July 2001 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: DMCA has pushed me to my limit.
by Declan McCullagh 18 Jul '01

18 Jul '01

On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 10:21:44AM -0400, Trei, Peter wrote: > Well, if Pinochet can be arrested in London, on the request of a > French (or was it Spanish?) judge, over acts allegedly > committed in Chile, I'd say yes. > > .... and don't forget the Norwegian who was arrested in Oslo for > the deCSS code. Actually, Johansen was just questioned, not arrested. ObPhotos: see mccullagh.org for his appearance in NYC. -Declan

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Re: DMCA has pushed me to my limit.
by Morlock Elloi 18 Jul '01

18 Jul '01

>Is there a legal fund developing for our wayward Russian or an anti-DMCA >fund? Am I giving EFF and CPSR a bad rap? Should we be giving them money >earmarked exclusively for anti-DMCA activities? Where is the usually >outspoken John Gilmore after his landmark essay on the topic? ( >http://www.toad.com/gnu/whatswrong.html ) Where can reverse engineering be >conducted in the world anymore without felonies being leveled? Does anyone >care? EFF is doing it's thing, which was semi-effective and is now not much effective at all - I just don't see advances, just declines in freedoms. On the other side, encryption and strong anonymity render DMCA ineffective, but after 10 years of PGP and mixmasters only few thousand use any. So we want thinking to be legal while visible. What is left to do ? Maybe some clever propaganda along the lines "End of the world: russian arrested in US of A for thought crime". Or make it desirable to be prosecuted for thought crimes: send money directly to the russian. Sort of inverse AP - whoever gets arrested for DMCA gets paid. Buy some ad space in papers and get the message out. Running decent-size ads will take many K$. Maybe if a number of contributors insist on this EFF would coordinate it ? How does one round up contributors in cpunkish environment ? The issue here is to not preach to the choir. Preaching to sheeple is *expensive*, and the gain ("more freedom") is far away and very few will commit actual cash to it. Anyway, I may know some that would - how do we get EFF to do directed campaign ? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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Re: FBI arrests Russian hacker visiting U.S. for alleged DMCA breach
by George＠Orwellian.Org 18 Jul '01

18 Jul '01

Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> wrote: # # FBI agents have arrested a Russian programmer for giving # away software that removes the restrictions on encrypted # Adobe Acrobat files. "Nuts!"

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by narconews＠yahoogroups.com 18 Jul '01

18 Jul '01

[narconews] Number 165 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 2 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. EFF legal brief defends Narco News From: "Alberto M. Giordano" <narconews(a)hotmail.com> 2. New Legal Briefs: Friday's Hearing Heats Up From: "Alberto M. Giordano" <narconews(a)hotmail.com> ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________

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by narconews＠yahoogroups.com 18 Jul '01

18 Jul '01

[narconews] Number 165 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 2 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. EFF legal brief defends Narco News From: "Alberto M. Giordano" <narconews(a)hotmail.com> 2. New Legal Briefs: Friday's Hearing Heats Up From: "Alberto M. Giordano" <narconews(a)hotmail.com> ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________

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next, we ban cutlery
by r.duke＠hushmail.com 18 Jul '01

18 Jul '01

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_1280000/1280406.stm "A Liberal Democrat MP who was slashed by a Samurai sword has called for curbs on the weapons after a second attack in his constituency." That's the second in a year, mind you. I'd write more, but I have to get downstairs and chop some carrot sticks before they take away my kitchen knives. -- Free, encrypted, secure Web-based email at www.hushmail.com

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RE: military pornography
by Ray Dillinger 18 Jul '01

18 Jul '01

On Wed, 18 Jul 2001, Trei, Peter wrote: >Hitting a US Marine with a stick is not smart thing to do. She >took the cane and gave him drubbing. Within hours she was >out of the country, on 'medical' grounds. Her health was at >stake - the Saudis wanted to have her executed. Jeez. One problem here is that there's not a damn thing else she could have done. Once she got through boot camp, responding to a physical attack by *AT LEAST* incapacitating the attacker is nothing but a reflex action. Not hitting soldiers is basic survival instincts, almost no matter who trained them. Of course, the saudi probably couldn't wrap his brain around the combination of "female" and "soldier", so didn't understand what the hell he was doing. Bear

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RE: DMCA has pushed me to my limit.
by Trei, Peter 18 Jul '01

18 Jul '01

Well, if Pinochet can be arrested in London, on the request of a French (or was it Spanish?) judge, over acts allegedly committed in Chile, I'd say yes. .... and don't forget the Norwegian who was arrested in Oslo for the deCSS code. Peter > ---------- > From: Sampo Syreeni[SMTP:decoy@iki.fi] > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 5:55 PM > To: Black Unicorn > Cc: cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net > Subject: Re: DMCA has pushed me to my limit. > > On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Black Unicorn wrote: > > >When a foreign national can be arrested for a bit of coding which was > >developed (I assume) outside the US and never, by his actions (I assume) > >hit US soil well it really is time for the DMCA to go. > > On a more general level, is US law to be construed as granting personal > jurisdiction over anyone on the US soil, regardless of where the actual > crime was committed? I.e., if I do something wrong according to the Code, > I'd better stay the hell out of US? > > Sampo Syreeni, aka decoy, mailto:decoy@iki.fi, gsm: +358-50-5756111 > student/math+cs/helsinki university, http://www.iki.fi/~decoy/front

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RE: military pornography
by Trei, Peter 18 Jul '01

18 Jul '01

> From: Al Qaeda[SMTP:alqaeda@fbi.gov] > Subject: military pornography > > "According to the military briefing Sgt. Holt received when she arrived, > any visible skin below the neck is considered pornography." > > http://www.washtimes.com/national/20010717-4503880.htm > > And we're defending these Saudi pig-fuckers? > A guy in my office served as a reserve medic in Saudi during our War to Defend Cheap Gasoline. One night, they had to make up papers to get a female Marine onto a medical transport out of the country on zero notice - she had - in public - worn her uniform with the sleeves rolled up in the proper military manner. A religious cop hit her with his cane. Hitting a US Marine with a stick is not smart thing to do. She took the cane and gave him drubbing. Within hours she was out of the country, on 'medical' grounds. Her health was at stake - the Saudis wanted to have her executed. For all that we (with justification) worry about the USG's penchant for killing it's citizens in cold blood, the governments of Saudi and Singapore kill their citizens at 10x the rate of the US. Peter Trei

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Tighter measures needed [Bruce Schneier plugs Linux to Senate
by Jim Choate 18 Jul '01

18 Jul '01

http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-07-17-012-20-SC-CY-MS James Choate Product Certification - Operating Systems Staff Engineer 512-436-1062 jchoate(a)tivoli.com

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