July 2002 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Atmospheric noise & fair coin flipping
by Optimizzin Al-gorithym 14 Jul '02

14 Jul '02

At 05:45 AM 7/14/02 -0700, gfgs pedo wrote: >it is said that atmospheric noise is random but how >can we say for sure. Physics, chaos, the growth of initial uncertainty as systems evolve, energy/time required to make measurements to arbitrary precision. >what if the parameters giverning atmospheric noise >vary frm time 2 time. The rules of physics are those that don't change from time to time, or place to place. Certainly the e.g., wind speed does. >so can we say atmospheric noise is random or a coin >flipping is random-only because it passes die hard >test or other randomness tests-which is an indicator >of randomness with the current defenition of >parameters in determing randomness? No, since 'anything through a whitener passes' these tests. The integers (0, 1, 2..) fed into DES will pass. (Equivalently) A low-entropy source fed into a hash will pass. [Historical note: this is why Intel should make its raw RNG data available in chips with whitened-output RNG functions] To have a true RNG, You *must* have a physical understanding of the source of entropy whence you distill the pure bits (whether or not you feed it into a whitener after distillation). Precisely because a 'black box' may be a deterministic (if you know the secret) PRNG. By 'distill' I mean reduce N bits to M, N > M, in such a way as to increase the entropy of the resultant M bits. >is there truly random or that we can say with certain >degre of confidence that they are nearly random as all >current evidence poits so. 'Random' should be taken to mean 'ignorant of'. It suffices that we (and our adversary) are ignorant of the detailed conditions inside a noise diode, unstable atomic nucleus, atmospheric (or FM radio) noise receiver, etc. Philosophical discussions about 'true randomness' ("Is there a deeper/smaller level of description in which apparently-random events are based or emerge from?") are beyond the scope of this rant.

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Tax consequences of becoming a US citizen
by Nomen Nescio 14 Jul '02

14 Jul '02

On Tue, Jul 09, at 02:02PM, Tim May wrote: > > Also, a person having extensive offshore (outside the U.S.) > > assets may well find his assets are now taxable in the U.S. > > And for those with capital assets not taxed in their home > > countries (e.g., Germany, Japan), this may be quite a shock. On 9 Jul 2002 at 18:40, Gabriel Rocha wrote: > This applies wether he is a US citizen or not, green card holder > or not, Sealand citizen or not. Once the IRS sinkstheir claws > into you, you're screwed. Are you saying that if someone is legally resident in the US for a while, the US IRS will attempt to get his assets all over the world forever? I find this hard to believe.

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14 Jul '02

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14 Jul '02

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Re: IP: SSL Certificate "Monopoly" Bears Financial Fruit
by jamesd＠echeque.com 14 Jul '02

14 Jul '02

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Fakes... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 13 Jul '02

13 Jul '02

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 20:14:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Dardani Boletus <gurglingrainless2(a)yahoo.com> To: owner-cypherpunks(a)einstein.ssz.com Subject: Fakes... There is something extremely wrong with every single person in this world. They seem to be part of a pointless simulation. "The Matrix" has portrayed this idea somewhat, yet we watch it and go back to our daily lives. Yet in this very life, underneath the seeming diversity in people's opinions, values, talents, and interests, there is something that makes everyone the same. It is as though this planet is populated only by mindless fakes, objects that provide the appearance of intellect on the surface but are based on only mechanical reflexes and primitive thought patterns. I don't really care if anything I say has been said before, if it was portrayed in movies, in books, or in the lyrics of some useless song. With 6 billion people covering the globe at any given time, thousands and thousands of years of written literature, probability dictates almost any combination of words has occurred numerous times. Yet there is clear evidence there was no action, so those words, just like the people who spoke them, must have been just more fakes. I am forced to use this language (also created by the fakes) because there is no alternative, so everything I write here could be misunderstood to make me sound like one of them, but it will be the action that I take and the dedication that will separate me from them. In my estimation the fakes that occupy this planet don't make up 99%, but more like 99.9999999% of the population. I know this because I've searched, and in my search have so far only found one true ally (I have found him via the internet as well). But even with those numbers we would not give up because there is no logic in giving up. The people on this planet are all fakes because the societies have made them this way. Ideas that populate people's minds have no logic or purpose. Concepts such as religion, god, morality, individualism, freedom, identity, happiness, love and billions of others are all just memes. Like parasites they infect the minds and spread from one person to the next. They have no point or purpose; they exist without any logical basis or foundation. The fakes are completely controlled by them, and they will never see beyond them. To not be controlled by them one must do more then just realize that they exist. One must resist any ideas that have no point, endlessly question, and never accept imperfection or compromise in any answer. We (myself and my ally) are different though. While we have had the limitation of existing only in these societies, something has made it possible for us to resist being indoctrinated into becoming one of those fakes. We have no arbitrary wants, needs, desires, or preferences. If this world continues to exist the way it is then nothing in it will ever have a point. It will always be just a product of random evolution, one with no importance or relevance. The only logical goal is to dedicate our lives to increasing our numbers, those that aren't fakes, so that in thousands of years our numbers may be such that the fakes would no longer be a threat to progress. Those that join us must see every other person occupying this planet as the enemy, and us as their only allies. Like us they must have dedication only to taking the most logical action, and to nothing else. To tell you more about us, we've posted some personal information about ourselves on a website. You'll also find past responses to us on that webpage. Obviously anyone reading this email is most likely just another fake. Do not simply reply to this email, if you do your message will almost certainly be ignored. If you do wish to communicate, first demonstrate your interest by taking the effort to find us online, one of the ways to do that is described below. Use a major search engine to search for every combination of any two words from the list below. The order of the words shouldn't matter as long as you do not search for them in quotes, but generally it should be clear what words can go together and in what order. Also when you pick the right combination you shouldn't need to look at more then the first matches. There are actually at least 7 (or more) different combinations and websites you can find by searching this list. The one you should contact will clearly say it is the 'communication' page and will have three forms to fill out. Mention what sites you did find, the more effort it seems you took the more likely we would believe in your dedication. There is no trick to this and this isn't meant to be quick, it should, however, be fairly clear if/when you find the right site. The following search engines were verified by us, please use any of them as other search engines may simply not list us correctly: Yahoo, Google, InfoSeek, Lycos, MSN, LookSmart, HotBot, InfoSpace, Ask.com, AllTheWeb, Teoma, WebCrawler, AltaVista, AOL Search, Netscape Search, Dogpile. perfect pointless theory endless desire defiance eternal wants logic competitive driving perpetual competition impartial vision logical meaningless teenage infinite dream final best escape fury objective purpose thought indoctrination only ambition clue view perfection If this can't be solved, or if you never reach us, there should be no reason for you to give up as we will never give up and thus there will always be some way to find us. -------------- Ryan and Jacob __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com

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13 Jul '02

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DEEP THROAT DONKEY
by Tamara 13 Jul '02

13 Jul '02

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SNEAK PEEK AT THE GOOD STUFF
by Elizabeth 13 Jul '02

13 Jul '02

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by Jim Choate 13 Jul '02

13 Jul '02

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