December 2001 - cypherpunks-legacy

IP: FBI Reorganization Posted
by mattd 05 Dec '01

05 Dec '01

The death lists by proffr1(a)nospamfuckmicrosoft.com 5:47am Thu Dec 6 '01 Honeywell helped the phoenix program in 'nam and PROMIS stolen software helped round em up in guatamala and the old south africa.This mob just got 80 million to be the next. http://www.csc.com.au/ here in Australia. But first, a little background information about CSC. We are a full-scope, global IT services company. We pride ourselves on providing real solutions to customers' business problems. These solutions range from management consulting, systems development, systems integration to outsourcing. Our solutions are based on experience, innovation and total capability. Being part of the global CSC offers our customers here access to some of the world's best people, processes, intellectual property and technology. We leverage the very best ideas and approaches from our worldwide industry verticals (such as Financial Services and Healthcare). We access those market-leading services from our global operations (like Outsourcing) to complement the regional and local relationships developed with our customers. The DoD's Computer Investigations Training Program offered its first class, Introduction to Computer Search and Seizure, in September 1998. More...at... http://sydney.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=9108&group=webcast and www.cryptome.org of corse.

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Re: Reputation of a Reputation
by Faustine 05 Dec '01

05 Dec '01

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Tim wrote: >This is "the reputation of a reputation." >As soon as people tumble to the fact that "Tom Clancy" has sold his >nym/reputation to some hack writer, that is, let them put his name on >their words, then the reputation of "Tom Clancy" falls. >Nothing new here. "Fisher" was a respected (high reputation) name in >stereo equipment. (I don't like the term "reputation," due to issues >I've discussed here, but I'm using it in the commonly understood sense.) >The name Fisher was bought by a Taiwan maker of equipment, and one can >now see "Fisher" on boxes at Costco and Best Buy. >Draw your own conclusions. My own sense is that no one is fooled: those >young enough not to know what "Fisher" once was don't care. Those old >enough to know aren't fooled. I expect the brand name Fisher sold for >very little money, reflecting all of these issues. Great points, but consider the example "Harvard University." People are willing to pay a premium to be associated with it regardless of the academic worth of the individual programs in the eyes of specialists. A lot of students are after the cachet and couldn't care less about the curriculum. But then, I'm sure it's a mistake to assume education for it's own sake has the slightest thing to do with why the majority of people bother going to college at all. Ridiculous how so many employers put such stock in a word on a piece of paper too--pure credentialism. How ironic when you contrast that with the fact that the great Herman Kahn didn't have a PhD. I wonder where he'd end up today. Someone once remarked that the most unimaginitive, laziest Harvard graduate students at the bottom of their class tend to end up at the IMF and UN. Sort of sinkholes of mediocrity. Oh well! ~Faustine. *** The right to be let alone is indeed the beginning of all freedoms. - --William O. Douglas, Associate Justice, US Supreme Court -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. (Diffie-Helman/DSS-only version) iQA/AwUBPAvjEfg5Tuca7bfvEQLJAwCeLOsOt6pEuBELu+p8zN7boPrf9z4AoJeA BVIpjCrxsgAZdMQ9ujYld9NL =1lef -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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(no subject)
by Jim M. Poland 05 Dec '01

05 Dec '01

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eCash reported morbidly wounded
by measl＠mfn.org 05 Dec '01

05 Dec '01

http://fuckedcompany.com/ >Cashed Rumor has it eCash.net will be closing down any day now... aquisition fell through, around 40 people soon-to-be jobless. When: 12/4/2001 Company: eCash.net Severity: 100 - new hall of fame inductee! -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin(a)mfn.org If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Speech May Not Be Free, but It's Refundable
by David Honig 05 Dec '01

05 Dec '01

At 11:42 AM 12/3/01 -0500, Sunder wrote: >Ok, then I propose to surround your property from any vantage point on >public land, and setup gigantic speakers from which I would recite very >loud speeches in your direction at 3:00am. Why not do some high-power microwave testing in his direction?

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PriceWatch Alert! TTWO - AOL - EBAY - QQQ - - DELL
by PowerOptionsPlus 05 Dec '01

05 Dec '01

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05 Dec '01

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Reputation capital
by Marcel Popescu 05 Dec '01

05 Dec '01

I think all this stuff about reputations is being solved pretty neatly by the credit bureaus... up to getting scalars on people / companies. Mark

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Untraceable money now more than ever!
by Tim May 05 Dec '01

05 Dec '01

Or, "Why We Fight." Just thought I'd pass along this gem I found in one of the newsgroups. If true, it shows the unlawful/extralegal reach of government into the pockets of persons not tried, not convicted, not even charged, not even plausibly guilty of anything. This guy is having his OWN MONEY blocked, probed, and frozen. No charges, no court, just done by forces unseen to him. Editorial comment: The Founders would likely be stunned to see bureaucrats in a distant city able to reach in and essentially grab the money of a person without any due process, without fines or court-ordered seizures, just on the say-so of a bureaucrat. This guy below _wrote_ about it, so there are probably hundreds more just like him who choose not to further anger Big Brother by writing angry letters. Me, I'd be so angry I'd probably be strapping on the plastic explosives.... Read it and stoke your righteous anger: --begin article-- This was in today's Washington Post. Check it out at www.washingtonpost.com =============== Letters to the Post == Whose Sacrifice? Monday, December 3, 2001; Page A20 American citizens are willing to sacrifice civil liberties in the fight against terrorism [front page, Nov. 29], but which Americans are doing the sacrificing? Since Sept. 11 the FBI has interviewed me at work and at home because my name is similar not to that of one of the hijackers, but to an individual arrested with suspected links to the terrorists. The FBI has contacted my broker, my neighbors and my friends to learn more about me. I was purchasing an apartment, but when I needed to give my down payment at closing I was informed by my bank that my accounts were frozen. No one informed me nor could anyone help me resolve the problem. Only an angry settlement attorney was able to unfreeze the funds. A month passed, and all seemed normal. Then I found out again that I did not have access to transfer funds from my accounts without government approval. I am a federal employee. I have not been charged with a crime. I do not support terrorism, and I was willing to help the law enforcement agencies. It was my duty as an American to answer all the questions asked of me. But as time goes by and I have to get "clearance" every time I want to make a bank transfer, I feel victimized. Every time I travel and receive the extra security checks because of my name it makes me trust my government less. What scares me even more is that I am an American citizen, and that is why I am not in jail. If I were not a citizen I could be one of the hundreds of detainees, or I could be in sitting in front of a secret military court only because the crime I am guilty of is that my name is Ali Ayub and not Joe Smith. ALI AYUB Arlington ˇ 2001 The Washington Post Company --end article-- --Tim May "If I'm going to reach out to the the Democrats then I need a third hand.There's no way I'm letting go of my wallet or my gun while they're around." --attribution uncertain, possibly Gunner, on Usenet

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by Mailer-Daemon＠city.toronto.on.ca 05 Dec '01

05 Dec '01

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