August 2001 - cypherpunks-legacy

Slashdot | Spammers Stoop To New Low
by Jim Choate 31 Aug '01

31 Aug '01

http://slashdot.org/articles/01/08/31/012255.shtml -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ natsugusa ya...tsuwamonodomo ga...yume no ato summer grass...those mighty warriors'...dream-tracks Matsuo Basho The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Slashdot | MS Security: On A Path As Clear As It Is Reliable
by Jim Choate 31 Aug '01

31 Aug '01

http://slashdot.org/articles/01/08/30/2247211.shtml -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ natsugusa ya...tsuwamonodomo ga...yume no ato summer grass...those mighty warriors'...dream-tracks Matsuo Basho The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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NYPOST.COM National News: D.C. PROTEST ?FENCE' COULD STRETCH FOR MILES By DEBORAH ORIN
by Jim Choate 31 Aug '01

31 Aug '01

http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/31953.htm -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ natsugusa ya...tsuwamonodomo ga...yume no ato summer grass...those mighty warriors'...dream-tracks Matsuo Basho The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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31 Aug '01

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Re: The Tim May Question
by Reese 31 Aug '01

31 Aug '01

At 15:33 8/30/2001 -0700, A. Melon wrote: >In another message Tim wrote: >>On Sunday, August 26, 2001, at 12:11 AM, Reese wrote: >>> It's easy to stay on topic, or on a topic, it's another thing to be >>> appropriate. Tim is good, but easy improvement is within reach, as >>> you sort of noted. >> >> Fuck off. I'll take constructive criticism from people who are >> better writers than I, or at least in the same ballpark. >> >> But not from those who have left no lasting impression. > >I'm not sure if Reese was replying to one of my messages, but this >obsession less productive posters have with Tim is peculiar. Even more peculiar, the wrong turns taken when responding to an out- of-context quote. Just as an aside, didn't you find it ironic that Tim told me of all people, to "Fuck Off"??? >Looked at as an engineering problem, one tends to look at the >underperforming components. Why look at a utilization issue as an engineering problem? Unless your object is fitting square pegs to round holes. Do you have pointy hair? Behold my complete post (less .sig), and what I replied to: At 18:47 8/25/2001 -0500, Anonymous wrote: >I'm not too delighted with the "I have friends who want to kill >all Jews" type of remarks, but beggars can't be choosers. > >People carp about Tim, but I'd like to see anybody try to do one >Tim May quality post every day for two weeks. Including the "I have friends who want to kill all the Jews" type of remarks? GIGO, yada. It's easy to stay on topic, or on a topic, it's another thing to be appropriate. Tim is good, but easy improvement is within reach, as you sort of noted. Perhaps it was Anonymous you should've referred to, instead of me. Regardless, Fuck Off. Reeza!

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Re: The Tim May Question
by Reese 31 Aug '01

31 Aug '01

At 15:33 8/30/2001 -0700, A. Melon wrote: >In another message Tim wrote: >>On Sunday, August 26, 2001, at 12:11 AM, Reese wrote: >>> It's easy to stay on topic, or on a topic, it's another thing to be >>> appropriate. Tim is good, but easy improvement is within reach, as >>> you sort of noted. >> >> Fuck off. I'll take constructive criticism from people who are >> better writers than I, or at least in the same ballpark. >> >> But not from those who have left no lasting impression. > >I'm not sure if Reese was replying to one of my messages, but this >obsession less productive posters have with Tim is peculiar. Even more peculiar, the wrong turns taken when responding to an out- of-context quote. Just as an aside, didn't you find it ironic that Tim told me of all people, to "Fuck Off"??? >Looked at as an engineering problem, one tends to look at the >underperforming components. Why look at a utilization issue as an engineering problem? Unless your object is fitting square pegs to round holes. Do you have pointy hair? Behold my complete post (less .sig), and what I replied to: At 18:47 8/25/2001 -0500, Anonymous wrote: >I'm not too delighted with the "I have friends who want to kill >all Jews" type of remarks, but beggars can't be choosers. > >People carp about Tim, but I'd like to see anybody try to do one >Tim May quality post every day for two weeks. Including the "I have friends who want to kill all the Jews" type of remarks? GIGO, yada. It's easy to stay on topic, or on a topic, it's another thing to be appropriate. Tim is good, but easy improvement is within reach, as you sort of noted. Perhaps it was Anonymous you should've referred to, instead of me. Regardless, Fuck Off. Reeza!

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31 Aug '01

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31 Aug '01

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Re: The Privacy/Untraceability Sweet Spot
by Nomen Nescio 31 Aug '01

31 Aug '01

On Tuesday, August 28, 2001, at 8:04 AM, Tim May wrote: > On Monday, August 27, 2001, at 11:20 PM, Nomen Nescio wrote: > > On Monday, August 27, 2001, at 12:56 PM, Tim May wrote: > >> On Monday, August 27, 2001, at 12:40 PM, Nomen Nescio wrote: > >>> "Freedom fighters in communist-controlled regimes." How much money > >>> do they have? More importantly, how much are they willing and able to > >>> spend on anonymity/privacy/black-market technologies? These guys > >>> aren't > >>> rolling in dough. > >> > >> The IRA and the Real IRA have a lot of money, as the Brits have been > >> complaining about recently. Osama bin Laden is said to control more > >> than > >> a billion dollars. And so on. I disagree with you assertion that "these > >> guys aren't rolling in dough." > > > > Members of the IRA are not freedom fighters in a communist-controlled > > country. bin Laden did fall under that definition when he was fighting > > to get the Russians out of Afghanistan but that was a long time ago. > > Now he's opposing American influence in Saudi Arabia. > > Your reading comprehension sucks. I gave half a dozen _examples_, one of > them "freedom fighters in communist-controlled regimes" and you assume > this is the only kind of freedom fighter being talked about. No point in > carrying on a conversation with this breathtaking display of literalism. The reason why "in communist-controlled regimes" is relevant is because you advanced it as an example of MORALLY acceptable use of technology (presuming that most readers will oppose communism). The objection was raised, yes, it is moral, but is it profitable? There are not many communist-opposed freedom fighters around today, not much money to be made there. You came back and mentioned the IRA and bin Laden. It is true, both of these are well funded. But this does not answer the objection. The point was, can you find groups that are both profitable to sell to, and morally acceptable? The latter consideration is what led to the "in communist-controlled regimes" limitation in the first place. You can't just throw that part out without losing the moral acceptability which motivated the example in the first place. bin Laden and the IRA have plenty of money, but will many cypherpunks agree with their politics? It's hard to believe that anyone thinks that if the IRA or bin Laden were to succeed in their goals, that they would put in place a kindler and gentler state. It remains a challenge to identify groups that are both (A) wealthy, (B) in need of anonymity technologies, and (C) morally acceptable to support. Freedom fighters don't fit all that well, in today's world.

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Fwd: Re: Tim May and anonymous flames.
by Gary Jeffers 31 Aug '01

31 Aug '01

My fellow Cypherpunks, Some time ago Tim May flamed me and I responded with the post: Tim May goes bush shooting. http://www.inet-one.com/cypherpunks/dir.2000.09.25-2000.10.01/msg00388.html . Note: The 3rd reference was bad. The corrected reference is: http://www.inet-one.com/cypherpunks/dir.2000.09.18-2000.09.24/msg00167.html . This has gotten me thinking and I have the following observations and conjectures: 1. It is predictable that Tim May will be flammed. The FBI has a history of covertly sowing internal dissent in dissident groups. As a leading Cypherpunk, May is an obvious target. 2. Anonymous flames are dirt cheap and safe for the FBI. 3. The FBI will do them well. By definition, the flames will be professional :-) 4. The flames will be worded so as to distress the target. 5. The flames will be seeded with clues to imply that a particular Cypherpunk did them: distinctive syntax, mispellings, phrases, etc.. This will help make the group ineffective. 6. Other leading Cypherpunks will also be targeted. 7. The anonymous flames will be hard to falsify in their pointing to a particular Cypherpunk. 8. Does anybody have reason to believe that the above is not true? 9. Anybody have any good defenses against this attack. 10. Has this topic been brought up before? Yes, I know! -countless times and I have not done my homework. :-) Yours Truly, Gary Jeffers BEAT STATE!!!! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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