April 2001 - cypherpunks-legacy

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dog sales require federal licenses?
by Declan McCullagh 03 Apr '01

03 Apr '01

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Re: Robert Leen, and getting Jim Bell a fair trial
by John Young 03 Apr '01

03 Apr '01

Seth, I've publicly asked that no private e-mail be sent to me about the Bell case. Do it in public or not at all. You could be tarring me as others have done, for whatever noble reason. Offense intended. You are way behind the curve on this matter, and privately whispering advice is cowardly, not unlike noble journalists and attorneys have done to me. Show your face, no stalking, thanks. John Seth Finklestein wrote: >[you wrote] >> No call back from Leen on my inquiry about being a witness >> for Bell. Fuck him, bedwetting with the feds. >[Elsewhere ...] >> Feds and Leen in the same peapod with Jim: all lust for the >> spotlight and like the WWF have no shame in faking stalking >> each other as if serious, preening in the mirror. > > Check out Leen's record. He DOES NOT look to be the type who >gets in bed with the Feds. I think at the very least you should get >his side of the story. > >http://www.mndaily.com/daily/gopher-archives/1990/10/29/Man_jailed_for_sayi ng_he_would_punch_Bush.txt > >http://seattlep-i.nwsource.com/local/shot283.shtml > >http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/971229/29mili.htm > >http://firms.findlaw.com/rleen/ >http://firms.findlaw.com/rleen/affiliates.htm >http://firms.findlaw.com/rleen/memos.htm > > If you want to do something to help Jim Bell in getting a good >defense, here is my suggestion, take it for what it's worth to you: > > Take some more initiative to get in touch with Robert Leen. His >contact info, including a mail form, is available on Martindale-Hubble, at > >http://lawyers.martindale.com/Executable/listing.php3?lid=2076060org=1 > > Explain the whole "cypherpunks", err, state of mind. Give the >guy a chance. Look at it this way - if he is in collaboration with the >prosecution, your discussion with him can hardly make things much >worse. However, if he is not, if he is an honest defense attorney >doing the best he can in a bad situation, then you are in a good >position to aid him. The risk is low, the potential benefit is large. > >__ >Seth Finkelstein Consulting Programmer sethf(a)mit.edu http://sethf.com >

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For whom the Bell case tolls.......
by Carol Braddock 03 Apr '01

03 Apr '01

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 "Railroading" is the John take on it. He is right. "Fishing Expedition" is the Declan take on it. He is right. "Prosecution Friendly Journalist" is the Seth take on it. He is right. John has put the court documents up. The real truth. This is as much of a railroading as Gotti got. In fact, maybe even worse. Jim Bell hasn't many friends here. Then again neither do I. But I have learned a thing or two about cryptography. How and why I sign this message is my testament to that. Few folks around here even sign messages anymore. So can you know for sure? Probably? Yes. Likely? Yes. For sure? No! I have a heck of a background to witness all this action. I was North Dakota's first convicted stalker. 18 days was all I got. I have been arrested near the Kennedy Compound with a loaded weapon. That was 'assasination politics' firsthand. No jail time. I have testified for the Feds. I still to this day talk to the DA, who's now a U.S. Magistrate I was in the witness protection program. Had a nym before most of you touched a computer. I've also escaped federal custody more than once. Never been charged or convicted. I know both sides of this fence. I don't like Bell. I don't like idle talk of 'assasination politics'. It wastes too much time. He was 100's not a few miles away from where something was 'supposed' to take place, at a future time. He can't even get at his defense records. He gets my sympathy vote. Now along comes poor little Declan, who finally got his motives challenged by Seth. Simply put, if Declan was not "prosecutor friendly" he would not have taken their money. The Wired editors would have put it up for him. Put the shoe on the other foot, would he have taken the same course of action had the defense called him in as a witness? Is there a reason you are arriving at the 'party so late?' Has he even tried to find out what questions the defense is gonna ask? I don't recall having heard an electron particle about that. That is not responsible journalism and at its even more base level it is not even responsible citizenship. Haven't heard much about citizenship with this case. I never have been accused of being a snitch. My direct testimony usually results in people being freed. The Feds still love me as a witness. I could have, but don't want access to any president. I don't need to see anyone killed. I know how to use paint, a paintbrush and canvas pretty well. It works better. Oh, did I forget to mention, I write for the sixth biggest website there is. I have this little tiny corner called eastvillage.about.com. I'm just one of 900 or so sites there. We have all the crazies in NYC there. They make this list rather tame at times. Journalist McCullagh vs Citizen McCullagh I don't think anyone has hit the nail on the head just what the Bell case is all about yet. The outward charges have some sort of underlying psychology to them. And Declan, if you can get off your high horse for a minute, you might just have a seat in the witness box and "sing" to your hearts content. You might do everything but name a source. Heck, you might even spend a day in the cooler or something. But then again you might not, and as I see this coming down, I suspect your confidants might not be so forthcoming in the future. Blaming your plane trouble on Gordon is pure irresponsibility. Taking the Feds money is worse. And Seth even reminded us you have a strike or two against you already. Think. Think think. Think think oh think. Think Declan think. Before the rest of the list gets into character assasination. Carol Anne Cypherpunk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.0 Comment: The ArtCall is now 96% complete. iQA/AwUBOsmugHTq8rNLWU4mEQLFkQCdEED6ObGlfV6cbyFrUGztYRGGBxsAoKHJ IJSgfYM0zn2121sM+PsrhWs3 =B5AX -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: How the Justice Department screws with a reporter
by Anonymous 03 Apr '01

03 Apr '01

>I found out that Worldtravel had moved my flight to a Tuesday departure >that would get into the city that afternoon, *after* the proceedings had >begun. That could (understandably) piss off the judge -- I'd be violating a This is my worst nightmare. We are ruled by infantile idiots. Oh, the shame, the shame !

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Update on Elast Technologies Inc
by stockcircuit＠email-it.com 03 Apr '01

03 Apr '01

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Update on Elast Technologies Inc
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03 Apr '01

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The Register - Check out the 'Booknote'...
by Jim Choate 03 Apr '01

03 Apr '01

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What is a 'police state'?
by Jim Choate 03 Apr '01

03 Apr '01

What are the defining characteristics? ____________________________________________________________________ Beware gentle knight, there is no greater monster than reason. Miguel de Cervantes The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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