December 2001 - cypherpunks-legacy

Crazy Asians
by mattd 31 Dec '01

31 Dec '01

Subject: MegaStupidity Security comes before rights, Megawati tells military Jakarta: The military may act "without any doubts" against separatists which threaten national unity and, as long as its members respect the law, they need not worry about violating human rights, the President, Megawati Sukarnoputri, said. "Suddenly we are aware ... of the need of a force to protect our beloved nation and motherland from breaking up," the nationalist, who rose to power in July with the backing of the military, said on Saturday. She told top commanders and thousands of troops at a military parade in Jakarta to respect the law in the course of their duties. "With that as your guide, you can do your duty without worrying about being involved in human rights abuses," she said. "Do everything without any doubts." Despite accusations that the army has staged political killings and run death squads, military chiefs say fear of violating human rights has prevented soldiers from cracking down on troublemakers in Indonesia's many conflict zones. Bloodshed in 1999 in East Timor, blamed on the Indonesian army, prompted the United States to sever its relationship with Indonesia's armed forces. The US Congress outlawed the resumption of ties until those responsible for the violence that followed East Timor's vote for independence were brought to justice. Ms Megawati, however, backed the US's war against terrorism and was one of the first foreign leaders to visit Washington after the September 11 attacks. Last week, Washington partly sidestepped its ban by including Indonesia on a list of South-East Asian countries to take part in US-sponsored counterterrorism training programs. Indonesia's army was one of the pillars of the former dictator Soeharto's 32-year reign and he used it to crush any opposition to his regime. Since he was forced from office in 1998, commanders have acknowledged on numerous occasions that members of the army committed human rights abuses. But activists say little has changed in the past three years. The army is accused of committing widespread abuses in the provinces of Irian Jaya and Aceh, where separatists are fighting to break away from Indonesia. On Thursday, the army commander General Endriartono Sutarto said his men's morale was low because of media attention on their alleged abuses. Subject: Singapore Milgram experiment Singapore's PM promotes real world Correspondents in Singapore DECEMBER 31, 2001 INTERNET-obsessed Singaporeans have been told to spend more time taking stock of the real world around them and not drift off as "disembodied" entities in cyberspace. Deputy Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong, in a message to the national youth movement, said young Singaporeans needed to be aware of the republic's fight to survive as a prosperous society in a turbulent region. "Youths are spending more time sitting in front of computers, surfing the net and communicating through emails, ICQ and SMS," Mr Lee said. "You must also grow up sharing common formative experiences in the real world, and bond together as a people. You can only do this through face-to-face interaction," he said. "As a nation we cannot afford to let ourselves drift off individually, to become disembodied, faceless entities in remote corners of cyberspace." Singapore has undergone a meteoric rise in its brief history, being transformed from a tropical backwater with no resources into one of the world's wealthiest nations per head of capita in three decades. Telling the nation's youth that "the internet is not the only reality in your lives", Mr Lee said they needed to understand the backdrop against which Singapore "has to fight to survive including how we made it to where we are today". "They should be exposed to the cultural and society diversity in and outside Singapore, so that they acquire the instincts and knowledge they need to live in a multi-racial society that is located in a turbulent region within a globalised world." Affluent Singapore has been actively promoting an electronic lifestyle among its four million residents, with a mid-year survey showing 60 per cent of homes have at least one computer and most have internet access. A poll of 4000 teenagers showed they spent on average more than 13 hours on line per month. Wonder when they'll discover APster?

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Bikies on a roll
by mattd 31 Dec '01

31 Dec '01

Some clubs you have to kill someone to get in.Mad Matts road warriors demand that you kill a cop. Police brace as bikies rally for run By Layla Tucak December 31, 2001 AS many as 250 Gypsy Jokers bikies are expected to set off from Perth on their annual "run" today, stretching police resources on New Year's Eve. West Australian police conceded yesterday they still did not know the destination of the run, as gang members from across the country converged on Perth by air and car. Their motorcycles, trucked across the Nullarbor in the past two days, were inspected by police concerned about trouble from one of the nation's most notorious gangs. Members of the Jokers are the prime suspects in the car-bomb murders in September of former senior detective Don Hancock and his friend Lou Lewis. Hancock and Lewis were killed a year after gang member Billy Grierson was shot dead by a sniper bullet at Ora Banda in the Goldfields after being kicked out of a pub owned by Hancock. It is thought that Ora Banda may be a destination for today's run, which will be followed by a large police and media contingent. The Jokers who flew to Western Australia at the weekend were questioned and photographed at Perth airport by police. Gang members began pouring into Perth on Friday night and continued to arrive yesterday while police kept a watchful eye at Perth's domestic airport and at the gang's Maddington headquarters. Police sergeant Graham Clifford said yesterday as many police as needed would take part in the operation. "We conduct randon breath-testing and vehicle checks on the general population and these people are no different - except that their his tory is linked to criminal activity," he said. The gang will also be followed by a civil libertarian and an independent observer - Professor Arthur Veno from Monash University - who will document their ride. Sydney Vietnam veteran Ray Jennings was also planning to join the group to act as its public relations spokesman but a police source said the gang had since discharged him of the role. Police relations with the bikie gang have deteriorated since the double murder, which has resulted in multiple searches of gang hang-outs but no arrests

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jamesd,Tim Mays lying black dog.
by mattd 31 Dec '01

31 Dec '01

>>In that direct reply McKay confidently announces that I am lying, and confidently announces that he is refuting my claims. He then gives a long list of facts that supposedly refute my claims, but which actually seem to confirm them, then confidently announces I have been refuted.<< Such as at http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/9879/jamesd.html Should have got a patent on that technique jamesd.nevermind.Facts never got in the way of a good fairy story. >>McKay's evidence does not support his claim that Catalonia was anarchist. Instead, if his account and interpretation was true, it would be evidence that Catalonia was a benign dictatorship reluctantly forced to use a small amount of very necessary terror by the wickedness and recalcitrance a small number of those it ruled.<< Twisting McKay could be as difficult as twisting Chompsky,still the big lie... Easy to check http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/2374/blood.html I still swear by "objectivity and liberal scholarship."by Chompsky.Also Orwell,Oh, and Bookchins,"The spanish anarchists" >>He announces that I am wrong in some great big important way, but when you carefully read the alleged errors of my terrible "reign of error", he is making distinctions so minute that no one could possibly care, and in many cases distinctions so fine that no one save himself could possibly understand. << This would seem to describe jamesd's MO to a T.See http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/9879/jamesd.html If they are good enough for you to attack chomsky with you cant squeal to much when they are used on you,can you jimmy? You ARE wrong in some big important ways,you have a hirstory of it and your last refuge with imbeciles like Tim is under assault.The CALCers Tora Bora's are about to be firebombed,run jimmy run!

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Faustines little pistil.
by mattd 30 Dec '01

30 Dec '01

>>What I am arguing in this book is that the major source of structural change in this society--the change in the mode of innovation in the relation of science to technology and in public policy-- is the change in the character of of knowledge: the exponential growth and branching of science, the rise of a new intellectual technology, the creation of systematic research through R&D budgets, and as the calyx of all this, the codification of theoretical knowledge." Any thoughts? Also, I'd be interested in any other authors (and recommended works)you find useful re. these issues... thanks! ~Faustine.<< Hear you go darlin'...Justines bliss bung. black hole of infinite gravity -- unescapable. event horizon? yeah man..i crossed it. no turning back kemosabi, i'm abe froman -- the sausage king. i'm going deep baby. hear me? lickin' it. flippin' it. stickin' it...just getting started honey. soup? no thanks..i'll take the tossed salad. anal eaze? negative captain. the kitty is drooling -- drooling south. i'm taking the highway and i'm not talking i-95. reachin' around, tweaking those pencil erasers -- heading for the rim. swish, 2 points. deep -- steady -- slow. teasin', teasin', teasin'. a light brush against her clinton. got it? sigh -- deeper now. time to pick it up scotty. captain -- the ship cann't take it, i'm givin' her all she got! never. rub the button faster now. captain -- shes quivering..shaking. here she C U M S. i'm backing the lincoln out of the garage now. stroking it slow and hard. here it cums baby -- silky. warm milky imbricated art for you my love. a mural of sorts. i call it the "chocolate star fish." Or try Bookchin's post scarcity anarchism if you like academic verbiage and talk guns with little timmy may if you like to watch a grown man masturbate.

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Bill gates and Tim May need killing
by mattd 30 Dec '01

30 Dec '01

Liars,cheats and bullies never prosper,or do they? This fine pair sure seem to.Sometimes we shoot for the moon and do those other things not because its easy...but because its hard.Its time for a new generation of crypto-anarchists to ask not what freenets can do for me but what I can do for freenets. We have irrefutable evidence that gates and May are capitalist robber barons intent on preserving hegemony even after collapse of govts.These corporate criminals live holed up in heavily armed and surveilled compounds yet at some point every scummy little crook has to come out from under their rock.Even if like BG,its to promise to give back some minuscule fraction of what he stole.Is there any evidence that the wealth they accumulated showered down as a result of their intrinsic worth?The sheer quality of their contributions? Read them both and make up your own mind.Some minor stuff here and there,not enough to save them,simply enough to show that even the worst humans that ever lived had at least one faintly redeeming feature hidden somewhere. The only interesting thing now about the certain fate of these 2 is if they realize how close to death they are and run.I hear there are some empty caves available in afghanistan.The APster justice posse will still find and destroy them. -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GMC d-(--) s:+ a? C++ UL++ P+ L++>++++ !E W++ N+(++) o? K+ w--- !O M-- V? PS+++ PE Y+ PGP- t* 5+++ X R* tv b+ DI+ D++ G++>+++ e>++ h-- r++ y+ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------

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Re: Stalled post to cypherpunks
by Bill O'Hanlon 30 Dec '01

30 Dec '01

Please allow me to apologize -- I'm considering replacing the ds.pro-ns.net CDR node. "cryptofortress.com" is mine, and I had believed I only had it set up to forward cypherpunks postings to a testing list while I worked on the details. Obviously, this was not the case, and I have deactivated it while I look for the cause of the problem. I realize that mailing lists doing this sort of thing is irritating, and I'll try to make sure it doesn't happen again. -Bill On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 06:10:08PM -0800, Tim May wrote: > > > Whomever "cryptofortress.com" is, I strongly suggest they get with the > program. > > I didn't send my message to their address, except as the lne.com site > sent it along. To send a bounce or "requires the approval of" message > to me (and I suspect, to many others) is broken. > > First few paragraphs included below. > > --Tim May > > > On Sunday, December 30, 2001, at 03:12 PM, cypherpunks- > owner(a)cryptofortress.com wrote: > > > Your message to cypherpunks has been delayed, and requires the approval > > of the moderators, for the following reason(s): > > > > Invalid Approve Header > > > > If you do not wish the message to be posted, or have other concerns, > > please send a message to the list owners at the following address: > > cypherpunks-owner(a)cryptofortress.com > > > > From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> > > Date: Sun Dec 30, 2001 02:53:15 PM US/Pacific > > To: cypherpunks(a)lne.com > > Subject: Choices of small handguns > .... > > > --Tim May > "How we burned in the prison camps later thinking: What would things > have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to > make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive?" > --Alexander Solzhenitzyn, Gulag Archipelago >

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30 Dec '01

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Prime rib with Giblet gravy
by mattd 30 Dec '01

30 Dec '01

Police demand email surrender.Proffr demands presidential assassination. Wires DECEMBER 27, 2001 A US MAN accused of sending harassing emails to an American police department has been told to surrender - via email. Police in Rowlett, Texas, informed John Germer, 38, that a warrant had been issued for his arrest on a misdemeanor harassment charge. Police said an attorney representing Germer called them a short time later to ask how and when Germer could surrender. As part of an agreement between police and Germer's attorney, the department agreed to withhold prosecution if Germer completes counselling therapy and agrees in writing to use his real name in any more communications with the department. The emails, which began in April, were sent to police and some city employees, including the mayor. The sender used the name "Giblet Gravy". Police turned to Hotmail to track down the sender. Authorities initially ignored the emails, which they described as annoying, harassing and sometimes vulgar. But the number of incidents picked up in November and that led to a formal investigation http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,3495753%5E15319%5E%5Enbv%5E…

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RE: Choices of small handguns
by Jonathan Wienke 30 Dec '01

30 Dec '01

I have a Para-Ordnance P10.45, a 1911 variant with a double-stack 10 rd magazine and a shortened grip. it is a little on the wide side for true concealed carry, but it is very compact and 10 rounds of 45 ACP is sufficient for most concealed carry tasks. I have the steel version, and I like it very much. It has a chunky feel to it and is surprisingly controllable and accurate for such a small gun. It shoots comfortably, too at least with the Hogue grip I put on it. It's well worth considering for a CCW.

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Testing nerve gas in OZ.
by mattd 30 Dec '01

30 Dec '01

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,3513192%255E662,0… Secret nerve gas project By COLIN JAMES 31dec01 AUSTRALIAN defence scientists conducted top-secret experiments with nerve gas during the British atomic tests in the 1950s, classified documents show. The chemical warfare program included Maralinga, where investigations were undertaken on the contamination of water supplies by nerve gas and nuclear explosions. Documents also show Australian scientists closely monitored a US project in which human volunteers were used to test a pill to treat the effects of radiation. The US scientists earlier developed a kit they claimed would make water contaminated with radiation safe for drinking within 15 minutes. The top-secret memorandums reveal the Australian Army wanted scientists to investigate how water supplies could be decontaminated during nuclear and chemical warfare. Nuclear test veterans seeking compensation said yesterday the documents raised new questions about the nature of the British nuclear tests in Australia. Long-term campaigner Avon Hudson, of Balaklava in South Australia, said the documents proved the tests went beyond the explosion of nuclear devices at Maralinga, Emu Field and the Montebello Islands off Western Australia. "These documents are the only ones we have ever seen which show that chemical warfare was part of the whole program," he said. "This has never come out before and the question has to be asked about what else they (the British and Australian governments) have been hiding for all these years. "There must be other files somewhere which would reveal exactly what was going on in terms of chemical and biological warfare, but where they are now is anybody's guess." The memorandums issued from the Defence Standards Laboratories detail how the Victorian facility began experiments with nerve gas in 1957, with further work on the decontamination of water supplies beginning in 1959. One document says the nerve gas experiments were overseen by a Dr J. Tregellas-Williams, whose "initial work is being concentrated on a study of the hydrolysis of nerve gas GB at various PH". The memorandum says scientist Dr P.W. Bowe began work on the contamination of water supplies by nerve gas and nuclear devices in May, 1959. He had "discussions with various army personnel and has visited Maralinga" to "gain an appreciation of the problem".END. Aum Shrinko sect from japan tested Sarin on a sheep farm they owned in WA,several years back.PR.

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