November 2002 - cypherpunks-legacy

stego building
by Tarapia Tapioco 24 Nov '02

24 Nov '02

There is a huge concrete building, hardly any windows, occupying the whole block-width between Market and Mission streets in san francisco, one side being 11th street. Funny thing is that it has no markings at all. The main entrance seems to be at 14xx Market, with visible security. Any clues appreciated.

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Re: Video Mules: (Was: Re: Psuedo-Private Key (eJazeera) )
by Eugen Leitl 24 Nov '02

24 Nov '02

On Sun, 24 Nov 2002, Morlock Elloi wrote: > Isn't all snail mail already irradiated ? Then soon. It's not, because electron accelerators are a) expensive b) tend to damage mail. Besides, the few ug or ng dry DNA in the microdot is not a living being. It can remain readable at ridiculously high dosages.

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24 Nov '02

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Re: TIA presentation
by Tyler Durden 24 Nov '02

24 Nov '02

>Poindexter is no dummy. And criticism of TIA based on his past felony >trial, the basis of William Safire's main attack, is on the wrong track. >Would TIA be more acceptable if it were being pushed by a true Boy Scout? >Of course not. Yeah, I was wondering when someone was going to comment on this. Methinks the whole Pointdexter bit, particularly in this context, a little fishy...a trial balloon perhaps? "How much are you little frightened people willing to give up in order to let us strong/smart leaders protect you?" >Much of the TIA plan has resonances with long-discussed Cypherpunk issues: >local trust formation, various types of interaction, belief networks. The >difference is that TIA wants Men with Guns (TM) to control the formation >and distribution of these belief networks, whereas Cypherpunks understand >that the formation will be largely anarchic and will ultimately undermine >central authority in the usual ways. A lot could be said here, and has been I'm sure. As I continue to do my "homework", its becomming increasingly clear to me that things like public key were only a mattter of time, both from the ease-of-implementation standpoint, as well as the sheer historical/economic/technological "obviousness" and necessity of it. In this sense, NSA appears like many big organizations I've worked for: out of touch with many emerging aspects of reality due to an internal culture that quickly recognizes those who aren't going to tow the line. The only thing they can do is slow things down. Crypto-based virtual structures will inevitably arise if for no other reason than there's going to be a lot of $$$ in it (kinda ironic, I think...). HOWEVER, the conspiracy theorist in me still wonders if all of "this" was not precisely because it was recognized that we are rapidly passing through the point of no return. This "Illuminati" may have decided drastic measures were needed "in order to save all that we hold dear"(which in their case means control of the unempowered and unwashed masses by the powerful). No, I don't think I believe this, but the circumstantial evidence is compelling enough so as to demand careful evaluation. >Granted, many of us hope for the promised tactical nuke which destroys >much of Big Brother's infrastructure in Washington (plus removes a million >or so inner city welfare mutants). This would set back BB and accelerate >trends in our direction. Uh..."hope for"? Surely if things ever come to where somthing as terrible as this could reasonably be hoped for, it is only after all possible alternatives have been pursued. And as far as I'm concerned, if a computer I can purchase from Circuit City is now powerful enough for the (completely decentralized!) peer-to-peer sharing of massive files and heavy crypto, then it looks to me like it's just a matter of time until many of the objectionable activities become not only obviously pointless, but suprisingly out-of-funds. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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RE: TIA presentation
by Blanc 24 Nov '02

24 Nov '02

How sort of amusing it is to read this, from the site: "It is not sufficient that we put the pieces together after the fact, it is essential that we understand terrorist plans ahead of time so that we may prevent or preempt." Yet how many times have I heard & read in the news, sometime after an earth-shaking criminal event, of the warnings received, alarm notices given, or notice taken of strangely suspicious activities which preceded and foretold of the upcoming event. It often seems that advance notice has been practically dropped in the lap of those who were in position to deal with it. Yet the ones receiving these info bits were not able to process the data so as to realize there was something heinous and destructive in the works. Or if they were able to grok these data bits, they could not get others in the defense business to make the connection, to take the items seriously enough to follow up on them, or to be able to select, out of the mountains of data they already receive, the ones of impending significance. "DARPA is in a position to take high risks and think boldly about what can be done to solve this national problem." To expect that crime will be prevented or preempted ahead of time by people who are not able to grok the meaning of what they get? It cannot be the computer base, which needs a monumental overhaul of its "cognitive amplification functions". It seems that some problems are too easy when it only requires simple real-time connectivity, and too easy to miss - but if they are made to appear harder, requiring "boldness" (courage) and "high risk" (responsibility), then certain official organizations can be made to appear to be attending to, now, what they did not/could not, before. And still they continue to place exceeding dependence upon the machine. It also does seem that someone is creating the opportunity for a "monumental" position for themselves, laying the ground work for a hierarchy of personal control and self-aggrandizing importance. .. Blanc

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by zhuweifeng 24 Nov '02

24 Nov '02

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Re: TIA presentation
by Mike Rosing 24 Nov '02

24 Nov '02

On Sat, 23 Nov 2002, Tim May wrote: > Interesting logo/symbol the Information Awareness Office has: the > Illuminati-inspired eye in the pyramid looking down on the entire world. And check out the comment at the bottom: A lot of initiatives have been started since 911, but DARPA is in a position to take high risks and think boldly about what can be done to solve this national problem. We can not tolerate more 911?a. The solution is truly ?DARPA hard.? Talk about "new speak". Or are all Masons this nuts? > Poindexter is no dummy. And criticism of TIA based on his past felony > trial, the basis of William Safire's main attack, is on the wrong > track. Would TIA be more acceptable if it were being pushed by a true > Boy Scout? Of course not. Congress actually noticed, that was nice. > Granted, many of us hope for the promised tactical nuke which destroys > much of Big Brother's infrastructure in Washington (plus removes a > million or so inner city welfare mutants). This would set back BB and > accelerate trends in our direction. > > But, alas, I doubt thermonuclear pest removal is in the cards. So it > will take longer. nuclear powered weapons don't need to expend all their energy in 10 nanoseconds. 10 guys with plasma swords could be pretty effective at pest removal. Besides, you got a lot more offices to clean out than just one city. But voting is easier. Patience, persistence, truth, Dr. mike

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Re: Short story?
by Tyler Durden 24 Nov '02

24 Nov '02

No, I haven't read that story, but I was wondering if, in the dual-message cryptogram we've been discussing (under "eJazeera") if, instead of two messages, there are two executable files.The "true" one will spit out the desired message (which may in inself be an executable, of course), and the fake one belches up a trojan, or whatever (or a virus plus a viable fake message). I assume this kind of thing has been discussed previously? >From: Adam Shostack <adam(a)homeport.org> >To: cypherpunks(a)lne.com >Subject: Short story? >Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 15:22:41 -0500 > >I'm trying to remember details (author, title) of a short story that I >read once. Its main feature, or the one that's standing out in my >mind, is the obsessive hacker who studies a target to figure out his >password, at which he only has one guess. The zinger is that the very >security concious target has selected that password as a booby trap, >and there's a second password which our hacker doesn't have. > >Does this ring a bell for anyone? > >Adam > >-- >"It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once." > -Hume _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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23 Nov '02

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23 Nov '02

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