August 2001 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Voice crypto: the last crypto taboo
by Tim May 06 Aug '01

06 Aug '01

On Monday, August 6, 2001, at 09:05 AM, Eugene Leitl wrote: > On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, David Honig wrote: > >> And nautilus and PGPfone. Maybe on a pocket PC if they have >> decent audio. How do you make money on this approach, though? > > By selling wireless bandwidth? Hardware? Leather accessoires and GUI > skins? Consulting? > > I don't think the apps themselves should be commercial. It only leads to > featuritis, lousy code and backdoors. > >> Interop with an existing PC/Mac based tool might help. > > Definitely. There are, supposedly people out there who do VoIP from > their > desktops, but I never met any. > I have. I've been telephoned by people who used Internet telephony for part of the long-haul, reaching a local line at my end. Sounded slightly tinny, but was OK. And a friend of mine here in California routinely calls his relatives in Chicago over such a link. They can talk for hours at no cost to him. And there was at least one meeting of the Cypherpunks, in around 1993, where three scattered sites (Mountain View, Northern Virginia, Boston/Cambridge) were linked with an "M-bone" voice-over-Internet conference call. Better yet, DES-encrypted. That was 8 years ago. --Tim May

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kuro5hin.org || Retail Stores Beginning to Fingerprint Customers
by Jim Choate 06 Aug '01

06 Aug '01

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Thought-A-Day
by Fountain Of Joy 06 Aug '01

06 Aug '01

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Inferno: Fw: [free-sklyarov] Lessig on WIPO (short) (fwd)
by Jim Choate 06 Aug '01

06 Aug '01

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Any Mouse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erik Moeller" <moeller(a)scireview.de> To: <free-sklyarov(a)zork.net> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 11:31 AM Subject: [free-sklyarov] Lessig on WIPO (short) > Here's the reply I got from Larry Lessig on the relevance of the WIPO > Copyright Treaty to the issues discussed on the list, my original > mail is also quoted below. For more on WIPO, see my summary: > > http://www.infoanarchy.org/?op=displaystory;sid=2001/8/4/53534/20827 > > ------- Forwarded message follows ------- > Date sent: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 19:47:50 -0700 > Subject: Re: WIPO Copyright Treaty > From: Lawrence Lessig <lessig(a)pobox.com> > To: Erik Moeller <moeller(a)scireview.de> > > The treaty does push for DMCA like legislation, but most nations (even > those ratifying the treaty) have not yet enacted DMCA legislation. I > think the WIPO treaty should be opposed, so I do think it would be > good to identify this as a problem. -- > > Lessig > Stanford Law School > Crown Quadrangle > 559 Nathan Abbott Way > Stanford, CA 94305-8610 > 650.736.0999 (vx) > 650.723.8440 (fx) > 415.430.1269 x7727 (e fax) > <http://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/lessig> > mailto:lessig@pobox.com > > > From: "Erik Moeller" <moeller(a)scireview.de> > > Organization: Scientific Review Service > > Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 07:44:31 +0200 > > To: lessig(a)eff.org > > Subject: WIPO Copyright Treaty > > > > Dear Professor Lessig, > > > > as a legal expert who is familiar with the Sklyarov case, what do > > you think about the WIPO Copyright Treaty? As far as I understand > > it, it is the direct "cause" of the DMCA and similar international > > laws and was agreed on by delegates of the WIPO member nations > > during the December 1996 meeting. > > > > But member nations seem to have no actual obligation to enforce the > > treaty, and it could in fact be denounced with no consequences. Do > > you think it would make sense to > > > > - denounce the 1996 WIPO Copyright Treaty and replace the DMCA with > > more reasonable national law / repeal it - protest at the next WIPO > > copyright meeting (Nov 26-30 in Geneva) - submit papers to the WIPO > > convention - get organizations like the EFF to participate in the > > convention? > > > > I think WIPO may be a better target than the national goverments, > > since they specifically deal with these issues. What do you think? > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Erik Moeller > > > > > > > > -- > > Scientific Reviewer, Freelancer, Humanist -- Berlin/Germany > > Phone: +49-30-45491008 - Web: <http://www.humanist.de/erik> > > The Origins of Peace and Violence: <http://www.violence.de> > > > > "History is full of people who, out of fear or ignorance or the lust > > for power, have destroyed treasures of immeasurable value which > > truly belong to all of us. We must not let it happen again." -- Carl > > Sagan > > > > ------- End of forwarded message ------- > > -- > Scientific Reviewer, Freelancer, Humanist -- Berlin/Germany > Phone: +49-30-45491008 - Web: <http://www.humanist.de/erik> > The Origins of Peace and Violence: <http://www.violence.de> > > "History is full of people who, out of fear or ignorance or the lust > for power, have destroyed treasures of immeasurable value which truly > belong to all of us. We must not let it happen again." -- Carl Sagan > > _______________________________________________ > free-sklyarov mailing list > free-sklyarov(a)zork.net > http://zork.net/mailman/listinfo/free-sklyarov

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Re: Slashdot | Roasting Sacred Cows
by Jim Choate 06 Aug '01

06 Aug '01

On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, Trei, Peter wrote: > Not too long ago (less than a year, I think) Jim not only gave the URL, > he included as a MIME attachment the entire page - often 10s of Kb. > He got thoroughly and deservedly flamed for this, and ceased to do > so. Actually I've tried each and every one of these suggestions, and the same group has bitched about each and every one of them. Check the archives. -- ____________________________________________________________________ natsugusa ya...tsuwamonodomo ga...yume no ato summer grass...those mighty warriors'...dream-tracks Matsuo Basho The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Your Apple ID Information
by AppleID＠apple.com 06 Aug '01

06 Aug '01

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RE: Spoliation cites
by Trei, Peter 06 Aug '01

06 Aug '01

> jamesd@echeque.com[SMTP:jamesd@echeque.com] wrote: > > I am unable to reconcile Black Unicorn's recent post, where he denounces > almost the entire cypherpunk program as illegal by current legal standards > and a manifestation of foolish ignorance of the law and obstinate refusal > to take his wise advice, with the conjecture that Black Unicorn is aware > of > current recommended best practice in record keeping. > I've mostly been staying out of this stormy little teacup, but I'll concur that BU is overreaching himself. When he starts to claim that writing security software to best industry practices - erasing sensitive data as soon as it's need has passed, clearing disks and buffers, etc - all practices mandated for meeting certain government FIPS levels, and widely documented as standard - when he claims that writing programs correctly could get me in trouble - then it's time to downgrade my estimates of his knowledge and expertise. Peter Trei

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06 Aug '01

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RE: Slashdot | Roasting Sacred Cows
by Trei, Peter 06 Aug '01

06 Aug '01

Not too long ago (less than a year, I think) Jim not only gave the URL, he included as a MIME attachment the entire page - often 10s of Kb. He got thoroughly and deservedly flamed for this, and ceased to do so. The current situation is far preferable to the old one. I completely agree that Jim would acheive his goal of communication far better if he gave a sentence or two explaining why the link is worth following. However, convincing Jim to do *anything* for the convenience of others - even to promote his own goals - is very difficult. Peter Trei > ---------- > From: John Young[SMTP:jya@pipeline.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 6:26 PM > To: cypherpunks(a)lne.com > Subject: Re: Slashdot | Roasting Sacred Cows > > Jim, I appreciate your resistance. Still, our experience on Cryptome with > offering only URLs indicates that they are little used unless there's a > taste > of what is worth going to see. No doubt that it would be easiest to > give only URLs and let the lazy bastards graze readers-digest crap > elsewhere. But it's not the deadheads we'd like to swap info with, > for they never give back enough to make it worthwhile -- usually the > shits just send more URLs without explanation as if we can read > their profound thoughts. > > What we've found is that if you treat your readers with respect they'll > give it to you, even send you stuff you'd never see otherwise. That is, > they'll inform you and educate you in ways you can't do alone, though > that shared experience isn't for everyone, I'll grant you, in particular > when you want only to talk and preach and not listen and learn. > > So we've found that the better we make our samples the more likely > readers will figure we're offering something worth reading, and if they > like it they'll eventually return the favor, and if we're lucky we get > better than we offer -- indeed, that is always the case: the best > stuff comes in from folks who figure they'd like to take part in a > mutually rewarding situation, as we see on cypherpunks. > > URLs alone send a message of laziness, contempt, cluelessness about > the benefits of communication as against dancing castaway on an island. > For that solo shit you don't need CDR, the Net, the world, or think you > don't until the radio farts coming from your ass are only cancer static.

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RE: Governors Seeking Internet Tax
by Trei, Peter 06 Aug '01

06 Aug '01

> Declan McCullagh[SMTP:declan@well.com] wrote: > > Actually under current law you're supposed to be paying tax on such > purchases (you ordering from PennsylvaniaBoks.com, in my example). > But almost nobody does pay taxes on their mail order purchases (that > lack nexus), so the states are peeved. > > -Declan > That's my understanding too. This leads to some amusing situations - I know a person who rather than pay ~$300 sales tax on an engagement ring, had it sent to a friend two states over, who he than visited at a considerable overall savings. In New Hampshire, all the liquor stores are run by the State (a bad thing, but not the point of this story). New Hampshire also has no sales tax, unlike the neghbouring states (here in MA it's 5%). On major highways and roads entering NH, you will typically find huge state run liquor stores a couple of miles inside the state line, which are typically filled with out of staters buying (slightly) cheaper booze. A while back, MA State Troopers started staking out the parking lot of one of these stores on a highway leading to Taxachusetts, and radioing ahead license numbers of MA cars loading up. They were then stopped the other side of the state line and forced to pay MA sales tax. This scheme lasted a few days, until the NH State Troopers threatened to arrest the MA State Troopers for loitering - they were hurting business. Ah... life in the land of the free... Peter Trei

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