August 2001 - cypherpunks-legacy

STOP THEM!!!!!!!!
by dynastyprise＠chestertel.com 20 Aug '01

20 Aug '01

Bill Collector's a Problem. They don't have to be. Stop them NOW..... Go to http:/www.webspawner.com/users/dynastyprise/index.html

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RE: Bomb Law Reporter - special edition
by An Metet 20 Aug '01

20 Aug '01

It's also rather interesting that Aimee is objecting to people "cowering behind remailers". On the cypherpunk list? On the contrary, we should all be using remailers. Someone seriously does need to start a node which only accepts posts from remailers. I'm beginning to strongly suspect Aimee as as troll. Faustine is likely another one. Interesting isn't it that she knows so much of what sort of software and capabilites the NSA and FBI have. A lot of this lately has the smell of classic FUD -- Fear, Uncertainty, & Doubt, the essence of government disinformation.

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Re: FBI Tries to Set Up Brian K. West
by throwaway1＠hushmail.com 20 Aug '01

20 Aug '01

You mean... Home: Rt. 3 Box 266 B, Wagoner, OK 74467 Home Phone: 918-485-8764 Spouse: Marvetta Sperling Business: U.S. Dept of Justice, 333 Federal Court House Muskogee, OK 74401 Business Phone: 918-687-2543 Fax: 918-684-5150 Course one would have to wait round til Sheldon showd and foller him home Free, secure Web-based email, now OpenPGP compliant - www.hushmail.com

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Motives
by georgemw＠speakeasy.net 20 Aug '01

20 Aug '01

On 18 Aug 2001, at 6:44, Reese wrote: > > You would be well-advised to question motives, here. What do I gain by > pursuing an address on the legality of posting bomb recipes? Normally I try to avoid such questions, I find it much more significant what people do than why they do it, but this one for some reason has me puzzled. What the hell DO you have to gain? Surely you can't just be hoping to get some cool new recipes that way, there are easier and better ways to do it. As the amputee porn fan put it, I'm stumped. >What does > she gain by quashing all such posts? Why? > I'm easily bamboozled by anything allegedly female, but the impression I get is that she's under the impression more bomb recipies leads to more unwanted scrutiny from LEOs. Personally, I think such ideas are largely mistaken. Nobody ever taught any investigator even vaguely worthy of the name not to look under rocks. I did consider it pretty funny that the assertion that LEOs don't get to hide behind remailers was made right before they announced a patent on their clone of Freedom, but then again, I see humor everywhere. George > Reese

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lawyerpunks-in-training...? [OT?]
by David E. Smith 20 Aug '01

20 Aug '01

This is a fairly big list, and there aren't very many lawyerpunks on it. (And they all seem to be tied up arguing with Choate. :-) For a host of reasons only peripherally related to things like CJ, Jim Bell, my own brief experience running a remailer, et cetera, I've begun to seriously consider law school. If nothing else, it's a great way to defer paying on those student loans for another few years... So, in vaguely-random order: * How does one decide whether law school is what they want to do? In a broader sense, how do you decide whether you want to be a lawyer when you grow up? The lawyers on the list are definitely encouraged to respond. * Is there really a need for technically-inclined lawyers? In my far-from- expert opinion, there seems to be a shortage of them... After I'm done, will I still be able to afford Ramen? (Bear in mind that I have no interest in becoming an ambulance-chaser. Not gonna go there.) * How will my undergraduate studies come back to haunt me? (My overall GPA was good but not great, and my Bachelor's is in computer science, instead of a more traditional prelaw field.) * Recommendations of lawyerpunk-friendly law schools? thanks! ...dave ---- David E. Smith, POB 515045, St. Louis MO 63151 http://www.technopagan.org/ http://metadave.net/ http://www.bureau42.com/ http://whatIsay.com/ "Use anger to throw them into disarray." -- Sun Tzu

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Re: FBI Tries to Set Up Brian K. West
by keyser-soze＠hushmail.com 20 Aug '01

20 Aug '01

At 02:28 PM 8/19/2001 -0700, John Young wrote: >The name of the prosecuting attorney is on the plea bargain >sent to Brian, copy below. > >I agree that this kind of once-okay data-mining and publishing >will now get you Bell-jarred, CJ-jugged. Only if identified and then only if you are U.S. property. I wonder how many of those on this list, who profess competence in such matters and agreement with the principle, would be willing to put their skills to the test and able to succeed. Free, secure Web-based email, now OpenPGP compliant - www.hushmail.com

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Re: FBI Tries to Set Up Brian K. West
by keyser-soze＠hushmail.com 20 Aug '01

20 Aug '01

At Sun, 19 Aug 2001 11:08:11 -0700 (PDT), Ray Dillinger <bear(a)sonic.net> wrote: > > >On Sat, 18 Aug -1 keyser-soze(a)hushmail.com wrote: > >>Will someone publish the home address of the prosecuting attorney and judge issuing the warrant? >> > >There are serious risks in doing so. Having such a post linked >to your meatspace identity could result in persecution - and >most likely eventually prosecution as well. An exercise left to the eventual poster. Free, secure Web-based email, now OpenPGP compliant - www.hushmail.com

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Re: HA: Feds patent onion routing (Was: Pentagon Hides Behind Onion Wraps)
by Greg Broiles 19 Aug '01

19 Aug '01

At 01:00 PM 8/18/2001 -0600, Zakas, Phillip wrote: > > Declan wrote: > > Syverson, who is listed on the patent with co-inventors >Michael Reed > > and David Goldschlag, defended the government's move. "It is a > > necessary step for those of us working for the government to >bring > > technology to the public," Syverson said. > > How about simply publishing a paper on the topic (and actually >I've been reading papers from the onion router project for several >years...since 1996??) Since when were patents necessary to 'bring >technology to the public'? That was my first reaction to those comments. I think what they're talking about is the process of "technology transfer", whereby people are paid by the government to develop new technology, then quit their low-risk low-pay government jobs for private sector jobs commercializing the technology they developed earlier, selling implemented, commercial (or mil-spec) versions back to the government. (One variation of this has the developers handing off the technology to old college friends or agency predecessors, who are generous enough to grant them stock options in the private company). It's much easier to commercialize the technology if it's boiled down to one or more forms of traditional intellectual property, like patents - it was only attractive to invest in open-souce companies for a year or so, and that was a few years ago. If you hurry, you can still buy some Red Hat stock before it gets delisted, which has got some old cypherpunk C2Net and Cygnus DNA in it somewhere. If they want to make the technology widely understood and used, that's easy - write up a nice paper for Crypto or FC or one of the ACM or IEEE journals, with a corresponding project on Sourceforge. It's not like federally developed works even need a license - they're not properly the subject of copyright. On the other hand, if they want to make big piles of money selling that technology back to the taxpayers who funded its development, locking it up for 20 years isn't such a silly choice. This strategy is an especially nice one for privacy technologies like remailers - there's no good consumer market for them, but governments and other big actors have a strong need to hide their actions from public scrutiny from time to time, because they've got a lot more to lose by getting caught. So it's a neat little commercial backwater where it ought to be possible to charge a few customers a lot of money for technology they can't buy anywhere else because (a) it's not widely understood or available, and (b) the vendor has an exclusive patent license, and can eliminate competitors. (free software isn't a competitor, because anonymizing is a service, not a product or a computer program, so it doesn't matter if there are infringing cypherpunk versions.) -- Greg Broiles gbroiles(a)well.com "We have found and closed the thing you watch us with." -- New Delhi street kids

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by Libe78＠aol.com 19 Aug '01

19 Aug '01

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by QuTi0＠aol.com 19 Aug '01

19 Aug '01

unsubscrib cyperpunks-unedited

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