Clipper. Voice concern over proposed Internet pricing schemes. Stamp out spamming. Finger ben(a)tux.music.asu.edu for PGP 2.3a public key.

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