December 2001 - cypherpunks-legacy

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by yourdailydeal 05 Dec '01

05 Dec '01

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Bad Opsec: Afghan hills, atavan for geologists
by Alfred Qaeda 05 Dec '01

05 Dec '01

excerpts from http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-120501shroder.story about the importance of operational security Later CNN gave Shroder an enhanced copy of the complete tape. It revealed that the camera operator did not turn off the camera while he removed it from the tripod. As he tilted the camera up, the outline of the top of the ravine was caught on two frames. Armed with this new information, Shroder was able to place Bin Laden in a province in the south. ....... "They told me, 'You guys have made yourselves a little too vulnerable,' " he said. Now, the nondescript room Shroder and his team use to assemble and analyze maps of Afghanistan has been secured: digital locks and 24-hour audio and video surveillance. "I'm now a worldwide target."

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Fwd: Reputation capital
by Tim May 05 Dec '01

05 Dec '01

[Retransmission. Due to periodic problems with lne.com, I started sending my messages to ssz.com a few days ago. Alas, ssz.com has had an outage. Hence these retransmissions. Sorry for any dupes.] Begin forwarded message: > From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> > Date: Tue Dec 04, 2001 08:56:01 AM US/Pacific > To: cypherpunks(a)einstein.ssz.com > Subject: Re: Reputation capital > > > On Tuesday, December 4, 2001, at 05:28 AM, Marcel Popescu wrote: > >> I think all this stuff about reputations is being solved pretty neatly >> by >> the credit bureaus... up to getting scalars on people / companies. >> >> Mark >> > > This is naive. Credit bureaus handle only a particular class of > reputations, certain types of credit-worthiness, and then with > well-documented deep flaws: > > -- regulation by government > > -- "Fair Credit Reporting Act" forbids them from "remembering" certain > classes of defaults and welshings > > -- lack of competition (the Three use the same precise standards) > > > If you are rejoining the discussions after a long absence, you need to > get up to speed. > > > > > --Tim May > "The Constitution is a radical document...it is the job of the > government to rein in people's rights." --President William J. Clinton > > --Tim May "That government is best which governs not at all." --Henry David Thoreau

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Re: fuel injected firearm,
by mattd 05 Dec '01

05 Dec '01

One of the improvised weapons of choice these days is LPG bombs and mortars.Im not an urbane guerrilla(yet) but does anyone want to condense something out of this? PDF] Code of Practice on the Use of LPG for the Production of ... File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML ... 4.3.4 All LPG mortars shall be clearly marked ... known as black powder bombs. Liquefied petroleum gas ( ) , as ... to in paragraph (a). LPG ( ) , an abbreviation for ... www.info.gov.hk/tela/forms/form-q.pdf - Similar pages [PDF] Code of Practice on the Use, Storage and Conveyance of ... File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML ... the Code of Practice on the Use of LPG for the Production of Special Effects (CP2 ... shall not be used for concussion mortars or flash pots. 2.7.6 Binary ... www.info.gov.hk/tela/forms/form-p.pdf - Similar pages [ More results from www.info.gov.hk ] Rediff on the Net: India Online News Information ... ... and not country-made bombs -- were used. ... More. ... rocket launchers and heavy mortars -- to the area. ... More. ... tearing hurry to unload LPG as they were already ... www.rediff.com/news/octweek1.htm - 27k - Cached - Similar pages ModernRules ... Width X Depth. Aircraft (assorted bombs), 4" X 6". 2-3 ... 10, 8, 6, 8 / 7 / 6. < < < < < Mortars and guns under 90mm. ... Roll 1D6 for Soviet 73mm LPG on BMP1's Failure to KO ... www.gpa63.dial.pipex.com/wargames/modern/modernrules.htm - 32k - Cached - Similar pages Code of Pratice LPG ... 4.3.4, All LPG mortars shall be clearly marked with the maximum ... Lifters are also known as black powder bombs. ... LPG (%[*o.p), an abbreviation for liquefied ... www.tela-esela.gov.hk/en/CodeOfPractice/CP2_LPG.html - 101k - Cached - Similar pages [DOC] Figure 3-9 File Format: Microsoft Word 97 for Macintosh - View as HTML ... It produced liquefied petroleum gases (LPG), fuels, petroleum coke ... forces using rockets, bombs, artillery, machine gun tracers, and mortars on six occasions ... dcdd.amedd.army.mil/ict/mout/FM%2090-10-1%20latest%20version/ Appendix%20Q.doc - Similar pages

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ssz switchover test
by measl＠mfn.org 05 Dec '01

05 Dec '01

testing lne: ssz appears down hard :-( 1235 -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin(a)mfn.org If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Your WirelessDeveloper Password
by The WirelessDeveloper Team 05 Dec '01

05 Dec '01

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Re: Russian Party of Pensioners Manifesto,
by mattd 05 Dec '01

05 Dec '01

"Without property rights in the means of production to separate one man's plan from another man's plan, there can only be one plan, one plan for everything, one plan for everyone, one plan that all must obey." Libertarianism? Its the one plan here that all must obey.The ubergeeks one true religon.Yet you seek to rip off the hard earned kudos of 'anarchy' and 'punk'.You stand exposed as the fraud you are james by your own straw man argument. Will you denounce the march for capitalism for its rank socialist organising and marching?

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Fwd: Untraceable money now more than ever!
by Tim May 05 Dec '01

05 Dec '01

[Retransmission. Due to periodic problems with lne.com, I started sending my messages to ssz.com a few days ago. Alas, ssz.com has had an outage. Hence these retransmissions. Sorry for any dupes.] Begin forwarded message: > From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> > Date: Tue Dec 04, 2001 08:50:24 AM US/Pacific > To: cypherpunks(a)einstein.ssz.com > Subject: Untraceable money now more than ever! > > Or, "Why We Fight." > > Just thought I'd pass along this gem I found in one of the newsgroups. > If true, it shows the unlawful/extralegal reach of government into the > pockets of persons not tried, not convicted, not even charged, not even > plausibly guilty of anything. > > This guy is having his OWN MONEY blocked, probed, and frozen. No > charges, no court, just done by forces unseen to him. > > Editorial comment: The Founders would likely be stunned to see > bureaucrats in a distant city able to reach in and essentially grab the > money of a person without any due process, without fines or > court-ordered seizures, just on the say-so of a bureaucrat. This guy > below _wrote_ about it, so there are probably hundreds more just like > him who choose not to further anger Big Brother by writing angry > letters. > > Me, I'd be so angry I'd probably be strapping on the plastic > explosives.... > > Read it and stoke your righteous anger: > > --begin article-- > This was in today's Washington Post. Check it out at > www.washingtonpost.com > > =============== Letters to the Post == > Whose Sacrifice? > > Monday, December 3, 2001; Page A20 > > American citizens are willing to sacrifice civil liberties in the fight > against terrorism [front page, Nov. 29], but which Americans are doing > the sacrificing? > > Since Sept. 11 the FBI has interviewed me at work and at home because > my name is similar not to that of one of the hijackers, but to an > individual arrested with suspected links to the terrorists. > > The FBI has contacted my broker, my neighbors and my friends to learn > more about me. I was purchasing an apartment, but when I needed to give > my down payment at closing I was informed by my bank that my accounts > were frozen. No one informed me nor could anyone help me resolve the > problem. Only an angry settlement attorney was able to unfreeze the > funds. > > A month passed, and all seemed normal. Then I found out again that I > did not have access to transfer funds from my accounts without > government approval. > > I am a federal employee. I have not been charged with a crime. I do not > support terrorism, and I was willing to help the law enforcement > agencies. It was my duty as an American to answer all the questions > asked of me. > > But as time goes by and I have to get "clearance" every time I want to > make a bank transfer, I feel victimized. Every time I travel and receive > the extra security checks because of my name it makes me trust my > government less. What scares me even more is that I am an American > citizen, and that is why I am not in jail. If I were not a citizen I > could be one of the hundreds of detainees, or I could be in sitting in > front of a secret military court only because the crime I am guilty of > is that my name is Ali Ayub and not Joe Smith. > > ALI AYUB > > Arlington > > 7 2001 The Washington Post Company > > --end article-- > > > > --Tim May > "If I'm going to reach out to the the Democrats then I need a third > hand.There's no way I'm letting go of my wallet or my gun while they're > around." --attribution uncertain, possibly Gunner, on Usenet --Tim May "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the Public Treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits from the Public Treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy always followed by dictatorship." --Alexander Fraser Tyler

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Fwd: Russian Manifesto, long and probably useless
by Tim May 05 Dec '01

05 Dec '01

[Retransmission. Due to periodic problems with lne.com, I started sending my messages to ssz.com a few days ago. Alas, ssz.com has had an outage. Hence these retransmissions. Sorry for any dupes.] Begin forwarded message: > From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> > Date: Tue Dec 04, 2001 09:25:34 AM US/Pacific > To: cypherpunks(a)einstein.ssz.com > Subject: Re: Russian Manifesto, long and probably useless > > > On Tuesday, December 4, 2001, at 04:14 AM, Fyodor wrote: > >>> <<Only in our country is it possible for such an ineffective, >>> talentless >>> government to exist.>> >>> >>> Here we go again! I mean, I'm sure the Russian government is >>> incompetent - >>> but to decry that? Pray for more! The more incompetent they are, the >>> more >>> chances you have of developing an economy behind their backs. >>> >> >> Wrong. Having russian background I guess I have more clear >> understanding >> what these guys are trying to say: The government is definetely >> ineffective in protecting its citizen, providing the social wealthfare >> to them and such, but on the other hand the government corruption, deep >> involvement with crimilal circles and udertable deals with big foreign >> corporations bring the country into the situation when the rulling top >> of the country is having/sharing a huge amount (can't bring any >> number) of >> all the profits, while the rest of population (especially pensioners in >> russia (people of age of 50 and above, who are brought up in >> post-socialist environment and are totally incapable to adopt to new >> environment)) are thrown and maintained in poverty. > > This matches everything I have seen about Russia. It simply is > implausible that "corruption and inefficiency means more opportunities > for economies behind their backs" (to summarize the argument). > > What Russia shows is that privatizing a state-run economy is difficult > indeed. Gazprom, the big gas and energy company, is a case in point. > There was no "free market" to acquire the resources of this > "privatized" company: the thugs and apparatchniks (sp?) grabbed the > company. And they are willing to use former KGB, GRU, and Spetsnaz > killers to enforce their monopoly. > > What about non-heavy industry? Television, for example? Read about the > ongoing shutdown of Moscow independent stations and networks, on flimsy > grounds having the _language_ of capitalism (stuff about "loan > default") but actually being just part of the thugocracy approach. (The > U.S. is not blameless here. Our own FCC applies similar rules sometimes > to block stations. And woe unto any Islamic broadcaster, where the new > language is that the First Amendment does not apply to "hate speech" or > "speech insulting to other religions." At this rate, the long-awaited > convergence of Russia and America is not far off.) > > Russia as a haven for Havenco? For digital money? For e-commerce? > > Laughable. > > --Tim May >> > --Tim May > "If I'm going to reach out to the the Democrats then I need a third > hand.There's no way I'm letting go of my wallet or my gun while they're > around." --attribution uncertain, possibly Gunner, on Usenet > > --Tim May "How we burned in the prison camps later thinking: What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive?" --Alexander Solzhenitzyn, Gulag Archipelago

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Imagine Bob owns an ISP...
by Olav Stetter 05 Dec '01

05 Dec '01

Hello everyone! I thought the following question might be of interest: Imagine Bob owns an ISP. Bob doesn't like government agencies very much and has (yet) no surveillence equipment installed. Alice now makes a contract with Bob that he provides internet access to Alice and she pays for it. If Bob is forced to install Carnivore-like equipment or anything of the like, he promises to tell Alice immediately. If he doesn't and Alice finds out, he has to pay [insert very large sum here] $ to Alice. Now what happens when Bob is legally (or otherwise) forced to make his network a "patriotic" one and isn't allowed to tell Alice? (as it is proposed in this "Convention on Cyber-Crime" by the European Union; at least that is my reading, which may very well be wrong; but in fact it is of no relevance here) Thanks, Olav Stetter -- Noch sind sie gleich bereit, zu weinen und zu lachen, Sie ehren noch den Schwung, erfreuen sich am Schein; Wer fertig ist, dem ist nichts rechts zu machen; Ein Werdender wird immer dankbar sein. -- Faust I, J. W. v. Goethe

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