April 2001 - cypherpunks-legacy

CNN.com - Internet firm sues to broadcast McVeigh execution - April 5, 2001
by Jim Choate 05 Apr '01

05 Apr '01

Isn't this McVeigh's 'speech' and 'press', does he want it broadcast? If so then the state should be compelled under the 1st, 9th, & 10th to comply. http://www.cnn.com/2001/LAW/04/05/mcveigh.internet/index.html?s=7 -- ____________________________________________________________________ We have to hate our immediate predecessors to get free of their authority. D.H. Lawrence The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Re: Pleading the 5th
by David Honig 05 Apr '01

05 Apr '01

At 06:02 PM 4/5/01 -0500, Jim Choate wrote: > >I don't do interviews. > >I also own the copyright on everything I post to Cypherpunks. If it gets >printed without my permission (and I won't give it) in a newspaper or >other COMMERCIAL venture it is copyright infringement. You're free to post >excerpts. I believe ~200 lines is the maximum allowed under current >copyright law. > Jim, how do you feel about on-line collections, e.g., the venona and inet-one.com archives? [IMHO they are technically infringing our copyrights, but I personally think they perform a service ---slightly more for historians than for spammers.]

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Re: Re: Affording an attorney...
by auto211076＠hushmail.com 05 Apr '01

05 Apr '01

On Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:23:33 -0400, Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> wrote: > On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 06:28:22PM -0700, Bill Stewart wrote: > > (A quick read of Declan's description of one day of the trial sounded > > like Bell's counsel was trying to help, perhaps competently, and helping > > Bell is a tough job for anybody....) > > I think that's a fair description of Day I. By Day II, though, Leen > seemed to miss some obvious (to me) technical questions that could be > raised on cross. I also had the change to watch him more closely, and he > seems to be doing a perfunctory job. He's almost communicating to the jury > (and clearly communicating to the judge) that he believes his client is > guilty but has the right to a trial. Over 95% of the objections that Jim's attorney has raised over the last 2 days have been overruled, where almost every one of the objections that the D.A. has raised have been sustained. It's pretty obvious that Judge Tanner hates Jim--partly because Jim hasn't shown the proper decorous respect to the judge--and Jim's attorney is fighting that as well as the prosecution. By yesterday afternoon, he looked totally demoralized. One of the people in the court who was reasonably friendly to Jim pointed out to him yesterday that instead of trying to prove a point, Jim should have spent his time trying to win his case. Leen has to deal with a client who is at least partly committed to a crusade. Free, encrypted, secure Web-based email at www.hushmail.com

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Day #2: U.S. v. Jim Bell report from federal court in Tacoma
by Declan McCullagh 05 Apr '01

05 Apr '01

----- Forwarded message from Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> -----

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Police right to 'privacy'
by Jim Choate 05 Apr '01

05 Apr '01

Has anyone told these gentlemen in blue that there is 'no right to privacy' currently recognized in this country by 'their' side? "A nation as a society forms a moral person, and every member of it is personally responsible for his society." "When a man assumes a public trust, he should consider himself public property." Thomas Jefferson Now, who pays them to do that job? "Equal protection under the law" is a bitch, isn't it boys?... Who guards the guardians in America? The People, eventually ;) ____________________________________________________________________ We have to hate our immediate predecessors to get free of their authority. D.H. Lawrence The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Slashdot | Negative Index of Refraction Created
by Jim Choate 05 Apr '01

05 Apr '01

http://slashdot.org/science/01/04/05/1911250.shtml -- ____________________________________________________________________ We have to hate our immediate predecessors to get free of their authority. D.H. Lawrence The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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CNN.com - U.S. was familiar with Chinese pilot - April 5, 2001
by Jim Choate 05 Apr '01

05 Apr '01

A defection gone bad? (re email address) http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/east/04/05/china.fighters.02/ You think maybe this guy got picked up by a sub? Would make a good spy novel anyway... -- ____________________________________________________________________ We have to hate our immediate predecessors to get free of their authority. D.H. Lawrence The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Cryptographic protocols for government?
by Ray Dillinger 05 Apr '01

05 Apr '01

I've been thinking about the Bell case and what it represents. The case really turns on a central point, I think; an individual's right or lack thereof to do the things for himself that government traditionally does for him. The government normally investigates crooks, ostensibly for the benefit of the citizens. But what happens when a citizen attempts to do the same? Well, we get the sort of thing that's happening in that courtroom. Bell made it pretty personal, evidently, and his idea of what constitutes a "crook" may differ from yours, mine, and (especially) that of the government of the US, and he was evidently bungling the investigation anyway (wasn't able to find whom he was looking for and wound up pestering people who had the same name or lived at the same h ouse...). But seriously, what was he doing? At least in his own mind, he was investigating a crook. And what was AP? (besides being unimplementable and susceptible to all kinds of abuse by anyone with money?) It was an attempt at a cryptographic protocol to regulate the use of force. In effect, it was a protocol intended to replace government. And this brings up some very fundamental points about the distinction between private citizens and agents of a government, especially if you ascribe to the view that all government powers are derived from and ultimately belong to the people. I personally think that, as information becomes more and more available, government becomes less and less necessary. Or maybe the idea should be expressed as "Government is a protocol for collaborative or collective action in the absence of the availability of complete information and the bandwidth to disseminate it. As the information becomes available, the need for this protocol declines." And in a crypto-enabled world, where anyone can say anything anonymously and as publicly as they like, information will be available. (insert caveat re: sturgeon's law) But Bell's behavior brings up other issues. For collaborative or collective action, you can't have one guy haring off with his own definitions of everything and trying to enforce laws nobody else believes exist. So, a question. How could a reasonably peacable and stable society, lacking government-as-we-know-it but rich in automation and cryptographic protocols, deal with crime and criminals? Is there any way to ensure that the actions taken by the group (you may think of it as "laws enforced", but "law" has an odd flavor of meaning in the absence of government-as-we-know-it) actually conform to a consensus of what the people want enforced, without unduly trampling the dissenters nor creating positions of disproportionate power for individuals? How could people doing investigations be compensated and sustained at an appropriate level by the group? Do some information resources need to be restricted to those doing investigations? I have some ideas on how to do similar things for moderating mailing lists, but no solid ideas yet on how to regulate the use of physical force. Bear

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Matthew Gaylor's Review of "Republic.com" Published in...
by Matthew Gaylor 05 Apr '01

05 Apr '01

My review of Professor Cass Sunstein's book "Republic.Com" appears in: Slashdot: http://slashdot.org/books/ And in the April Issue of The Ethical Spectacle http://www.spectacle.org/ Regards, Matt- ************************************************************************** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: freematt(a)coil.com with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor, 2175 Bayfield Drive, Columbus, OH 43229 (614) 313-5722 ICQ: 106212065 Archived at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fa/ **************************************************************************

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The Cryptography mailing list has moved... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 05 Apr '01

05 Apr '01

FYI ____________________________________________________________________ We have to hate our immediate predecessors to get free of their authority. D.H. Lawrence The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 05 Apr 2001 12:58:16 -0400 From: "Perry E. Metzger" <perry(a)piermont.com> To: coderpunks(a)toad.com Subject: The Cryptography mailing list has moved... For those that don't know, the cryptography mailing list has moved -- it is now cryptography(a)wasabisystems.com (subscriptions via majordomo etc.) It has been up and running there for a while but I forgot to announce it here. Perry

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