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16 Jul '01

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Re: Slashdot | Recording Police Misconduct is Illegal
by George＠Orwellian.Org 16 Jul '01

16 Jul '01

Gurly cypherpunk Aimee wrote: # # Critics of contemporary surveillance law point out that we # increasingly live in a world where THEY can spy on you, but you # can't spy on THEM. Governments, business and employers are like # bad parents that say, "*I* can do it -- but you can't." # # Children learn quickly.... For those of you who don't watch much TV, there is a PA by the Partnership for a Drug-Free America in heavy rotation right now. The approximate wording: [various children saying] You searched my room... You invaded my privacy... I hated you... Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. It's Orwellian, if I do say so myself.

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Re: Slashdot | Recording Police Misconduct is Illegal
by George＠Orwellian.Org 16 Jul '01

16 Jul '01

Eugene Leitl wrote: # # What we're getting (surprise, surprise) is that recording of # the public is allright but not recording *by* the public. Mann's # "shooting back" is rapidly getting outlawed. I'm not one to make apologies for this sort of thing, and perhaps I skimmed the article too fast, but... Isn't the ruling not specific to recording the police, but that MA has a two-party recording rule? Everyone has the same standard of "protection".

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Re: Slashdot | Recording Police Misconduct is Illegal
by Declan McCullagh 16 Jul '01

16 Jul '01

Keep in mind that the Mass. decision that started this thread only dealt with *surreptitious* recording. Mann's "shooting back" is still allowed even in Mass. as long as it's obvious what you're doing. -Declan On Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 04:20:56PM +0200, Eugene Leitl wrote: > On Sat, 14 Jul 2001, Greg Newby wrote: > > > This is a good opportunity to urge cp's who haven't yet, to read David > > Brin's "Transparent Society." It's pie in the sky, but essentially > > advocates having cameras everywhere, so that anyone anywhere can tap > > into a video feed. > > Brin's scenario is symmetric. This is not what we're getting. What we're > getting (surprise, surprise) is that recording of the public is allright > but not recording *by* the public. Mann's "shooting back" is rapidly > getting outlawed. > > -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://www.lrz.de/~ui22204/">leitl</a> > ______________________________________________________________ > ICBMTO : N48 10'07'' E011 33'53'' http://www.lrz.de/~ui22204 > 57F9CFD3: ED90 0433 EB74 E4A9 537F CFF5 86E7 629B 57F9 CFD3

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16 Jul '01

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Re: Floridans Protest Street Cameras
by George＠Orwellian.Org 16 Jul '01

16 Jul '01

The Tampa Bay Action Group http://www.sptimes.com/News/071501/TampaBay/Masked_protesters_fig.shtml The Tampa Bay Business Journal editorial http://tampabay.bcentral.com/tampabay/stories/2001/07/16/editorial2.html?t=…

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RE: Slashdot | Recording Police Misconduct is Illegal
by Trei, Peter 16 Jul '01

16 Jul '01

Yes, this is correct. If you make a *sound* recording in this state, all the parties present have to consent (and, I think, consent). The issue is not that a recording was made, but that it was made secretly. No such limitation exists on video recordings. [FWIW, my opinion is that a police officer interacting in his official capacity with a private citizen is *always" in public, and has no reasonable expectation of privacy. The court refused arguments based on this, saying that the law did not provide an 'in public' exception. I wonder: If you were being questioned by the police, and told them you did NOT consent to being recorded, would they then be required to stop recording?] Here's the relevant state law: [start quote] Mass. Ann. Laws ch. 272 , ' 99 (1999): It is a crime to record any conversation, whether oral or wire, without the consent of all parties in Massachusetts. The penalty for violating the law is a fine of up to $10,000 and a jail sentence of up to five years. [end quote] (http://www.rcfp.org/taping/ is a useful resource) Similar laws exist in California, Delaware, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Michigan, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, Oregon, Pennsylvania and Washington. Peter Trei > ---------- > From: George@Orwellian.Org[SMTP:George@Orwellian.Org] > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 10:51 AM > To: A bomb named 'Mike' > Subject: Re: Slashdot | Recording Police Misconduct is Illegal > > Eugene Leitl wrote: > # > # What we're getting (surprise, surprise) is that recording of > # the public is allright but not recording *by* the public. Mann's > # "shooting back" is rapidly getting outlawed. > > I'm not one to make apologies for this sort of thing, > and perhaps I skimmed the article too fast, but... > > Isn't the ruling not specific to recording the police, > but that MA has a two-party recording rule? > > Everyone has the same standard of "protection".

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RE: Slashdot | Recording Police Misconduct is Illegal
by Trei, Peter 16 Jul '01

16 Jul '01

In MA, the law is not just against 'secret recording'; the wording states that the "consent" of all parties must exist. (It does not state what constitutes consent). PT > ---------- > From: David Honig[SMTP:honig@sprynet.com] > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 10:56 AM > To: Eugene Leitl; Greg Newby > Cc: cypherpunks(a)lne.com > Subject: Re: Slashdot | Recording Police Misconduct is Illegal > > At 04:20 PM 7/16/01 +0200, Eugene Leitl wrote: > >On Sat, 14 Jul 2001, Greg Newby wrote: > > > > Mann's "shooting back" is rapidly > >getting outlawed. > > Heh, some of Mann's work involves pseudo-cameras (or dark acrylic plates > on your shirt, or leds under domes on your backback), so can we look > forward > to laws against *fake* recording? > > On the other hand, perhaps its time to write "you may be recorded" on > your driver's license, registration/insurance, or drivers's side door > frame. > A bumper sticker would serve two purposes, hmm...

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