January 2002 - cypherpunks-legacy

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by h21023＠excite.de 07 Jan '02

07 Jan '02

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Re: Spooky noises and things that go bump in the night
by mattd 07 Jan '02

07 Jan '02

>>Someone stealing a television or PC has certainly earned killing. This is what strong crypto will make more possible: the deliverance of strong vengeance, untraceably. (Hint: This preceeded Jimbell by many years.)<< "extremely dark markets",and one of the "four horsemen" if memory serves you well as it doesn't appear to. Hint-Tim hates being superceded. >>Fact is, many people have already earned killing. The only reason we cannot dispose of them is that liberal shits interfere with vengeance.<< We white gun owning right thinking anarcho-crapitalists? You wont live long in crypto-anarchy. >>Again, my mileage varies. And since I decide what is important to me, it's "my house, my rules."<< Don't let anyone in the way the previous owners did. >>I don't mind that a lot of people are liberal pansies<< Tim was bitching about his state,(cali) 5 years ago,AT LEAST.He hasn't yet moved to Montana where men are men. >>who believe thieves are not worthy of killing. However, if they help to pass laws restricting my own choices, then they have earned killing themselves. Certainly nearly every member, with but a handful of exceptions, of Congress has earned the death penalty many times over. --Tim May<< APster style? Put up or shut up May,you are a waste of OOO's and 111's.

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Only users lose drugs.
by mattd 07 Jan '02

07 Jan '02

Subject: Only Users Lose Drugs... [WAS!WAS: Chronicles of Arnold 0000 0011] Gee, I sure hope no one posts this to the CypherPukes Disturbed Male LISP... [WAS: "Please, Br'er Fox, Don't Throw Me In That Liar Patch"] HGWells - New World Order - Cira(SS) 1940 "One of the more unpleasant aspects of a state of war under modern conditions is the appearance of a swarm of individuals, too clever by half, in positions of authority. Excited, conceited, prepared to lie, distort and generally humbug people into states of acquiescence, resistance, indignation, vindictiveness, doubt and mental confusion, states of mind supposed to be conductive to a final military victory. These people love to twist and censor facts. It gives them a feeling of power; if they cannot create they can at least prevent and conceal. Particularly they poke themselves in between us and the people with whom we are at war to distort any possible reconciliation. They sit, filled with the wine of their transitory powers, aloof from the fatigues and dangers of conflict, pulling imaginary strings in people's minds." The more the stains on the back of the world's shorts change, the more they remain the same... ~ButtMonger #05987-196 [Herb Caen 3Dot-Plagerist &OR& TCM PlonkFile Naturalized Citizen] "Anarchy! Together, We Can Make It Happen"

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Re: Spooky noises
by Anonymous 07 Jan '02

07 Jan '02

Petro spoke: > There are 3 cases why one would keep a loaded firearm in the house > for self defense--well, at least three, but three general cases is all I > can think of off the top of my head: Why wouldn't you keep loaded guns in the house? Guns should always be loaded, and everyone made aware of it. My kids were raised knowing they were always loaded, and they were never "hidden" or locked up. They also were allowed to shoot them, and often. They also had guns of their own which they could shoot and were allowed to play with under supervision. I've never, in all my life, as far as I know, ever lived in a house without loaded guns in it. At least as far back as I can remember, my Daddy's guns were loaded, at least the pistols. Mine always have been, and always will be. If you raise your kids to be stupid about loaded guns, or any other dangerous tool -- well, I guess Darwin had a point.

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Spooky noises
by Anonymous User 07 Jan '02

07 Jan '02

At 02:07 PM 1/6/02 -0800, Petro wrote: > Second, what makes you aware that there is someone in your home? >Usually it's noises they are making (I would assume). Have you ever >listened to your house at night? Every place I've lived there are all >sorts of mechanical noises off and on all night long. Which your nervous system has learned. Other sounds it hasn't. The subtle click of the cocker engaging will (a) be >lost in the other noises and (b) is innocuous enough that they probably >won't. Yes, since the invaders have not learned what's 'normal'. If it was something I worried about (I don't keep a loaded >firearm in the house for home protection at this point, I'm not high >enough profile for the Feebs or the BATF to want to raid my "compound", >nor am I a sufficient irritant to the local Gestapo, and my neighborhood >is relative free of home burglary/home invasion type crimes that I feel >it is better to keep the guns in a locker than on my bedside table) Me too, similar circumstance, with a kid in the house too, though I'm a little ashamed to admit it -its like decrying those who don't get vaccines and then not getting one yourself. But (using the analogy again) maybe the frail shouldn't get vaccinated because of danger to selves. (Assuming rational frail.) I'm thinking about a high-up clock-safe though. Or a more expensive (less reliable) finger-safe by the door. All you P7 heads are too elite for me, but to each their own. I've collected from NAA .22 to a wide (12 round) Makharov to H & K. No .45's; so sue me :-) Ballistopunk

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Re: Orange crush
by Anonymous 07 Jan '02

07 Jan '02

cubic-brain drooled: > Herbicides have existed a hell of a lot longer than 50 years, even > so-called modern chlorinated herbicides have been around since the > late 1800s. Total, absolute, unadulterated bullshit! You must work for the feds to be able to lie that baldfacedly. There were no agri-chemicals before WWII. They tried using asenic as an insecticide early on, but gave up on it rather quickly. At any rate, there were certainly no herbicides before WWII. Sounds like the chem lab experiments you did in high school did a number on your forebrain. Or maybe you can give us a cite?

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Re: Hackers Targeting Home Computers (fwd)
by Steve Schear 07 Jan '02

07 Jan '02

At 09:41 PM 1/7/2002 +0100, Eugene Leitl wrote: >-- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> >______________________________________________________________ >ICBMTO: N48 04'14.8'' E11 36'41.2'' http://www.leitl.org >57F9CFD3: ED90 0433 EB74 E4A9 537F CFF5 86E7 629B 57F9 CFD3 > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 11:15:48 -0800 >From: Hack Hawk <hh(a)hackhawk.net> >To: Kent Borg <kentborg(a)borg.org>, > Eugene Leitl <Eugene.Leitl(a)lrz.uni-muenchen.de>, > cryptography(a)wasabisystems.com >Cc: Hadmut Danisch <hadmut(a)danisch.de>, dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu >Subject: Re: Hackers Targeting Home Computers > >Although I originally used the word filter to describe a possible ISP >action to address certain problems, the following statement from KB was >more what I meant to suggest. And also Lynn Wheeler's statement about >Dynamic IP addresses not being allowed to host HTTP services because it's >not in the consumer/client agreement anyway. Of course these agreements are very much fluid. Can't host a web site (at least using std port nos.) but P2P's OK because its a driver of consumer interest in broadband. steve

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Judge Refuses to Dismiss Tax Payer Lawsuit Against Bank of America
by mean-green＠hushmail.com 07 Jan '02

07 Jan '02

Judge Refuses to Dismiss Tax Payer Lawsuit Against Bank of America Irwin Schiff who is regarded by many as being the Nation's leading authority on the income tax is suing the Bank of America for triple damages for turning over approximately $8,000 of his money to the IRS in response to a Notice a Levy. Third parties, such as banks and employers, that turn over bank accounts and wages to the IRS in response to IRS Notices of Levy are used to having suits brought against them for doing so summarily dismissed. That was not the case on November 13, 2001 in Clark County District Court, Las Vegas, Nevada. http://www.givemeliberty.org/features/taxes/schiff11-15-01.htm

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Neighborhood wireless summit
by Steve Schear 07 Jan '02

07 Jan '02

>The Seattle Wireless Network had a huge meeting yesterday with >presentations by founders and leaders of most of the large wireless >networks in the world. Amazing group of guys, one after another from >BAWUG (www.bawug.org) the London Consume net, NY wireless, BC, >Portland, etc. including developers of the 802.11x specification, >Nocat (http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/wireless/2001/11/09/nocatauth.html) > >These guys are building fabrics that will route at 10Mbps all over their >regions for free. The meeting was streamed over the internet live. >There are photos which you can find in the list archives of Seattle Wireless, >http://www.seattlewireless.net/index.cgi/FrontPage There were approx. >100 people. > >My understanding was these folks had all come to Seattle for meetings, >to working on global coordination of IP spaces, routing, stuff like that. > >There are some fascinating technical differences between the >wireless networks in different cities. > >Driven by circumstances >------------------------ >In the UK for example, Wireless ISPs (WISPs) cannot happen because >802.11 is strictly nonbusiness. And, 802.11 is limited to 10 milliwatts >(1/10th of the US). Internet access is killingly expensive; many APs >are underground activities. > >NY for example has a horrible deficiency in line-of-sight connectivity >between buildings, and a relative surplus of megabit internet access by >corporations so it has mostly access points (APs) hanging off DSL and T1 >lines. > >Driven by culture/technical differences >------------------------------------------ >Seattle generally regards DSL sharing as out of scope and generally >distasteful. Seattle seems to be building a routed network with lots of >APs supported by lots of crosstown links with highly directional >antennas. Seattle says they're just going to build a whole parallel, free, >internet. PersonalTelco in Portland seems to believe in an ideological >purity of omnidirectional antennas, with a long term vision of mesh >networking. I seem to understand Seattle would have Nocat portals as >the prevailing practice? Where Portland would be more like a self- >organized Nokia Rooftop network >http://www.wirelessnewsfactor.com/perl/story/12619.html (Rooftop >constructs mesh networks on the fly. None of the free wireless networks >are anywhere near the "Rooftop" capability.) > >My understanding is that the mathematics of mesh networks and swarmcast >demonstrate an interesting phenomenon that the more nodes who stick >their antenna into the cloud, the more routes appear and there is a >virtuous circle of improving performance. > >Instead of heat death, from congestion you get a virtuous cycle of >greater capacity. Fsckin unbelievable. Unregulated, and all but >unregulatable. Just like oral speech and visual eyesight-- except >having unlimited range. > >I sat next to Tim Pozar, got a free 20-mnute tutorial on long distance >links. His team has transbay links of 15-20 miles in the >http://www.bawug.org community. We need some 5 mile links across >a lake to reach SWN. Tim's a founder of BAWUG and his papers are >at http://www.lns.com/papers/ > >Imagine the possibilities! No. Plan on them. > >Todd > > > > >------ Meeting Announcement -------- > >From: mattw(a)seattlewireless.net >Subject: SeattleWireless: Special Meeting 01/06/2002 > >Sunday! Sunday! Sunday! >Wireless Meeting in Georgetown! > > http://www.seattlewireless.net/?SummitJanuary2002 > >The WirelessSummit is your chance to meet organizers, contributors >vendors and enthusiasts from other wireless groups across the western >world. If you can only make it to one meeting this month, this is the >one >to be at! > >You will hear from group leaders and contributors, See cool hacks, >Check out the latest hardware and software and you may even get FREE >STUFF! > >Which Wireless groups will be represented? > > - BAWUG (San Francisco) > - BCWireless (Vancouver, BC) > - Consume > - NoCat (Sebastapol, CA) > - NYC Wireless (New York City) > - PersonalTelco (Portland) > - Austin Wireless (TX) > - and of course, SeattleWireless :) > >...

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07 Jan '02

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