December 2001 - cypherpunks-legacy

Tear Gas:Is there are chemist in the house?
by mattd 30 Dec '01

30 Dec '01

Protestors need a plan for dealing with tear gas (english) by Meadow McBride 12:29pm Sun Dec 30 '01 (Modified on 5:58pm Sun Dec 30 '01) Call for ideas on how to deal with tear gas attacks in an organized manner. It seems to me that protestors need a way to deal with the inevitable onslaught of tear gas in a more effective manner. I remember a protestor from Seattle telling me he was able to kick the canister that was emitting the gas back into the direction of the police. It seems to me that if a least a tiny proportion of protestors had access to gas masks, they could be spread amongst the crowd to take quick action against the canisters. Do any people have ideas on what action might be taken to neutralize the canisters? (immersing them in water, for example) add your own comments solution (english) by j 12:51pm Sun Dec 30 '01 canisters get really hot, so wear leather gloves and throw em back. chemistry (english) by mark 1:12pm Sun Dec 30 '01 any chemists here? i assume a solution of some sort would neutralize it? and we could make our own water cannonish things to distribute said magic water....... Revolutionary Anarchist Bucket Brigade (english) by Anonymous 1:31pm Sun Dec 30 '01 Everyone should bring a five-gallon bucket. They can decorate them in various ways, use them as drums, etc. When the canisters fly, just cover them with the buckets. Beat them in their own game (english) by Freedom Fighters 1:36pm Sun Dec 30 '01 Bring your Super Soaker. And let it rain water balloons instead of stones. If they fire the water cannon, let's make it a fight that all sides can enjoy ;-D Caution (english) by drew 1:38pm Sun Dec 30 '01 My cousin is a medic at mass protests, the most common injury he sees is burn marks from kids picking up canisters and throwing them back. They get to very hot temps. Unless you have proper equipment don't risk it to throw them back. Go to the local army surplus store and pick up a few old gas masks, then get some tough gloves. gloves (english) by Sean 2:03pm Sun Dec 30 '01 instead of leather gloves maybe oven mits will work and it wont involve sacrificing an animal. stress preparidness (english) by mike mcgregor 2:12pm Sun Dec 30 '01 address: aZZZZZZZZuijrdcftyui phone: 555 5555 129311011(a)loyalistc.on.ca i think the best way for us to deal with tear gas collectivly, is to stress preparidness. encourage people to pick up gas masks, resperator masks, ski goggles, swim goggles, dive masks, an at the very least, bandannas. we should also stress decontamination teqniques in the feild such as MOFBA and LAW and make sure that at least one person in each affinty group knows these procedures. finally, we should spread the message that the effects of tear gas are temporary, minor, and that we are strong. www.actionfamily.ca Don't pick them up! (english) by cedd 2:30pm Sun Dec 30 '01 Don't pick the heck up those canisters, a fireman did so a fw years ago here (France) during a protest. He was wearing his full fire suit(sp?) and gloves. No need to describe how thick the thinggie can be, their gear is up to par with the one you see US firemen wear in the movies from Hollywood we know and love (grin). Well, he lost his hand when the canister exploded (or what's the word?) while he held it in his fist. The guy will be permanently disabled now. Cannot contribute anything useful to the discussion I'm afraid aprt that.. especially as I'm really inexperienced.. but maybe in the classical RPG lingo, I'd say "favor speed over attack and defense", ie be more mobile than them robocops, move to another street if one is gased.. maybe. Bring a baseball bat... (english) by Daniel Warner 2:50pm Sun Dec 30 '01 ...And when they pitch the canisters, hit a homerun. Lemon juice (english) by ardisson 3:10pm Sun Dec 30 '01 Breath in half a lemon through a bandana. It neutralizes the gas but keep you one hand busy holding the lemon. It's one of the best mean I know. prepare (english) by anarcho 3:36pm Sun Dec 30 '01 It's all well & good to bring your own gas mask etc, i always carry one to protests (2 in fact)... But remeber not everyone read indymedia nor makes a habit out of protesting and hence are likely to be unprepared for tear gas etc... Soo, Collect large amounts of bandanas, carry them soaked in lemon juice or vinegar, whichever you prefer, and have them on hand to give away to people Make little leaflets to give away at protests on how to deal with tear gas, its effects, first aid etc etc Bring lots and lots of water, more than what you need for yourself since many wont have brought any. Have on hand stuff like saline solution or whatever it is Stuff like that, what is important is not just how you deal with tear gas yourself. Having a gas mask is all good but it aint really that worthwhile if the whole crowd is without any protection and hence the protest is broken anyway. It's of course comforting and goo dto have your own, but what is best if if those around you can stand up to the tear gas with you and tear gas does not disperse teh corwd. So yes, buckets, barrels, even pots & pans & bins to cover the canisters. And yeah thick thick gloves so you dont burn yourself throwing them back. And kicking works. Take care all, have fun and i think mostly education is what maybe works best, if people know that they wont suddenly keel over & die when they get gassed then there just may be that slightly less element of panic, if people know what the gas is gunna do to em rather than have it come as an ever ruder shock than it already is, then it's far less likley that things will descend into total panic etc long prongs (english) by tim 3:51pm Sun Dec 30 '01 if you use a pair of long prongs(4-6ft), made of wood, metal or something, hinge it at the middle, and set it up so you can grab the canister and fling it back. just a quick idea. contact lenses (english) by me 4:21pm Sun Dec 30 '01 while we're on the subject, i've heard that tear gas does really nasty things if you're wearing contact lenses - as a result i've worn my glasses in the past but i'd rather not risk them getting broken & stuff if i didn't need to. does anyone know anything about this? Or maybe a hockey stick (english) by P-Luck 4:57pm Sun Dec 30 '01 p-luck(a)redblackflag.ca.tc We've seen many new tactics to deal with tear gas. In Quebec City, people brought buckets, baseball bats and also hockey sticks to throw the canisters back to the cops. And like many of us know, don't pick up the cans unless you have good gloves. You can buy construction gloves, they are very cheap and offers great protection. question about paint inhalators (english) by marco 5:58pm Sun Dec 30 '01 cuito61(a)hotmail.com are the paint inhalators, coupled with a good airtight pair of goggles, as good as a gas mask? you know, the ones you could buy in the hardware store that you see people wear sometimes when they have to do heavy-duty airbrushing.

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Re: CFP: PKI research workshop (fwd)
by Jim Choate 30 Dec '01

30 Dec '01

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 17:01:30 -0700 From: lynn.wheeler(a)firstdata.com To: Ray Dillinger <bear(a)sonic.net>, crawdad(a)fnal.gov, cryptography(a)wasabisystems.com, Peter Gutmann <pgut001(a)cs.auckland.ac.nz>, spki(a)wasabisystems.com Subject: Re: CFP: PKI research workshop somewhat as an aside .... the "gift" cards (and other flavors) that you see at large percentage of retail check-out counters in the US are effectively digital cash ... although the current incarnation results in a different card at every retailer. however, they are online, magstripe-based digital cash .... utilizing the same ubquituous point-of-sale infrastructure as debit & credit (it is just that the transaction routing goes to different online transaction processing than credit & debit). The issue of whether or not it would be possible to use any card at any merchant is more of a business rule issue than a technology issue. note from a higher assurance standpoint ... the x9.59 work is applicable to all electronic transactions .... whether they are credit, debit, e-check, OR (online) digital cash ... AND x9.59 transactions could flow over both existing ubiquituous point-of-sale network and/or a ubiquituous internet network (or any other kind of network). random refs: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/index.html#x959 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/index.html#aads lynn.wheeler(a)firstdata.com on 12/28/2001 4:50 pm wrote: A "local" financial branch implementation and a digital cash implementation might have a number of similar useability attributes .... aka from the standpoint of how local funds do you have immediately available .... aka funds are transferred into you local PDA as digital cash for immediate use .... or funds are transferred into the local financial institution for immediate use. --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo(a)wasabisystems.com

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by ig 30 Dec '01

30 Dec '01

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by mylilculito3 30 Dec '01

30 Dec '01

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Fw: [wwwac] DVD region codes Ti Powerbook (fwd)
by Jim Choate 30 Dec '01

30 Dec '01

---------- Forwarded message ---------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruben Safir" <ruben(a)mrbrklyn.com> To: <ruben(a)mrbrklyn.com> Cc: "Patrick J . Casey" <patrickcasey(a)mindspring.com>; <angela(a)barramundis.com>; <wwwac(a)lists.wwwac.org>; <fairuse(a)mrbrklyn.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 12:44 AM Subject: Re: [wwwac] DVD region codes Ti Powerbook > This was written by a friend of mine. It's very good. > > > > > What is the DMCA? > > The Digital Millennium Copyright Act is a law passed by Congress in 1998. The DMCA was lobbied for by the large movie and music and book and magazine lead to massive distribution of popular movies, recorded music, books, and magazines without any payment to the copyright holders. Under the old pre-DMCA copyright law, buyers of books, albums, and movie tapes had many rights: > > 1. You may make copies for your own use. > > 2. You may lend books, albums, and movies to your friends. You may read a > book aloud with your children. You may invite friends over to dance to the > music of your album. You may view your movie with friends. You may stand > in front of a room full of students and read the book, and you and the > students may talk about the book. > > 3. If you are a library, you may buy one copy of a book, and lend it out > for free to anyone with a library card. You may do the same with an album > and also with a movie. > > 4. You may make copies of parts of the book, the album, and the movie, in > order to discuss it, to make fun of it, and even incorporate the part in a > new work. > > 5. You may sell the book, album, or movie to anyone you wish. > > 6. Any time you want to read the book, listen to the music, view the > movie, you may, without paying one cent more to the copyright holder. You > may do these things as often as you want. > > > We call these traditional rights "Fair Use". But under the DMCA, if the > book, the music, the movie are in "digital form", you have no Fair Use > rights: > > 1. You may not make copies for your own use. > > 2. You may not lend books, albums, and movies to your friends. You may not > read a book aloud with your children. You may not invite friends over to > dance to the music of your album. You may not view your movie with friends. > You may not stand in front of a room full of students and read the book, > and you and the students then talk about the book. You might be allowed to > do some of these things, but only if you get special permission, or else pay > the copyright holder. > > 3. If you are a library, you may not buy one copy of a book, and lend it > out for free to anyone with a library card; rather, you must pay the > copyright holder every time the book is lent out. > > 4. You may not make copies of parts of the book, the album, or the movie, > for any purpose, unless you get special permission from the copyright > holder. > > 5. You may not sell the book, album, or movie to anyone ever. > > 6. Any time you want to read the book, listen to the music, view the > movie, you may not, unless you pay the copyright holder. > > > What effect will the DMCA have on free public libraries and public schools? > > The Association of American Publishers has declared that they plan to close > down all free public libraries. Yes, I know, this sounds too crazy, but > the AAP has repeatedly stated in public that this is their intention. They > will use the Digital Millennium Copyright Act to do so. Further, the AAP > would like to have all use of school library books metered so that they can > get paid every time a child borrows a book. Now, the DMCA does not give > publishers the right to such unfair over-charging if the book is a paper > and ink book. But it does if the book is in digital form. So the large > textbook publishers are pushing hard to get paper and ink books out of all > schools. Indeed, New York University Dental School now requires that all > students use only digital textbooks, so that the publishers and the school > can charge them more than they could if the books were paper and ink books. > The publishers want to do the same for all public schools. That way the > publishers get paid more, the children cannot freely use the school > library, and the cost of the public schools goes up, as what they offer > goes down. Poor children will no longer have full use of public libraries, > nor of their school libraries. > > > What effect will the DMCA have on the personal computer? > > Today, many people have a personal computer at home. Usually this computer > is connected to the Internet, and is used to send and receive mail, to surf > the Net, to listen to music, to find information, to do many things, and > even, sometimes, to play movies. Today your home computer is something that > you control. No one is watching you when you use it. No publisher, and no > secret police. The DMCA, with further legislation proposed by Senator > Hollings, and supported by the Association of American Publishers, the > Recording Industry Association of America, and the Motion Picture > Association of America, will end your right to private use of your computer > in your own house. This proposed law would require every personal computer > sold to have built-in hardware and software whose only purpose is to spy > upon everything you do on the computer. Once again, this sounds > unbelievable, but the movie and record industry associations have already > tried to get such spy stuff into your computer. This year the attempt was > narrowly defeated when programmers around the world found out about it. They > will try again next year, and this time, if the Hollings bill passes, they > will win. That means, that all personal computers sold after a certain date > will have spy stuff in them. It will be a federal criminal offense to > attempt to disable the spy machinery. Why do the big book publishers, the > big popular music companies, and the big movie companies want to put this > spyware into your computer? Because the spyware will allow them to charge > you a fee every time you read a book, listen to some music, watch a movie > using your computer. They also want to know if you try to make a copy of a > book, album, or movie, because under the DMCA you are not allowed to do so. > > > What effect will the DMCA have on the Internet? > > Under old copyright law, a copyright holder would have to go to court and > get a court order to shut down a web site that might be infringing > copyright. But under the DMCA, a single letter from the copyright holder > to your Internet service provider will result in your site being taken down > immediately, whether or not any court later finds you in the wrong. No > evidence need be presented to any court, nor to any law enforcement agency. > This new law has already been used to take down sites that some large > corporation does not like. > > The DMCA goes further though. The DMCA outlaws open public discussion of > how to copy files on your own computer. The excuse here is that such > discussion might lead to copyright infringement. The DMCA makes it a > federal criminal offense to offer for sale utility programs to copy files > that might be "copy protected". If old pre-DMCA copyright law were like > the DMCA, then sale of paper, pencils, pens, ink, cameras, and copy > machines would be a federal offense also. At the time the DMCA was passed > many in Congress and also outside Congress were concerned that this > provision of the law would be used to suppress free speech and free market > competition. The supporters of the DMCA gave assurances that such use > would never be made of this absurd part of the DMCA. Well, in July, Dmitry > Sklyarov was arrested, and later indicted on five counts of violating the > DMCA. If convicted the faces twenty-five years in prison. His offense: a > company he works for sold a program to allow you to copy certain "copy > protected" files from one computer to another. The program checks, as best > it can, that the user of the program has bought and paid for the files > being copied. > > But the DMCA goes yet further. Today all movies on DVD disks sold by the > major movie studios are "copy protected". Under the DMCA, this gives the > movie studios the right to tell you that you may view the movie only by > using certain programs licensed by the DVD Copy Control Association. Now > for some operating systems used by millions of people around the world, > such as GNU/Linux, there is no licensed movie viewing program. But > programmers have written movie viewing programs for these operating > systems. The DMCA gives the movie studios the power to harass anybody who > puts up a web page telling where these programs may be obtained. Right now > several people have been hauled into court by the MPAA for just that. Such > court cases cost millions of dollars to fight. So the MPAA can effectively > stop competition in the market for movie viewing programs, and it can even > effectively stop newspapers from reporting even the existence of such > possibly cheaper and better viewing programs. Now why does the MPAA want > such power? Because without it, you would still have your Fair Use rights > to view at your pleasure, whenever you want, a DVD movie that you have > bought and paid for. Under the DMCA and the Hollings Act, you would have > to pay a fee every time you wanted to view the movie. > > On 2001.12.26 00:16:15 -0500 Ruben Safir wrote: > >> > >> > >>They definetely violate the DMCA and their use is and dtrafficing is considered a felony in the US and coming to a European Counry in near you. > >> > >>Same Bat Time, Same Bat Channel.... > >> > >> > >>Ruben > >> > >>On 2001.12.26 00:05:42 -0500 Patrick J. Casey wrote: > >>>>angela(a)bway.net wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Hi everyone, > >>>>> > >>>>> I'm going to be spending several months in Australia & New Zealand. I'm > >>>>> taking my Ti Powerbook with me. I'd like to be able to rent/watch DVDs > >>>>> downunder, however Australia is Region 4 and North America is Region 1.. > >>>>> > >>>>> Could someone please tell me -- or point an online guide out for me -- how > >>>>> to re-set a DVD region Code? > >>>>> > >>>>> Also, are there any hack that can give me unlimited changes? > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks, > >>>>> Angela > >>>>> > -- > __________________________ > > Brooklyn Linux Solutions > __________________________ > http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting > http://www.brooklynonline.com - For the love of Brooklyn > http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software > http://www.nyfairuse.org - The foundation of Democracy > http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and articles from around the net > http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/mp3/hooked.mp3 - Spring is coming.... > http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown Brooklyn.... > > 1-718-382-5752 > > > > > > ## "Moving Forward..." 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by discrete＠EINSTEIN.ssz.com 30 Dec '01

30 Dec '01

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Fw: [wwwac] DMCA (fwd)
by Jim Choate 30 Dec '01

30 Dec '01

---------- Forwarded message ---------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Sims" <jellicle(a)inch.com> To: <wwwac(a)lists.wwwac.org> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 10:55 PM Subject: [wwwac] DMCA > On Wednesday 26 December 2001 06:00 pm, David Fenton wrote: > > > THIS IS A LIE. > > David, you're wrong. In the U.S. legal system, laws passed supercede > earlier laws that conflict. If a law is passed, "it is legal to strangle > ducks", then it is. If a new law is passed, "it is illegal to strangle > ducks", then it is not. If still another law is passed, "it is legal to > strangle ducks", then it is once again. There's no need to explicitly > delete earlier conflicting laws - although this is sometimes done for the > sake of tidiness - the later date wins, regardless. > > So you're wrong there. But you're mainly wrong because you don't > understand the DMCA. You don't understand how it works, you were fooled > by the subterfuge involved, which, I might add, was explicitly designed to > fool, so you can hardly be blamed. > > Let's see if an analogy helps. > > There is a patch of grass. It is community grass. It is green and > luscious. Everyone likes to walk on it. If Congress banned walking on > it, everyone would be upset. But certain companies don't want people to > walk on it. They get a law passed. It says: "It is illegal to climb over > or break down any fence over one foot high, even to get to a patch of > grass. It is also illegal to tell anyone else how to climb over or break > down such a fence." > > Today the companies are building fences around almost every patch of grass > on the planet. You can still walk on the grass, to be sure - that hasn't > been outlawed. You just can't cross a fence to walk on the grass. And > most of the grass is surrounded, all the way around, by fences. Cross a > fence and you've broken a law. The law barely even mentions grass, > doesn't seem to be - on the face of it - much concerned with grass, only > fences, and yet it nevertheless has kept essentially everyone from walking > on the grass. > > Which is what the companies wanted in the first place. > > If you don't understand this analogy, you don't understand the DMCA. It > is an extraordinarily powerful and far-reaching law. If I were to > continue the analogy, I should go on to describe the possibility of > putting gates in the fences, and charging admission to pass through the > gates - walking on the grass is free you see, but passing through the > fence to get to the grass is not. Not only is there a turnstile, there's > also a bouncer at the gates, and if he doesn't like the look of you, you > can't pass. Anyone can walk on the grass, but only the people the bouncer > likes can pass through the gates. And it's illegal for *anyone* to climb > the fences, even if they have no other way to walk on the grass. Think > about that for a while, and you might see where Ruben and Jay are coming > from. > > Or maybe not. The DMCA is a nice piece of subterfuge, don't be ashamed if > you don't understand how it works. Jay and Ruben are saying "The DMCA > keeps you from walking on the grass" and you are saying "The DMCA doesn't > _outlaw_ walking on the grass", which is true, in a very limited sense of > "true", but basically misleading. The DMCA is an anti-grass-walking law > which does not outlaw walking on the grass. > > > -- > Michael Sims > > > ## "Moving Forward..." Panel now playing: http://www.siliconalley.net/ ## > ## The World Wide Web Artists' Consortium --- http://www.wwwac.org/ ## > ## To Unsubscribe, send an e-mail to: wwwac-unsubscribe(a)lists.wwwac.org ## >

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Re: Tim May;Anarcho-phony,cheap fraud and despicable , coward.RIP.,,
by mattd 30 Dec '01

30 Dec '01

>>On Wed, 26 Dec 2001, mattd wrote: > If your neighbors are irritated by what your doing,you might examine what > your doing. Really? Why? Am I on their property? Using their property? Breaking some sort of public trust? The reality is that people get 'irritated' by the silliest things, two guys (or girls) kissing in public for example. Wanting to burn a flag or a bible. Going to a different church than they do..<<. Pulling your dick,yeah,yeah.The question of "property"is one every opponent of CACL should know backwards. As your a seppo try ... http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/1931/secG5.html "property is theft!" Not causing to much offense means you live longer and so you can irritate your neighbors longer.You have an inalienable right to irritate people:Smug little shits like declan and pompous,pretentious neo-nazis like tim irritate me.I might have them APstered if I can raise enough BUM based e-cash.Care to chip in a proffr dollar?.)

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news.telegraph.co.uk - US missile shortage delays Iraq strike
by Jim Choate 30 Dec '01

30 Dec '01

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Slashdot | "Fast Packet Keying" Improvements to WEP
by Jim Choate 30 Dec '01

30 Dec '01

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