January 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: FC: Will this column land me in federal prison under the DMCA?
by Steve Schear 02 Jan '03

02 Jan '03

At 10:52 AM 1/2/2003 -0800, Declan McCullagh wrote: >http://news.com.com/2010-1028-978636.html > > Perspective: Will this land me in jail? > By Declan McCullagh > December 23, 2002, 4:00 AM PT > > WASHINGTON--It's not every day that I fret about committing a string > of federal felonies that could land me in prison until sometime in > 2008. It seems that in the interest of having a cute story to write you've boxedourself in the corner so you needn't provide anything really useful to your readers. Why didn't you just anonymously post the passwords in alt.anonymous or send it to John Young and tell your readers a little birdie told me? Sheesh! steve

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QM, Bell's Inequality and Quantum Cryptosystems
by Anonymous 02 Jan '03

02 Jan '03

"Easy, the particles are correlated at birth. *they* know what their orientation is, it is fixed at birth. The math says *we* don't know." No. Bell's inequality tells us that there are no "hidden variables". It's not that we don't know the value of the measureable prior to wavefunction collapse...the specific measureable doesn't exist prior to wavefunction collapse. When Bell formulated the testable inequality circa 1980, and then it was experimentally violated (the inequality, that is, not the theory behind it), it became accepted within physics that (as expected) wavefunction collapse determines (right then and there) the value of observables, forcing the universe to choose, according to the probabilities. (Of course, this was basically understood from QM's beginnings, but prior to John Bell's work we couldn't actually test that this was reality.) (I would argue that this was one of the necessary conceptual pieces needed for people to trust the notion of quantum cryptography.) Taking a measurement (whether acidentally or on purpose) forces the quantum system to "choose" instantaneously. Einstein understood this aspect of Quantum Mechanics so well that he and 'P' and 'R' concocted the EPR gedanken to show that this implies what is effectively "action at a distance"...the different pieces of a quantum system, even far removed, spontaneously 'know' about the other parts. (In fact, I would bet that Einstein's original complaints about QM's action-at-a-distance may have been what prompted the reactionary fad of 'well, QM is merely a useful calculational tool...) But in the end, as strange and unreasonable as this action-at-a-distance may be, it's now regularly seen in the laboratory. (Even wierder are the 'quantum eraser' and other bizarre behaviors). -TD

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Re: Nevada Supreme Court rules suspect must give police ID
by Anonymous 02 Jan '03

02 Jan '03

On Thu, 2 Jan 2003 10:26:40 -0500, you wrote: > > http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2002/Dec-21-Sat-2002/news/20327620.h… > > > Las Vegas Review Journal > > Saturday, December 21, 2002 > Hiibel refused to identify himself during a May 2000 stop just outside of > Winnemucca because he did not believe he did anything wrong. After Dove > asked him 11 times to produce identification, Hiibel was arrested. The law > requires people to identify themselves to police when ordered to do so. > Hiibel later was convicted in district court of resisting and obstructing a > police officer in carrying out his duties. He appealed that verdict -- and > a fine of $320 -- to the Supreme Court. So if you are sitting on a public park bench in Nevada, with no ID that you can "produce" on your person, and you so inform an officer asking you for ID, are you now guilty of "resisting and obstructing a police officer" in the state of Nevada? Should you wear your ID with a neck chain, when showering, for example, to avoid the possibility of "resisting and hindering", or would it be reasonable to simply wait for your chip implantation? We need to remember that police officers are not here to protect our freedom, rather we are here to protect their safety, and we just have to accept the destruction of the Bill of Rights and other risks, so they can be safer. We must understand that police don't exist to make us safe, rather we exist to make police safe. Do we get a badge or something? Bagpipes playing when they shoot the remaining tatters of the 6th amendment? Home of the surveilled, land of the cowards, God bless America. Please tune into your TV now for the next Homeland Security threat warning. Be afraid.

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Re: biological systems and cryptography
by Michael Cardenas 02 Jan '03

02 Jan '03

On Tue, Dec 31, 2002 at 12:23:51PM -0800, Tim May wrote: > On Tuesday, December 31, 2002, at 11:41 AM, Michael Cardenas wrote: > > >How do you all see the future use of biologically based systems > >affecting cryptography in general? > > > >By biologically based systems I mean machine learning, genetic > >algorithms, chips that learn (like Carver Mead's work), neural > >networks, vecor support machines, associative memory, etc. > > Strong crypto is, ipso facto, resistant to all of the above. For the > obvious reason that the specific solution to a cipher is like a Dirac > delta function (a spike) rising above a featureless plain, this in > terms of the usual hill-climbing or landscape-learning models which all > of the above use in one form or another. > People do break cyphers, by finding weaknesses in them. Are you saying that you think that current cyphers are unbreakable? Also, what about using biological systems to create strong cyphers, not to break them? > Cryptanalysis of weak crypto, in terms of mundane things like > passphrase guessing, finding images tagged with stego code, etc., > already in some cases makes use of these tools. Bob Baldwin's > Crytpographer's Workbench used learning algorithms a long time ago. > > Strong math wins out over weak crypto any day, and attempting to brute > force a cipher with even a swimming pool full of Adleman machines will > not work: if a 400-digit number takes, for instance, a million Pentium > 4 years to brute force factor, then how long does a 600-digit number > take? > > (And using larger RSA moduli is of course trivial...) > > Homework: Using the estimates Schneier, Diffie, Hellman, and others > have made for the number of computer operations to break ciphers of > various kinds, describe a reasonable cipher and modulus or key length > which will take more energy than there is in the entire universe to > break. The answer, in terms of how small the key or modulus is, may > surprise you. > It seems that all of these analyses assume that an instruction is a single mathematical operation in a turing machine. What if each operation was something else? I refuse to believe that the human mind is just a turing machine. -- michael cardenas | lead software engineer, lindows.com hyperpoem.net | GNU/Linux software developer people.debian.org/~mbc | encrypted email preferred "It is as hard to see one's self as to look backwards without turning around." - Henry David Thoreau [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature]

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Re: Dossiers and Customer Courtesy Cards
by Mike Rosing 02 Jan '03

02 Jan '03

On Wed, 1 Jan 2003, Todd Boyle wrote: > Its not enough to put the chips next to the beer. They want > to examining the layout of all their shelf space. > The cash register data alone, is enough to do this, but > it doesn't work very well for shoppers who come and > buy chips on tuesday and beer on wednesday. The > card lets them associate your whole shopping cart > for the month. It's a nice idea, but they have several people on one card. When my kids are teenagers, they'll have the same card I and my wife have. So they have whole families in that data mix. I'd think they would try to correlate the cash register data with each person - the kids are in the candy corner, the dad is getting the beer and mom is getting the chips. Doesn't seem like a very simple problem to me! Patience, persistence, truth, Dr. mike

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List of documents from ILETS 97 seminar on lawful interception
by Bo Elkjaer 02 Jan '03

02 Jan '03

The following is a documentlist obtained from the danish ministry of information technology and science concerning the international law enforcement telecommunications seminar ILETS 97 held january 1997 in Dublin. I haven't been able to locate the documents listed and all FOIA-requests concerning the documents have consequently been denied under exceptions concerning national security and Denmarks relations to foreign governments. Anyhow, since only a few tidbits of information have surfaced from the ILETS seminars over the years I thought that the documentlist still might be interesting enough to be worth publishing. Yours Bo Elkjaer, Denmark Aktliste vedr. ILETS 1997 IT- og forskningsministeriet 27. november 2001 IT-politisk Kontor jgu Sagsnr. 16556 Dok.id 111833 Nr. Dokumenttitel 1 Notat vedr, rapport fra ILETS 1997 2 Telefax vedlagt ILETS Technical Newsletter fra Royal Canadian Mounted Police 3 Dokument ref. 1/1 - agenda items 4 & 5 - Standing Technical Commitee, Lawful Interception of Satellite Telecommunications (S-PCS) 4 Participants List - incl, adresser, tlf, og fax. 5 Programme for ILETS 1997 - 3.-6. februar 1997 6 National developments since ILETS 1995 - Australia 7 Belgian document -- Intercept of Communications - Belgian situated Report jan. 97 8 The state of telecommunications intercept in Canada 9 Report on developments in the European Union since November 1995 in relation to lawful interception of telecommunications 10 Appendix 1 - Resolution of the council of the European Union of 17 January, 1995 on the lawful interception of telecommunications as published in the official journal of the European Communities 11 Appendix 2 - mobile satelite 12 Contribution to agenda A 3 - National developments since ILETS 1995 in Germany 13 National developments since ILETS 1995 in Luxembourg 14 Telecommunications developments in the Netherlands. 15 Hong Kong Developments Post-Canberra 16 United States Telecommunications developments 17 ILETS 1997 - workshop 1 - - Interception outside national boundaries - SPCS Contacts/technical information 18 Interception costs - who ultimately pays the cost - Law inforcement Agency (G/A) or Network Operator/Service provider_(NO/SP) 19 The interception of telecommunications in the United Kingdom - developments since ILETS 1995 20 Workshop i - lawful interception outside national boundaries - outcomes agenda item 5 21 ILETS 1997 - standing technical committee, Dublin February 1997 - report on Technical matters affecting interception 22 Participants List Workshop 3 & 4 23 Paper on regulatory intent concerning use of encryption on public networks 24 Contribution to workshop 2 (encryption) of the ILETS 1997 - Bonn 29 January 1997 25 Policy - legal access to keys held by trusted third parties: international aspects 26 UK delegation paper global handover interface specification (GloHIS) Current position and way forward 27 Workshop 3 - New technical Issues - List for discussion - Denmark 28 Paper of the preparatory meeting on interception in the Hague, the 25th and 26th November 29 Information from the expert Sub Group (technical) 30 Lawful interception of satellite personal communications systems 31 Note circulated by Germany on the lawful interception af satellite communications. 32 Liason between the providers of telecommunication and law enforcement agencies - the UK experience 33 International law enforcement telecommunication seminar - contribution from the Netherlands delegation 34 German contribution for workshop 1 35 Workshop 3: DC Office Contact Information 36 View to the adoption of decision no ../96/EC of the European Parliament and of the council on a coordinated authoryzation approach in the field of satellite personal-communication services in the community 37 Standing technical committee - report on technical matters affecting interception 38 Australien call tracing specification 39 Source: Netherlands - Proposal to amend the international user Requirements published in ENFOPOL 90 40 Workshop 4: Draft letter to non EU participants in the informal international law enforcement telecommunications seminar - council resolution af 17 January 1995 on the lawful interception of telecommunications and internationsl support for the requirements annexed to the resolution 41 Summary of replies to questionnary on the integration of the council resolution of 17 January 1995 intro national law (GJ No C329, 4.11.1996, p1) 42 Letter enclosed declaration relating to law enforcements international user reguierements_for_telecommunication_interception 43 Dissemination of the international user requirement 44 Final List - Members of the council 45 UK delegation paper - expert working group on the international interception user reguirements (JUR) amendment proposal 46 Svar pa sporgsmal nr. 490-493 fra Folketingets Retsudvalg vedr. ILETS - alm. del -bilag 1194 47 Svar pa Folketingssporgsmal nr. 495 alm. del bilag 1209 -- EOT

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Re: Specifismo.
by Chuck0 01 Jan '03

01 Jan '03

I'm failing to understand what it so new about "specifismo." I've been arguing for a strategy like this for many years, as have many anarchists. It sounds like something related to "practical anarchism" and "ecumenical anarchism" which have been focuses of my work for many years. I think the anarchist emphasis on practical daily struggles, creating counter institutions, and long term resistance to the state and capitalism, is what sets anarchism apart from vanguardist socialism. If Albert and other leftists are finally accepting anarchist ideas and methodology, that sounds good to me. Chuck0 Matthew X wrote: > > To: anarchy_africa(a)yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [anarchy_africa] > Anarcho-socialism? > > I'm pretty new to the list, so I don't know how much of this has been > said before, but I have a couple things to add on the issue of > sectarianism. First, I think some Latin American anarchists, under the > banner of specifismo, have begun to fashion an anarchist practice that > avoids sectarianism. It posits that since not everyone has the same > structural position in the world, not everyone needs to organize > themselves along the same lines. Not everyone fits the "worker" mold- > the unemployed, the marginalized, etc. Also, it encourages anarchists to > both organize as anarchists within anarchist organizations and become > deeply involved, as anarchists, within worthwhile social movements that > are not explicitly anarchist (such as the landless movement in Brazil, > Sem Terra). Brazilian anarchists are organizing a promising new > federation only open to those who accept specifismo, precisely because, > I think, sectarianism was a problem in previous attempts at federation. > Although more has been written in anarchist > journalshttp://www.ainfos.ca/02/feb/ainfos00489.html > (He has also written very interesting articles about the history of > nonwestern anarchism and the World Social Forum in Brazil > http://www.geocities.com/ringfingers/nonwesternweb.html > http://www.zmag.org/content/VisionStrategy/AdamsWSF.cfm) > Second, I think it is very crucial for anarchists to affirm a > multiplicity of analysis, organizations and visions of a future world. > There is no reason why one ultra-specific set of analyses must be > accepted by everyone, as long as everyone is united in fundamental > opposition the state, capitalism and all other forms of hierarchy and > oppresssion. A multiplicity of anarchist styles, emphases and organizing > practices would seem necessary for people's unique situations and > creativity to be recognized and valorized. Similarly, there is no reason > to insist that one single social structure or set of social structures > must dominate a post-revolutionary world (the cause of much > sectarianism). It would seem to be an implicit principle of a consistent > anarchism that, during and after any anarchist revolution worth the > name, each community will be able to decide what kind of nonhierarchical > social organization they would like to make use of, and what kind of > federations they'd like to be involved in. As the (not expliciAnyway, > just a couple thoughts. > Jesse > "robbo203 <RRobincox(a)aol.com>" <RRobincox(a)aol.com> wrote:Hi everyone > > One reason - possibly a major one - why the non-market anti-statist > sector has made such little headway, has to do with the ingrained, > almost institutionalised, sectarianism that has afflicted this > sector. Lets face it, most of us belong to, or are associated with, > tiny little groups , some even tinier than others, with little or no > cooperation going on between them. Its as if some Inverse (or should > I say, "perverse") Law of Political Affinity operates in some cases: > the degree of political hostility shown towards one another increases > in proportion to the narrowness of the ideological gap between one > another. Which of course, is a very sad state of affairs: this is > precisely what helps to keep our sector small and ineffectual and > more intent upon gazing at its navel than changing the world > Perhaps the major sectarian divide is between "socialists" > and "anarchists". Clearly, there are many "anarchists" > and "socialists" who do not fall within the non-market anti-statist > sector and obviously the question of co-operation with such > individuals and groups is fundamentally problematic. That said, > there are a diverse range of anarchist and socialist groups who > clearly do fall within the non-market anti-socialist sector and it is > with such groups and individuals that I am concerned. > It seems to me that one of the ways in which sectarianism is > perpetuated is through the labeling and pidgeonholing of our > respective positions. That being so we can perhaps help to bring > about a more inclusive and colloborative approach by redefining our > basic orientation. Which is why I would like to recommend the term > anarcho-socialism (or, alternatively, anarcho-communism)for general > usgae in preference to terms such as "anarchism" or "socialism". > It seems to me that this more effectively highlights the fact, as far > as "socialists" in our sector are concerned, that the kind > of "socialist" society we are after will be one in which there will > be no government or state (the "executive committee of the ruling > class") - as suggested by the prefix "anarcho-" - thereby > distinguishing this kind of "socialism" from what most people have in > mind which has perhaps been irrevocably besmirched by its (mis) > association with state tyranny. Conversely, as far as "anarchists" > in our sector are concerned, it would be advantageous for them to > more effectively distance themselves from others who likewise claim > to be anarchists e.g. the anarcho-capitalists, by firmly grounding > their anarchism in a non-capitalist context. > I raise this as a suggestion but would be interested to hear what > others might have to say on the matter.... > Best regards > Robin > World in Common group > FORUM: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/worldincommon/ > WEBSITE (temporary): http://www.angelfire.com/folk/wic/ > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT > ------ > >From the African anarchism list to send a message email > anarchy_africa(a)yahoogroups.com > http://struggle.ws/africa.html > Find out about others on the list and add your info > in the polls and bookmarks sections > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/anarchy_africa > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------ > >From the African anarchism list to send a message email > anarchy_africa(a)yahoogroups.com > http://struggle.ws/africa.html > Find out about others on the list and add your info > in the polls and bookmarks sections > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/anarchy_africa > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- Chuck0 ------------------------------------------------------------ Personal homepage -> http://chuck.mahost.org/ Infoshop.org -> http://www.infoshop.org/ MutualAid.org -> http://www.mutualaid.org/ Alternative Press Review -> http://www.altpr.org/ Practical Anarchy Online -> http://www.practicalanarchy.org/ Anarchy: AJODA -> http://www.anarchymag.org/ "The state can't give you free speech, and the state can't take it away. You're born with it, like your eyes, like your ears. Freedom is something you assume, then you wait for someone to try to take it away. The degree to which you resist is the degree to which you are free..." ---Utah Phillips

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re:constant encryped stream
by Mike Rosing 01 Jan '03

01 Jan '03

On Wed, 1 Jan 2003, Eugen Leitl wrote: > I have a related question. I have a little server sitting in a wall > closet. Does anyone have an easy solution (preferably low tech) for > figuring out that the closet door has been opened? from a kids cartoon a couple weeks ago: put a bowl of marbles next to the door. All but one the same color. Whoever spills the marbles doesn't know where you put the "wrong" one (nor how many there were if you can put a few holes in the floor :-) Patience, persistence, truth, Dr. mike

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Re: Dossiers and Customer Courtesy Cards
by Mike Rosing 01 Jan '03

01 Jan '03

On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, Tim May wrote: > * I expect most uses of "customer courtesy cards" are to try to get > some kind of brand loyalty going. People thinking "Well, I have a card > at Albertson's, but not at Safeway, so I'll go to Albertson's." They'd love that, but know better. > * Dossier-compiling does not seem to be the motivation...at least not > yet. The data are too sparse, it seems to me. I don't know if people > who "honestly" gave a name and mailing address, and whose data were > keypunched accurately, are getting the "targeted mailings" for Midol, > Attends, Trojans, etc. that the technology can support. Well, my wife has gotten 2 (!) flower pots for being the "in top 10 spenders" at our local grocery store. They delivered to our door. Couldn't do that if it wasn't a real address. They do print out coupons based on products purchased - they try to get you to buy competitors brands. I don't know how much the competitors pay for this service, but it's definitly tied into purchase patterns. What will Ridge do with that info? Who knows, but it ain't good. > * Dossier compiling at grocery stores is not very useful for Big > Brother, either. Who consumes Midol, Attends, Trojans, etc. is not > interesting even to George Bush and Dick Cheney. And few hardware or > electrical supply stores have courtesy cards. In any case, no > requirement to use cards, etc. But we have a military division devoted to psychowar. I would assume they'd use brand and product tracing to get a handle on how to freak people out. > * All in all, not a very interesting example of ID and tracking. Things > will get much more interesting, and worrisome, if there is ever a > national ID system (in the U.S.) and some kind of legislated > requirement (albeit unconstitutional!) that citizen-units must ID > themselves with valid ID for all purchases, or at least of certain > classes of purchases (beyond guns, for example). > > I don't see this happening in the next 15 years unless some major new > terrorist incident occurs. It will. The dictatorship isn't quite as complete as they'd like. Patience, persistence, truth, Dr. mike

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Re: I Crypto U and your files
by Steve Schear 01 Jan '03

01 Jan '03

At 01:40 PM 12/27/2002 +0100, Eugen Leitl wrote: >On Thu, 26 Dec 2002, Anonymous wrote: > > > to have an encrypted tunnel materialize through blacknet, but I > > strongly doubt this will scale to millions of users very well. > >Instead of doubting, try creating a model that might work, and test drive >it in the simulator with millions of nodes. Have any on the list looked carefully at Tarzan? http://www.pdos.lcs.mit.edu/tarzan/index.html steve

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