December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

[SF Bay Area] Internet security course at Stanford
by stevenw＠best.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Seen on the net: The Western Institute of Computer Science announces a week-long course on INTERNET SECURITY taught at Stanford University July 29 -- August 2, 1996 by Arthur M. Keller (Stanford University) David H. Crocker (Brandenburg Consulting) Tina M. Darmohray (Information Warehouse!) Whitfield Diffie (Sun Microsystems) Mark Eichin (Cygnus Support) Alan Fedeli (IBM) Gail Grant (Open Market) Lance Hoffman (George Washington University) Peter G. Neumann (SRI International) Allan Schiffman (Terisa Systems) A Practical Week-long Course for Consultants, Educators, Government and Industry Scientists and Engineers This course is taught by leading researchers and practitioners in the area of internet security: Arthur M. Keller, Dave Crocker, Tina M. Darmohray, Whitfield Diffie, Mark Eichin, Alan Fedeli, Gail Grant, Lance Hoffman, Peter Neumann, and Allan M. Schiffman. Participants will receive a grounding in internet security, familiarity with current concepts and issues, and exposure to the most important research and development trends in the area. Connecting to the Internet brings both unparalleled information resources and unparalleled security dangers. Protecting computer systems and networks from attacks is a critical and ongoing process. Equally important is protecting corporate intellectual property assets from inappropriate access. This course will examine a variety of network security topics, including protecting against intrusion, detecting and tracking intruders, and repairing damage after intrusion. The course will being with a survey of risk analysis and setting up emergency responses to network incidents. We then follow with a detailed description of cryptography, including cryptographic policy and a panel. The course will then cover specific security technologies. These include network firewalls (which provide perimeter security), Kerberos and adding security to existing network applications, secure messaging, secure payments, and World Wide Web security (including SSL). This course will also analyze security issues for electronic commerce. We will also show a videotape presentation on SATAN by Dan Farmer, one of its developers, and a videotape presentation by John Markoff and Tsutomu Shimomura on Takedown. TEXT: Building_in_Big_Brother, Lance Hoffman, and a complete set of course notes. PREREQUISITES: This course assumes a general knowledge of computers and using the Internet. WHO SHOULD ATTEND: Computer programmers, system managers, computer operations staff and managers, information technologists and managers, and teachers who want to gain insight into the capabilities, implementation and current trends in this emerging technology. COURSE SCHEDULE: INTERNET SECURITY Course dates: July 29 -- August 2, 1996 Schedule AM1: 9:00 -- 10:30 AM2: 11:00 -- 12:30 PM1: 1:30 -- 3:00 PM2: 3:30 -- 5:00 Mon AM Security Overview . Risk Analysis: Lance Hoffman . Setting up Emergency Responses to Network Incidents: Alan Fedeli Mon PM Cryptography . Cryptography 1: Whitfield Diffie . Cryptography 2: Whitfield Diffie Tue AM Cryptography . Cryptography 3: Whitfield Diffie . Cryptography 4: Whitfield Diffie Tue PM Cryptography . Cryptographic policy: Lance Hoffman . Cryptography panel: Lance Hoffman (moderator), Peter Neumann, Whitfield Diffie Wed AM Firewalls . Firewall overview and design: Tina Darmohray . Packet filtering, proxies, firewall toolkits: Tina Darmohray Wed PM SATAN: Dan Farmer by videotape Takedown: John Markoff and Tsutomu Shimomura by videotape Thu AM Kerberos: Mark Eichin Adding security to existing network applications: Mark Eichin Thu PM Security for Messaging: Dave Crocker Secure payments: Gail Grant Fri AM WWW security: Allan Schiffman SSL: Allan Schiffman Fri PM panel: Arthur Keller (moderator), Dave Crocker, Whitfield Diffie, Peter Neumann, Allan Schiffman ABOUT THE INSTRUCTORS DR. ARTHUR M. KELLER is a Senior Research Scientist at Stanford University. He is Project Manager of Stanford University's participation in CommerceNet, which is doing the first large-scale market trial of electronic commerce on the Internet. He leads the effort on smart catalogs and virtual catalogs. He was Manager of the Penguin project, to provide sharing of persistent object data among multiple applications. He is also working on managing inconsistency in federated, autonomous database systems. His publications include work on database security, databases on parallel computers, incomplete information in databases, database system implementation, hypertext databases, and computerized typesetting. DAVID H. CROCKER is a principal with Brandenburg Consulting, providing business and technical planning for distributed information products and services. He has participated in the development of internetworking capabilities since 1972, first as part of the Arpanet research community and more recently in the commercial sector. Mr. Crocker has made extensive contributions to the development of electronic mail and other Internet services. He has worked at a number of Silicon Valley companies, producing a wide range of TCP/IP, OSI, and network management products. He serves as Chairman of the non-profit Silicon Valley - Public Access Link, a community network information service. Mr. Crocker continues technical involvement in Internet standards activities for transport services, electronic mail and electronic commerce. TINA M. DARMOHRAY is a senior consultant for Information Works!, which specializes in Internet connections, firewall configurations, security audits, and Internet workshops. Previously Tina led the UNIX system administration team at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, where her team had responsibility for over 1000 machines. Tina is a founding board member of SAGE (USENIX System Administrators Guild) and has over a decade of experience as a UNIX system and network administrator and instructor. She received her BS/MS from the University of California at Berkeley. DR. WHITFIELD DIFFIE, who holds the position of Distinguished Engineer at Sun Microsystems, is best known for his 1975 discovery of the concept of public key cryptography, for which he was awarded a Doctorate in Technical Sciences (Honoris Causa) by the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in 1992. For a dozen years prior to assuming his present position in 1991, Diffie was Manager of Secure Systems Research for Northern Telecom, functioning as the center of expertise in advanced security technologies throughout the corporation. Among his achievements in this position was the design of the key management architecture for NT's recently released PDSO security system for X.25 packet networks. Diffie received a Bachelor of Science degree in mathematics from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in 1965. He is the recipient of the IEEE Information Theory Society Best Paper Award for 1979 and the IEEE Donald E. Fink award for 1981. MARK EICHIN is the primary development engineer for Cygnus Network Security, Mark Eichin has been involved in the development of the Kerberos network security system since his days as an undergraduate at MIT. He continues to work closely with MIT on the development of Kerberos. He was also involved in the design and implementation of the Zephyr Notification Service, which has been billed as one of the most complex uses of Kerberos ever seen in an application. ALAN FEDELI manages IBM network security functions including: IBM's AntiVirus products and services, phone fraud, and external network connectivity policy and security countermeasures. He also manages IBM's central Computer Emergency Response Team (CERT), which handles harmful code and network intrusions worldwide, for IBM and customers. He formed IBM's Internet Emergency Response Service (ERS) as a fee-based commercial offering. He has been a manager of technology in IBM for the past 20 years. He has managed systems programming, network software development, and in the past 7 years he has created information security businesses within IBM. He is a graduate of City College of New York, and recently earned his MBA in Organizational Behavior at Pace University. GAIL GRANT is the vice president for Business Development for Open Market, Inc., responsible for evaluation of potential technology partners and long-term technical requirements. She also is the chairman of the Network Services Working Group in CommerceNet, which is working to facilitate the development, standardization and deployment of protocols, applications and enabling technologies which provide authentication, privacy/encryption and certification services over the Internet in a secure and interoperable manner. Prior to joining OMI in 1994, Ms. Grant pioneered the Internet Alpha Program for Digital Equipment Corporation. This innovative, industry-first program generated millions in revenues and was featured in numerous publications, including Fortune Magazine, The New York Times and USA Today. Previous positions include development and development management positions at Bolt Beranek and Newman in Cambridge MA and in Cardiac Research at Mass. General Hospital in Boston MA. Ms. Grant presents regularly at conferences on the Internet, World-Wide Web and Electronic Commerce as well as recently authoring a chapter on Internet business transaction systems for Mary Cronin's upcoming book in Internet strategies to be published by Harvard Business School Press. DR. LANCE J. HOFFMAN is Professor of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science at The George Washington University in Washington, D. C. and Director of the School of Engineering's Institute on Computer and Telecommunications Systems Policy. He is known for his pioneering research on computer security and risk analysis, and for his interdisciplinary work in computer policy issues. Dr. Hoffman is the author or editor of five books and numerous articles on computer security and privacy; his new work on cryptographic policy, Building in Big Brother, is the first book devoted to the topic. He also is the editor of the well-received readings book Rogue Programs: Viruses, Worms and Trojan Horses. Dr. Hoffman has lectured around the world on computer security and privacy and on the vulnerability of society to computer systems. Dr. Hoffman was previously a National Lecturer for the Association for Computing Machinery and a Distinguished Visitor for the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers. He served as general chairman of the Second Conference on Computers, Freedom, and Privacy, held in March 1992 in Washington. He is past chair of the IEEE Committee on Communications and Information Policy's Subcommittee on Information Security and Applications. Dr. Hoffman is a member of the National Advisory Board of the newsletter Privacy and American Business and a Fellow of the Association for Computing Machinery. DR. PETER G. NEUMANN is a principal scientist in the Computer Science Laboratory at SRI, where he has been since 1971, and his work is concerned with computer systems having requirements for security, reliability, human safety, and high assurance (including formal methods). He was founder and Editor of the SIGSOFT Software Engineering Notes (1976-1993), and is Chairman of the ACM Committee on Computers and Public Policy (since 1985), a Contributing Editor for CACM (since 1990), and creator (in 1985) and moderator of the ACM Forum on Risks to the Public in the Use of Computers and Related Technology. His RISKS-derived book on the benefits and pitfalls of computer-communication technology, Computer-Related Risks, is published by ACM Press and Addison Wesley. ALLAN M. SCHIFFMAN was named chief technical officer of Terisa Systems in April 1995. He was formerly chief technical officer of EIT, one of the founders of Terisa. He is principal architect of CommerceNet, a Bay Area consortium supporting electronic commerce over the Internet. His current obsession is Internet transaction security and has been working for the last year on Secure HTTP. Schiffman was previously vice president of technical strategy for ParcPlace Systems where he led the development of their well-known Objectworks\Smalltalk product family. Prior to this, he was senior MTS at Schlumberger Research and assistant director of the Fairchild Laboratory for Artificial Intelligence Research. He holds an M.S. in Computer Science from Stanford University. COURSE INFORMATION Dates: Monday-Friday, July 29-August 2, 1996 Times: Registration Sunday afternoon, July 28 Morning sessions 9:00am-12:30pm with a 30 minute break Afternoon sessions 1:30-5:00pm with a 30 minute break Lunch break 12:30-1:30pm daily Location: on the campus of Stanford University in Stanford, CA. Course Fee: $1,450 (includes instruction, complete set of course notes, break refreshments, and Tuesday night reception.) $1,575 for registration after July 15 Group Discount: A $100 discount is given to each individual when three or more register from the same organization for one of the courses. Accommodations: Housing information will be mailed at the request of the participant after enrollment. Parking permits are available at the Sunday afternoon course registration and are not included in your registration fee. Out-of-town participants will probably NOT need a car during the week. Transportation: from San Francisco International Airport: Shuttle service (Airport Connection) to the Stanford Campus approx. $17.00 each way; from San Jose International Airport: approx. $17.00 GENERAL INFORMATION Registration: Mail the registration form to the Western Institute of Computer Science, P.O. Box 1238, Magalia, CA 95954; FAX the registration form with your VISA/Mastercard number or company purchase order number to (916) 873-6697; or EMAIL your registration with company purchase order number or VISA or Mastercard number to barnhill(a)hudson.stanford.edu; TELEPHONE (916) 873-0575 with your company purchase order number or VISA or Mastercard numbers. CANCELLATIONS: are accepted up to 14 working days prior to the start of the course. A $100 processing fee will be assessed. After that date, no refunds will be given, but you may send a substitute in your place. If WICS is forced to cancel a course for any reason, liability is limited to the return of the paid registration fee. FOR INFORMATION: Call Western Institute of Computer Science at (916) 873-0575; email to barnhill(a)hudson.stanford.edu. _____________________________________________________________________________ Registration Form INTERNET SECURITY July 24-28, 1995 Registration on or before July 15 [ ] INTERNET SECURITY $1,450 Registration after July 15 [ ] INTERNET SECURITY $1,575 Name____________________________________ Title___________________________________ Company_________________________________ Address_________________________________ ________________________________________ City/State______________________________ Zip___________________ Country_________________ Work Phone (________)___________________ Home Phone (________)___________________ Electronic Mail address __________________________ on network _____________________ Total amount enclosed: $___________ Method of payment [ ] Check enclosed (payable to WICS) [ ] Visa/Mastercard #________________________________ card exp. date__________ cardholder signature___________________________________________________ [ ] Bill my company. Purchase Order #__________________________ Write billing address below. Return registration form with payment to: Western Institute of Computer Science P.O. Box 1238 Magalia, CA 95954-1238 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steven Weller | Technology (n): | | A substitute for adulthood. stevenw(a)best.com | Popular with middle-aged men.

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Kahn's "The CodeBreakers"
by Brad Shantz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

C-Punks, Just as an interesting side note..... I got lucky this weekend and found a First Edition copy of David Kahn's "The Code Breakers" at a little bookstore in Port Townsend, Washington. WHAT A SHOCK!!! Anyway, I snagged it for $25.00. The cover has been laminated (library style, not card style) and it is in excellent condition. For those wondering what the significance of Port Townsend is...well, there is none. It is, however, the location of Fort Worden which is where "An Officer and a Gentleman" was filmed. (Major piece of military history, isn't it?) Anyway, if any one is looking for a copy, mine is not for sale, but the owner of the store said that she has seen copies come through every now and again. (Not necessarily First Ed's) If you are interested in getting in touch with the store, let me know. Please use my work address, brads(a)trisource.com Brad Shantz TRIsource Windows Development Services 2825 Eastlake Ave. E. Suite 100 Seattle, WA 98012-3062

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by Steve Dommett 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: FOR WHOM THE BELL TOLLS
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 06:01 PM 6/9/96 +0200, Anonymous wrote: > >Bryce wrote (whilst on his high horse): > >> Hm. I think the best we could hope for is along the lines of >> "The suspect subscribed to the 'Cypherpunks' discussion group on >> the Internet, but his violent views were rejected by the members >> of the group." > >Not every member of this list rejects his views. I for one do not >reject them outright, but will not defend his views publically for >fear of embarassing the corporation that I work for. Some day, the "embarrassment" may be among those who misunderstood an idea that is, by then, fully operational and was an improvement over the previous system. I seem to recall some funny poster titled something like "The five stages of a new idea" which starts out "It'll never work" and ends up, "I knew it would work all along!" >I do not >reject Jim Bell's violent views for the simple reason that violence >is often required to fight violence. In other words, the best you >can hope for is "... but his violent views were rejected by some >members of the group." I'd like to know what they mean by using the term "rejected." A rejection without an alternative is irresponsible. Assuming they agree that the status quo is unacceptable, and if they believe that change is possible, then what is their solution? Moreover, what is the real meaning of the word "rejected" in this context? You can't "reject" gravity, or a hurricane, or eventual death. >> It is important that the reporter manages to _not_ use the word >> "member" to indicate that Bell is a "member" of Cypherpunks. > >He *is* a member. And why shouldn't he be? Are you suggesting that >this group become moderated? (hiss). The whole AP concept is very >relevent to the Cypherpunks, whether the majority like it or not. In fact, I'd argue that it's inextricably linked to good encryption. Defending one will ultimately defend the other. >If your fear is that reporters will get hold of the wrong end of the >stick, then perhaps you are correct, but the real problem is the >*reporters*, not the attitude of the Cypherpunks. blame them. >propose a solution. (how about abolition of all libel laws?) Now _that's_ an excellent idea! Libel laws never protect the anti-establishment, non-mainstream portion of the public, for one. >> This is assuming that the statement "his violent views were >> rejected by the members of the group" is actually true! If >> there _is_ anyone else here who shares Bell's evil enthusiasms, >> I strongly encourage you to begin a new list dedicated to that >> topic. > >I disagree with the phrase "evil enthusiasms." Bell is not an >evil man. A little crazy perhaps, but not evil. Thanks...uh...I think... > If you bothered >to listen to him, you would find that his aim is to create a >"better" world, where people (especially politicians) are very >much more responsible for their own actions. He suggests that >the number of deaths due to AP will be less that the number of >deaths due to the current corrupt system. True. And it's not just the quantity of deaths that'll be lowered: The "quality" of those deaths (the justification for killing the target) will go up, which may seem to be an odd way to refer to it. Most of us will agree that if there was some way to swap the death of the victim, automatically, for the death of the criminal or attacker, that would be far more just arrangement, as well as rather rapidly deterring future killings. An example of the exact opposite is frequently exposed in discussing anti-gun-carry laws, which only disarm law-abiding citizens and leave the criminals armed. Such laws, therefore, actually swap the death of the criminal for the death of the victim. >think about it. how many on this group would have another man >killed for his views? For his noisy stereo? For a competive >advantage in business? I am confident the answer will be zero. Moreover, the number of people wanting to kill the "unjustified" target will be extremely low, meaning that one odd donor would have to pay a large amount of money to get "action" on his donation. >On the other hand, I would gladly throw in a few dollars to have >certain politicians killed. gladly. and I will be able to sleep >at night. You and a few million other people. Which is why AP will work so well getting rid of governments...and criminals. >I will sleep better knowing that, although I was >partly responsible for a mans death, I will have saved countless >others (a bit like dropping an a-bomb on Japan). That's exactly correct. But also, the very existence of such a system will _deter_ such people, meaning that it is very likely you won't have to pay for anybody's death at all...except for a few that resignation won't save. >Question for Jim - would you resort to AP to have Bryce popped off? Nope. Not when there are so many other deserving targets! B^) >Question for Bryce - would you resort to AP to have Jim popped off? It wouldn't do any good... Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: Anti-Scientologists
by Rich Burroughs 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 05:37 PM 6/10/96 +0200, someone wrote: [snip] >Declan wrote: > >> Truth #2: Cults can exist in the absence of a charismatic leader. > >Would you describe Christianity as a cult? If not, why not? So we're going to argue about whether the word "cult" should apply to CoS?? Okay, how about this: it's a _religion_ that uses deception, mind control techniques, and criminal activities to attempt to get as much possible money from as many marks^H^H^H^H^H worshippers as possible, and goes to extreme lengths to silence its critics. Is that better? Hubbard started CoS because he was getting too much heat over the quackery and pseudoscience in "Dianetics." I'm going to start a religion, too, called the Church of the Shell Game. Don't you call it a cult, or I'll be real mad! Rich -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMbx6cYT0GKfZRA/9AQFUTwP+ODigyynDs76o039u/SgxP5K54LSOjsh+ AoKWi81U/cHwPABNZ+fhoP+Hcpd21m4mycWRcFoMwW/VC1xfuEYaCRrqhUlJy5oe EMYlHNbZQ/klZPBnZkfBZSJFApWpeZTfsaAPKnzwtEGJVTGd0GtdnUe8X2mfCJHJ Hc5gmTmyQvA= =RZOB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ______________________________________________________________________ Rich Burroughs richieb(a)teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~richieb See my Blue Ribbon Page at http://www.teleport.com/~richieb/blueribbon New EF zine "cause for alarm" - http://www.teleport.com/~richieb/cause

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HACK - Class III Information Warfare, Has It Begun? (fwd)
by Rich Graves 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Yes, I recently subscribed to Netly-L. What of it? Any bets on whether the Sunday Times is going to sue Time for this blatant copyright violation? :-) -rich ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 12:17:41 -0400 From: Noah Robischon <noah(a)pathfinder.com> Reply-To: netly-l(a)pathfinder.com To: Multiple recipients of list <netly-l(a)relay.pathfinder.com> Subject: HACK - Class III Information Warfare, Has It Begun? Well this update from The Sunday Times of London clarifies just how much last week's story was based on rumor. The answer: totally. (Esp. note the quote in paragraph #5). From: http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/Sunday-Times/stinwenws01027.html?12 55993 Secret DTI inquiry into cyberterror THE government has been holding a secret investigation into attacks by "cyber terrorists" on the City of London for more than two years. The Department of Trade and Industry (DTI), Bank of England, GCHQ, the secret listening station, and the Defence Research Agency (DRA) are involved in the inquiry. The existence of the investigation, which began in April 1994, emerged after The Sunday Times revealed last week that banks, broking firms and investment houses had paid millions of pounds to gangs that threaten to wipe out computer systems. Correspondence from the investigating authorities, seen by Insight, include letters from civil servants saying they are "extremely concerned" at the evidence of extortion demands. Yesterday the DTI issued a statement confirming the inquiry and suggesting its work had been hampered by the lack of co-operation from City institutions. "We are very interested in the allegations of extortion directed at City of London institutions which were brought to our attention in 1994. We responded then by involving many government organisations, including the DTI, the police, the Bank of England and other agencies. So far, we have not been presented with any hard evidence from victims.We would urge those threatened to come forward," a spokesman said. In one letter, dated May 1995, David Hendon, director of DTI technical affairs, wrote to a company specialising in computer security work stating that he was taking the City extortion issue "extremely seriously". Insight has since seen the evidence passed to the DTI and GCHQ which sparked the investigation. In 1994, a consultant working for a company which undertakes computer risk assessments for City institutions compiled a table of 46 attacks on banks and finance houses in New York, London and other centres, starting in January 1993. The list included details of raids on three British banks and one American investment house. The documents suggested that operations in the futures markets had been a focus for some of the attacks. Documents sent by the DRA, from the office of Professor David Parks, a senior director, indicate that the agency is especially interested in the "weaponry" deployed by the cyber terrorists. The agency believes high-intensity radio frequency (HIRF) guns may have been used to black out trading positions in City finance houses. The weapon disables a computer by firing electromagnetic radiation at it and is a "black programme" at the defence ministry, one of the highest security classification levels. Last December, Parks approached a company which specialises in defensive measures against information warfare and carries out work for GCHQ. For a£30,000 fee it was asked to arrange a demonstration of a portable HIRF weapon in Germany. Details of the HIRF weaponry and its use in the City have also been compiled by Computing magazine, which intends to pass them to the DTI and other authorities.

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Re: Kahn's "The CodeBreakers"
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:40 AM 6/10/96, Brad Shantz wrote: >For those wondering what the significance of Port Townsend is...well, >there is none. It is, however, the location of Fort Worden which is >where "An Officer and a Gentleman" was filmed. (Major piece of >military history, isn't it?) > Ah, but it does have some significance. "Liberty" is published out of Port Townsend. (More precisely, it was the last time I looked.) And it's near Hump Tulips, Sequim, and Chimicum (sp?). Ma and Pa Kettle country. --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: Report from Germany on "backdoor" net-censorship
by jaed＠best.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:10 PM 6/9/96, Ulf Moeller wrote: >Furthermore, sample news articles will be suject to detailed legal >evaluation. Should this result in suspicion or proof of transportation >of illegal contents, the ICTF can launch various steps to work against >propagation of these contents. For example, it can arrange for >blocking of complete newsgroups or retrospect "Cancel" of articles >already transmitted. Um. Does this ICTF understand the implications of sending forged cancel messages outside its own server, when the cancels are based strictly on disapproval of the content? Do they realize what the consequences will be for carriage of traffic from their node? Is Germany about to become known as "Cancelbunny Nation"? >Internet Media Counsil presents fist measurements for Voluntary >Self-Control This is a wonderful type in the fifth word above... ;-) -- The Internet interprets the US Congress as system damage and routes around it. - with apologies to John Gilmore

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Re: Gore opposes unwarranted'' Internet censorship
by shabbir＠vtw.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

We should not cut the Administration slack on the basis of some carefully spun comment by Al Gore's handlers. We're going to win this one for ourselves. The fact that the White House has begun the process of backing away from their own case through ol' Al should not, and will not, change my mind. If you're going to give them credit for anything, give them credit for directing the Justice dept. to state that they were opposed to Exon's ideas very early on in the game. (even if that position became amazingly low profile when faced with the certainty of the rest of the telecomm bill) -Shabbir J. Safdar * Online Representative * Voters Telecomm. Watch (VTW) http://www.vtw.org/ * Defending Your Rights In Cyberspace Mike McNally writes: >Joseph M. Reagle Jr. wrote: >> >> Sounds good but I had to laugh when I heard it... is he at odds with >> other members of the administration, or is this rhetoric? > >Good cop, bad cop. > >______c_____________________________________________________________________ >Mike M Nally * Tiv^H^H^H IBM * Austin TX * pain is inevitable > m5(a)tivoli.com * m101(a)io.com * > <URL:http://www.io.com/~m101> * suffering is optional

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InfoWar and a.r.s
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It seems to me we are seeing an example of Information Warfare in the doings around alt.religion.scientology. The board game "Go" models warfare by having a goal of controlling territory. In the a.r.s war, we see the combatants trying to control the newsgroup. We even see an arms race with weapons such as cancelbots being developed and employed. The major difference between newsgroup war and conventional war is that the dimension a victor needs to control is time and not space. One question to ponder is whether the a.r.s war will perform the same role as the Spanish Civil War vs. WW2. Will we see newsgroup war expand to other news groups? I would think a few of the .culture.* groups could be candidates. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bill Frantz | The CDA means | Periwinkle -- Computer Consulting (408)356-8506 | lost jobs and | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | dead teenagers | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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Slander of Catholic Church
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 7:42 PM 6/10/96, Rich Burroughs wrote: >.... Okay, how about this: it's a _religion_ that uses >deception, mind control techniques, and criminal activities to >attempt to get as much possible money from as many marks^H^H^H^H^H >worshippers as possible, and goes to extreme lengths to silence >its critics. I don't think this vicious criticism of the Catholic Church is warranted here! Many of those investigated by the Holy Office actually _were_ heretics, and the turning of bread into the holy flesh of Our Lord Jesus Christ has been verified by Vatican scientists. Further, those peasants of Latin America who give their earnings to the Church so that more jewel-encrusted crosses and goblets can be bought do not see themselves as victims of a scam. After all, the Church may get richer in this secular world as they get poorer, but the Church promises them a seat at St. Peter's dinner table in the next life. As to the Church silencing its critics...surely you are not referring to that Jew slander about the Vatican banker found hanging from Black Friar's bridge in London? Or the Protestant myth about Opus Dei and its dispensation of papal justice? The Pope can utter nothing that is false when he speaks ex cathedra. You heathens had better remember this, else you may expect an invitation from the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (which some of you heretics and nonbelievers may know by its old name, the Sacred Congregation of Universal Inquisition). Millions alive today will reveal the truth before they die. --Cardinal Timothy May (Who believes all cults and religions are basically the same shuck and jive, and who thinks the "Church of Scientology" is actually a little bit less foolish that the Church of Mormon, with its "baptism of dead ancestors" into the Church, the funny underwear people have to secretly wear, etc. However, I have great respect for the practical tactics of the Mormons, and no respect for the day to day behavior of the CoS.) Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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PGP key revocation
by Rich Graves 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

If you exchanged private email with me in the last 18 months, encrypted or not, in either direction, you should assume that it has been read. If you want to contact me, please use my alpha pager, rich(a)beep.stanford.edu (60 characters in the Subject: line) or leave a message at 415-725-7710 and I will call you back. My backup key 0x6992AB4D is probably still secure, but I'm going to generate a new one as soon as I find the time to build a clean machine. Thank you for playing. -rich -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQCNAzCFUi4AAAEEAN/ubnqjGw3s2lNatp3UIqsMarHA9GyZQijm5kgSMaSrsp6M u43nYmUvcfEAffDv4bH2uH6D1KnSx5DlNoC7uxzjD2jJjAcIiEo/5wkGrBPUBjA+ C9hHsVXIrzDvXWcz/iHAJhyljgqGl9NkvGAy6PNLcJk/ljmixI3DXUbM57SdAAUR iQCVAwUgMbxsZY3DXUbM57SdAQGudwP+MOWhcL+ZtoPDMjZg/qcUyLINlp/0y2/o 9K/bluz0C5Q62wN+9NV3FCghdtdUTYjPd0bMUKVjRds0jedAq5yOqoc3nTamiqa2 Y1ybm7gnlpqubrbVlFnlFLRJspDva6wZfD8Hdzrd0X/BfWIJYLv17epZYue3WCDF zsW2B0n4GNK0N1JpY2hhcmQgQ2hhcmxlcyBHcmF2ZXMgPGxsdXJjaEBuZXR3b3Jr aW5nLnN0YW5mb3JkLmVkdT6JARUDBRAxQg5/iBwV98nhsvEBAXEfB/9KaEAILYNA sNMiIhjcgJWYXh0bfpgNA53wch4jcwpUtn7btnfvpiHXBsfzGhkbNjjVRUqjRzwF 3MvwZvj+ABCIe+JKD2HEZZDe1GH5Bx/OKNWnTxfNQK4oy1pjwQ+mTVHYj1c+P4qb naPW8BLc6rL1jKtDjH0Jm/xC5f1H7dtSTPewv/n4JrcBZFeneOnPOJoM33NQbOgJ 9VEEe3OvW7QbLxwuMKxKwBiOG7BMJDDb/SHanqZo1lExbDXUuAiI18tKW3E9s87t CkJukLJWvXUOA3e2DWN4IDfvFde80NPYbSVbpzLvuLYwxK+iAGshifXVXZe49Cr1 IvTKM+pwI4CeiQBVAwUQMUJ+W/thU5e7emAFAQFMIQH/VilvyRTg23royZQpuk5F YXHEued4yyApNXPthCxZIYe24nUlcgpY4QWKy++nmUV25OGJR6Y2WsC2z0XIWygZ zYkAlQMFEDFAYX1pqHkdFx/OXQEBYGgEAJDoATPIWIxriQa5tadTAu3bGvVv2zkb d0GPXTfr16m/GvLiJ5lmCYqcsKuB/TFcDx/mpKRKQ1kxwOKUwd/W5aSFN5keIlDW xv0XbGVsHfA+k0vUDQ8drEPd5TdIRvNzPqm2bZyVnGslfvYsFM5nSj2GdrkZgxR2 jxBprZhaES0giQCVAwUQMTjO/hRnBgsaWCnFAQHpNAP/ZoZhHA/JzAecCXPETJIf 9zjPKi4Ih465nxwnhXXwUtNVMFjq7SfJWGSPr/Ei+PE+TKunoGY0/FxV38uyFxXR Cu2OD3JMIv24NfnUHPnRq/0Hd/NFknGcL1YMXz2DZ63sPO/8Q8GCxXsQ+503DRS2 EUEUSL3ncsukpyPEOb1Sk1WJAJUDBRAxOM8dFIEgbOEpZk0BAR8NBADNJx2lstV7 FziO7O/Aq50mF/oqy4ccAPGzEr2bzGHsP2p7eOG+YJIGI4OrZljoKfhnTtEHiRtu Fl0m0HsvMVK1Gqbzr+j47gpCDv81WEQae5lNHy5/xWGItEPRZj3EWke8fJWh8HaL f0sSgGaYtFjj4x7E524NONHlvln21VjWbIkAlQMFEDE4zlEaFuRhG5FXbQEBPs8E AIQjJgfAdyLxYz/IQy8dCxviausupCtvKKoKdsLj9Q6WN68tjqtjFJI2QHltyjVT 5cyUTpFfegb0PnBmagvkC9fZF3o7N8Mlf0tPV77w9fbjZ7E7pcGdU4S3PNeDvTAb ChVokB6NigAzXKyaJDlPRAJszF+GOt83HYbOtZWzLEVwiQCVAwUQMTjOsCe8yKJt SqxdAQEPEwQArHWrSOHWL7m4ZK1QIEQdpwlZySJM5w53wBS1APp7/MtE39/7/nTp 4FPs5e0Vx/AYMyWHuSo2NNL+iFmGNYrQzAn3wu866gFefjIabx/g0BaklvH/5RwT IXq78R+//W41UEKu7X4SI4pwg5xNroUsCWdc3id8O4uZiwWydu/ocn6JAJUDBRAx OM4vQK1BjWmSq00BAXXeA/48YpMA9xc02wqScPo+dVPG5EP+K2wSgjoflkjhTkJ2 N+NNcSihmbKbviHZc/NIcpbw+3pKGZNllv0FemlPNUfvvm5ILKv88w9nHK4DXLEt c/BOuCJtHnNqU2edBET6mVOnqKyoTIyYLF3gRQusoxB+P9snPEgjMqGJezekI6tk DYkAlQMFEDCFUk6Nw11GzOe0nQEBqD0D/27O7hOU+DehP4vT1Sb5deYI/bFHoOks TrlGixC+lAsYMigsz3CFzE8XTNzohVQm1iaeO/43YHrr7cLOTfhep41u4Ag0iSUm zzDv0iQyAiolsypcZ49wBc8m3VsJVHpUVMG0qmf34xUxXuNUT4BxgGvXEYjEV8eQ M3350OT5u9i+iQCVAwUQMTjO0tlBWyzhG2y5AQGk/wQAxDjtawWTI8vv7sW1V2dy qbEJ/76Gfgzv/W6pP3MJVrcDesU7/qQ4aSdPAIP7Ac7RXySMMsrdiRQXFKDHW4I4 78aF1A2HjvlMcrdNR+aldaHkyc+ffv3Z0Y1v3ov+GQM9V2KHdtMXOE3e8PlEg5xF iOfwWTpihvCMXeM0P+8t+rGJAJUDBRAxOM6P5PUudM+LRA0BAciKA/0bts6s+xKW eqUMdUjnLclC+Zi50OKhS8LuS8RKLSmo5885eiSMqAaOQYjV924EPBmfsNhWsS3G 51jSxGHj8E/2b3rjsUWOW+O5Lq7DM8W4b0IuQkFINEwgfZ6T5MUc1iPQtYo8l/7W vR3lAhLFQRmnQgGr8at+ekNumeckasFeALQsUmljaCBFbmNyeXB0ZWQgRHJvcGJv eCA8bGx1cmNoQGFscGhhLmMyLm9yZz60QEZvciBndWFyYW50ZWVkIHNlY3VyaXR5 LCB1c2UgMHg2OTkyQUI0RCBmb3IgcmljaC5ncmF2ZXNAZm9yc3l0aGW0KlIuIENo YXJsZXMgR3JhdmVzIDxyY2dyYXZlc0BpeC5uZXRjb20uY29tPrQkUmljaCBHcmF2 ZXMgPGFuMjc0MDc0QGFub24ucGVuZXQuZmk+tBdKdXN0IFJpY2ggPHJpY2hAYzIu b3JnPg== =aVAl -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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RE: Slander of Catholic Church
by Blanc Weber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From: Cardinal Timothy May > >(Who believes all cults and religions are basically the same shuck and >jive, and who thinks the "Church of Scientology" is actually a little >bit >less foolish that the Church of Mormon, with its "baptism of dead >ancestors" into the Church, the funny underwear people have to secretly >wear, etc. However, I have great respect for the practical tactics of >the >Mormons, and no respect for the day to day behavior of the CoS.) ................................................................ With apologies to Perry, who could give a flip, my day will not be complete until Tim tells us about the funny underwear (and how he knows about it). > .. >Blanc

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Re: whitehouse queries files on political enemies
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

OBCrypto: William Safire, in his 6/10/96 column on this subject, says, "Under Freeh, the anti-encryption zealot hand-picked by the man whose name was used on the phony requisitions, the Justice Department's most confidential file room has become a walk-in closet for White House pols." ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bill Frantz | The CDA means | Periwinkle -- Computer Consulting (408)356-8506 | lost jobs and | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | dead teenagers | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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MacPGP Control (Front end for Macs)
by stevenw＠best.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I saw this on the Web. I've never used it. -------------------------------------8>----------------------------- MacPGP Control (or MPGPC for short) is an AppleScript application that offers an easy-to-use, more Macintosh friendly user interface to MacPGP. MacPGP Control relies on your AppleScript-aware version of MacPGP to perform encryption and decryption. For information on how to obtain MacPGP in the USA or Canada, first refer to that site using your FTP client (Anarchie, Fetch, etc...) or a World Wide Web browser (Netscape, MacWeb, etc...). For non-USA citizens, information on how to obtain MacPGP is available at Ståle Schumacher's International PGP Home Page. The main features of MPGPC are grouped into three categories: MacPGP related features Eudora and Claris Em@iler related features Macintosh related features The current version of MacPGP Control is 1.0 fc 1. You need, among other things, the Scriptable Finder to run MPGPC. If you don't have it or cannot obtain a legal copy, I cannot help you and you will be wasting your time and money downloading this software. All other components are available. MacPGP Control is US$15 shareware. -------------------------------------8>----------------------------- For details see: http://www.deepeddy.com/pgp/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steven Weller | Technology (n): | | A substitute for adulthood. stevenw(a)best.com | Popular with middle-aged men.

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Re: Report from Germany on "backdoor" net-censorship
by mccoy＠communities.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Ulf forwards: [...] > Proof of origin of > critical articles will be processed by the server, archived in a data > base observing privacy laws, and stored at a central facility. > Furthermore, sample news articles will be suject to detailed legal > evaluation. Should this result in suspicion or proof of transportation > of illegal contents, the ICTF can launch various steps to work against > propagation of these contents. For example, it can arrange for > blocking of complete newsgroups or retrospect "Cancel" of articles > already transmitted. ICTF can direct possible criminal investigation > with help of its data base. [...] Did anyone else hear "Deutchland Uber Alles" in the back of their mind while reading this? I wonder if the gestapo.de domain name is taken yet... > The special problem of the News service is that information can be > distributed world-wide, yet anonymously. This is different of at least > fundamentally more difficult in other parts of the Internet, so that > the volume of critical content in the News is comparably high. It is kinda sad that these German ISPs who claim that politicians and governments do not understand the nature of the net seem themselves guilty of not understand that all internet traffic is effectively anonymous, Usenet is just obviously anonymous. > The > ICTF will register the information availible on the origin of news > and store them in a data base as to make it possible to determine > who has sent an article or disguised the real author's identity, in > retrospect. "Papieren bitte..." Yellow stars, pink triangles, hmmm... seems to me that the Germans have a rather poor history regarding registration and identity services, but they are once again proving to be good at encouraging "collaborators." jim

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Denver area meeting, Saturday, 6/15, 2 pm
by awestrop＠crl.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- This month we'll meet on Saturday so that a couple of folks will be able to attend Father's Day festivites. As always, we'll meet at the Tivoli; send email for directions. ps -- I haven't been announcing local meetings to the list because I unsubscribed for a few months...just thought I'd advise everyone that this meeting will be on a Saturday. Besides, info about local meetings is now available at http://www.command.com.inter.net/ thanks to some friends who are frequent attendees. Alan Westrope PGP public key: http://www.nyx.net/~awestrop <awestrop(a)nyx.net> <awestrop(a)crl.com> PGP 0xB8359639: D6 89 74 03 77 C8 2D 43 7C CA 6D 57 29 25 69 23 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMbze8VRRFMq4NZY5AQEFlwP/VqxwvfBt4RH1mk+OIuZe16jXFb+NMoIt i6f1p74BL4XX9TdOobxL/Rnc+tswE8fDCtudESB9vwBGdqaBELF1uNZVQ7/1E7iq 8m7Q5vdhHTmhX/2zqQlCNIdmM1mtyJrj86nSSMJ+i1Z1pdi1kSw1TvSNM7e7eMpL 8vZSpxIZy6Y= =FDqe -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Terrorism Hysteria on the Net
by Dale Drew 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:21 PM 6/10/96 -0500, snow wrote: >On Wed, 5 Jun 1996, John Young wrote: >> "You bring me a select group of hackers and within 90 days I'll bring this >> country to its knees, " says Jim Settle, retired director of the FBI's >> computer crime squad. > > Give me 15 well trained soldiers(near special forces level) and I >can do it in less than 60 days. Without touching a computer. > To understand where "They" think they are coming from, you have to compare Apples-to-Apples. The concern is the medium of choice; the Internet and it's high availability of anonymity, coupled with its access to large amounts of computer systems available via one virtual channel. A well orchestrated and well researched attack by the right folk, as the thought process goes, could in-fact, potentially affect large amounts of critical computer systems within a short period of time. And while the government has inroads available to identify potential physical terrorists threats, they do not feel as prepared for the virtual ones. =============================================================== Dale Drew MCI Telecommunications Manager internetMCI Security Engineering Voice: 703/715-7058 Internet: ddrew(a)mci.net Fax: 703/715-7066 MCIMAIL: Dale_Drew/644-3335

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Re: [SF Bay Area] Internet security course at Stanford
by bogdan＠ljextra.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > >Seen on the net: > > >The Western Institute of Computer Science announces >a week-long course on > >INTERNET SECURITY > >taught at Stanford University > >July 29 -- August 2, 1996 > >Course Fee: > $1,450 (includes instruction, complete set of course notes, > break refreshments, and Tuesday night reception.) > $1,575 for registration after July 15 Any guys from this list are gonna take a class for $1500??

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AOL 3.0 and SSL
by John Pettitt 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I see AOL 3.0 how has SSL - does anybody know if they ran the encrypted pipe out to the browser or stopped it at the AOL host ... since it's possible to connect to the AOL host via the net the latter would be a very silly idea ... John Pettitt, jpp(a)software.net VP Engineering, CyberSource Corporation, 415 473 3065 "Technology is a way of organizing the universe so that man doesn't have to experience it." - Max Frisch PGP Key available at: http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/htbin/pks-extract-key.pl?op=get&search=0xB7AA37…

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Re: Terrorism Hysteria on the Net
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:21 PM 6/10/96 -0500, snow wrote: >On Wed, 5 Jun 1996, John Young wrote: > >> "You bring me a select group of hackers and within 90 days I'll bring this >> country to its knees, " says Jim Settle, retired director of the FBI's >> computer crime squad. > > Give me 15 well trained soldiers(near special forces level) and I >can do it in less than 60 days. Without touching a computer. > There was a blue print published by Omni Magazine in the mid to >late 80's written by Henry Kissinger (IIRC). > Give me 15 McVey's with the ability to follow orders and I'll have >this country in chaos in 2 weeks. > > It isn't that hard, it is just that almost everyone prefers the >current system to total death & destruction chaos that follows a strong >government collapsing. Doesn't this statement represent something of a bias in favor of today's system? Is the "total death and destruction chaos" a function of the collapse of that strong government, or the immediate tendency of it to be replaced with dictator wannabes? In other words, if a "strong government" could be brought down with a guarantee that nobody would be able to even begin to replace it, might that not be an entirely different matter? >Society holds itself together in large part not >because of the rule of law, but becaue most people want it to. Doesn't this statement contradict the previous statement you made? If there's "chaos" perhaps that's merely because a small group of people is trying to take control. Most people want peace, but it can be disturbed by a minority. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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[NOISE] whitehouse queries files on political enemies
by Deranged Mutant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 10 Jun 96 at 13:21, Vladimir Z. Nuri wrote: > what goes around comes around.. > this reminds me of the old stories of Nixon and the various NSA > domestic programs mentioned by Bamford ("Puzzle Palace") > > > - ------- Forwarded Message Old news, actually. It came over the wire Firday night. Can't think of anything about it relevant to crypto at the moment...

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No Subject
by Blake Wehlage 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Blake "Pokey" Wehlage Age-13 Gaa- 3.69 (for ice hockey goalie) <jwilk(a)iglou.com> President of Revolution Software Quote- Does whiskey count as beer? -Homer Simpson

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Cypherpunk Enquirer
by enquirer＠alpha.c2.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

THE CYPHERPUNK ENQUIRER "Encyphering minds want to know." The Enquirer's Public Service Award for this month goes to ABC Evening News, which, after noting that 25% of America's children have access to bomb-making instructions via the Internet, proceeded to provide those instructions to the 75% without Internet access. ABC News President Roone Arledge defended the decision to describe the explosives made from commonly available household ingredients, stating that "In the interest of public safety, we omitted the final instruction to 'light the fuse and run like hell'." The Cypherpunk Academy of Codes and Cyphers recently announced a new nomination for the Perry Award. The nomination for this prestigious award, given to the cypherpunk who has done the most in the past year to increase the S/N ratio of the list, goes to Alex de Joode, for shutting down the famed Hacktic remailer and refusing to confirm or deny that the reason was actually the fact that the entire staff of Hacktic, Int. has recently converted to the Church of $cientology. The resulting rumors set of a wave of paranoia on the list regarding the future of the remailer network, and resulted in a few cypherpunks actually writing code for the first time in recent memory. Mr. de Joode, interviewed while peddling e-meter software for $10,000 in Amsterdam's red light district, refused all comment. Curtis Sliwa had to return the $10,000 today when it was discovered that the .gif of "a woman's genitals nailed to a board" that the CyberAngels presented to the ACLU lawyers in the CDA appeal hearing was really a photo of his wife Lisa's labial piercings. Rich Graves finally got his Doctor of Divinity degree from the Universal Life Church, and requests that from now on, list members refer to him as "DR. Fucking Statist". Sotheby's Auction House today announced that the famed "Black Window" Java applet signed by Marianne Mueller has been sold for $2,500,000. The rare applet, which can damage hard drive files even though it had been signed and certified as "completely secure", was purchased by a certain Wall Street Computer Security Consultant who wishes to remain anonymous, and who placed his winning bid via anonymizer(a)c2.org. Leon Panetta belatedly admitted today that hidden away in the small print on page 1,237 of the Administration's latest "Law Enforcement Access to Encrypted Internet Traffic" proposal, otherwise known as Clipper III, was a section on the new "Republican Members of Congress FBI File Escrow Service". Logan promises to never again try to operate his Mac mail software immediately after one of those late-night Beltway cocktail parties. Former President Jimmy Carter was vindicated today when Jim Bell announced that the strange markings on recently deceased ex-CIA Director William Colby's canoe were indeed the result of rabbit bites. Sandy Sandfort's tax avoidance consulting service collapsed today when it was discovered that tax avoiders weren't any better at chaining remailers that the average Windows95 user. Next in the Enquirer: Tim May's first interview since the Catholic Jihad's announcement of their "Death Contract" with Jim Bell.

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ANNOUNCEMENT: HACKERPUNKS MAILING LIST
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

H A C K E R P U N K S "Obscurity through Security!" Hi! We are delighted to announce a new mailing list, Hackerpunks! This list is for serious folks who know stuff about computers _AND_ want to keep their privacy. The submission address is an anonymous alias, hackerpunks(a)alpha.c2.org. It is anonymous because _I_ want to keep my privacy and do NOT want to answer stupid questions. To further _your_ privacy, we can subscribe ONLY anonymous aliases user_name(a)alpha.c2.org. Mailing list messages will be forwarded to your alpha.c2.org adresses through anonymous remailers. .p This list is UNMODERATED. Due to our organization, we are unable to find out your true identity, and you are unable to find out where our list-bot resides. So - you can now have free discussion about all exploits and great hacks! Just use remailers and be safe... .p Remember i) no one can find out where the list resides ii) nobody can find out that your alpha.c2.org account is subscribed to Hackerpunks iii) nobody can find out who hides behind alpha.c2.org accounts iv) nobody can find out that you are using alpha.c2.org aliases. .p Everything goes as long as it is about hacking. We shall decide later whether we want to keep non-computer hacking discussions in this list or make another one. MODERATE FLAMAGE ONLY! .p Since remailers are used all the way from you to the list-bot and back, the time for your messages to reach subscribers will be invariably longer. You've gotta pay for security. Hackers must be patient! .p See our .sig for instructions; get premail for Unix or Private Idaho for Windows, get an anonymous account at alpha.c2.org, and subscribe! .p All subscriptions and submissions NOT originating from alpha.c2.org will be AUTOMATICALY REJECTED. That will save you YOUR OWN BUTT if you mistakenly submit a non-anonymous message. .p See ya! Schwartau, join us if you have something real to say (unlikely)! @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ H A C K E R P U N K S M A I L I N G L I S T hackerpunks(a)alpha.c2.org Send your requests to [un]subscribe to hackerpunks-owner(a)alpha.c2.org Only nyms from @alpha.c2.org may subscribe and post to this list. See http://www.c2.org/anon.phtml, http://www.c2.net/~raph/premail @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

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