November 2001 - cypherpunks-legacy

Fw: NYTimes.com Article: Gun Foes Use Terror Issue in a Push for Stricter Laws
by Marcel Popescu 13 Nov '01

13 Nov '01

> Gun Foes Use Terror Issue in a Push for Stricter Laws > > November 13, 2001 > > By FOX BUTTERFIELD > > > > > Gun-control organizations have seized on the Sept. 11 > terrorist attacks to argue that any crackdown on terrorism > should include tightening gun laws, particularly the so- > called loophole that allows many people to buy weapons at > gun shows without background checks. > > Although efforts to close the loophole have failed in > Congress, the gun- control groups are hoping to try again > by recasting the issue as one of homeland defense. They > point to several weapons-related arrests of noncitizens, > some with links to terrorist groups, as examples of the > urgency of changing the law. > > On Sept. 10, for example, a jury in Detroit convicted Ali > Boumelhem, a member of the terrorist group Hezbollah, on > charges of conspiring to smuggle guns and ammunition to > Lebanon. The F.B.I. had observed Mr. Boumelhem buying > weapons at gun shows in Michigan. > > Last year, a man accused of being a member of the Irish > Republican Army, Conor Claxton, testified in federal court > in Fort Lauderdale that he had gone to South Florida to buy > guns at gun shows to smuggle to Northern Ireland. > > And on Oct. 30, Muhammad Navid Asrar, a Pakistani, pleaded > guilty in Texas to immigration charges and to illegal > possession of ammunition. The authorities said that in the > last seven years, Mr. Asrar, an illegal immigrant, had > bought several weapons at gun shows, including a Sten > submachine gun, a Ruger Mini- 14 rifle, two pistols and a > hunting rifle. > > Mr. Asrar said he resold the weapons at gun shows, but a > federal grand jury is investigating whether he may be > linked to Al Qaeda terrorists, said Daniel Bueno, the > police chief of Alice, Tex., where Mr. Asrar owned a > convenience store and gasoline station that carried little > merchandise. Mr. Asrar has also aroused the authorities' > suspicion when he asked his employees to take pictures of > tall buildings and mail letters for him from Pennsylvania > back to Texas. > > Matthew Bennett, the director of public affairs for > Americans for Gun Safety, said his group had begun a > campaign to get out the message that because "terrorists > are getting guns at gun shows, it is time for Congress to > act on this issue." > > The campaign, Mr. Bennett said, will include advertising in > publications that members of Congress read, like Roll Call; > working with state gun-safety groups to get voters to call > their senators and representatives; and mailings of > material intended to persuade local politicians to push for > state laws closing the gun-show loophole. > > "Now that we know for certain that terrorists have bought > guns at gun shows," said John Cowan, president of Americans > for Gun Safety, "basic political sense will tell you > Congress needs to act in a bipartisan way to close that > dangerous loophole. This could signal a historic shift in > the gun debate." > > Michael Barnes, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent > Gun Violence, formerly known as Handgun Control, offered a > similar argument. > > "You would think," Mr. Barnes said, "the Congress would > have rushed to address this issue in the aftermath of Sept. > 11, with terrorists having such easy access to guns in the > United States." > > But James Baker, the chief lobbyist for the National Rifle > Association, called the gun-control groups' effort "a > fairly crass attempt to bootstrap their agenda on the > tragedy of Sept. 11." > > The terrorists, Mr. Baker said, commandeered the planes > they crashed into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon > "with box cutters, and I don't see anyone talking about > closing down True Value hardware stores." > > The gun-show loophole exists because federal law, which > requires background checks for anyone buying a gun from a > federally licensed firearms dealer, even at a gun show, > does not require a check for someone who buys a gun from a > private seller at a gun show. Buyers can acquire guns in > those transactions without questions or the need to show > identification. > > Efforts to change the law have failed in Congress, partly > because of concerns by gun-rights advocates that background > checks delay transactions. They can take as long as three > days, and weekend gun shows last only two. Many supporters > of the right to own guns object to any restrictions on > ownership. > > Senator John McCain, who introduced a bill earlier this > year to close the loophole, said in a telephone interview > that after Congress returned from its Christmas recess, he > expected to push again for passage of his bill, perhaps as > part of some homeland defense legislation. > > "I believe the terrorists are exploiting a loophole in our > laws so they don't have to have a background check," > Senator McCain, an Arizona Republican, said. "It is hard to > understand why we don't change this, but the N.R.A. remains > extremely powerful." > > Mr. Baker, the rifle association lobbyist, said these cases > showed that "the system works," because the three men with > terrorist links who bought guns at gun shows were > eventually arrested, even if they were not detected by a > background check. > > http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/13/national/13GUNS.html?ex=1006672454&ei=1&en =5d0b67526ff44150

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Re: Cypherpunks Rating System
by mmotyka＠lsil.com 13 Nov '01

13 Nov '01

Eric Murray <ericm(a)lne.com> wrote : >On Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 09:40:26AM +0100, Nomen Nescio wrote: >> Cypherpunk Rating System > >[..] > >Go for it-- set up your own CDR with the rating system implemented. > >http://einstein.ssz.com/cdr/ tells you how to set up a CDR >and if you have any questions you can ask me or Jim. > >The only way to make it happen is to actually implement it yourself. > >Eric > The Historical Guide Declan suggested would be far more interesting.

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13 Nov '01

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Al Jazeera plans version in English
by !Dr. Joe Baptista 13 Nov '01

13 Nov '01

Finally - real british style news reporting and real journalism to balance the constant jibberish one see's on CNN and for that matter most of the north american news channels. joe Source: The Telegraph - UK Type: Web Pointer; Sample URL: http://news.telegraph.co.uk Date: 12 Nov 2001 Title: Al Jazeera plans version in English TEXT: Al Jazeera plans version in English By Charles Clover in Doha (Filed: 12/11/2001) THE only television station broadcasting live from Taliban-held areas of Afghanistan plans to introduce an English version early next year. Al Jazeera, based in Qatar, has around 15 million viewers a day in the Arab world, including satellite subscribers in the West. But, as it broadcasts in Arabic, it does not have the global audiences that broadcasting in English could bring it. Clips from Al Jazeera's footage of the bombing of Kabul and the video messages sent by Osama bin Laden to its office in Kabul have been used by networks around the world, including the BBC, ITN, CNN and Sky News. But the station has been accused by Colin Powell, the US secretary of state, and Tony Blair of screening broadcasts which could contain coded messages and Taliban propaganda without a critical commentary. Ibrahim Hilal, the 32-year-old Egyptian editor-in-chief of the station, said he was under intense pressure from managers to launch English language broadcasts by January. He thought March was more realistic. He denies allegations of bias: "We give time to anybody in this crisis. If the Archbishop of Canterbury has something to say he will be on my screen. We had him the other day." ) Copyright of Telegraph Group Limited 2001. http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2001%2F11%2F12%2F… Joe Baptista http://www.dot-god.com/ The dot.GOD Registry, Limited

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Re: Cypherpunks Rating System
by Trei, Peter 13 Nov '01

13 Nov '01

> Nomen Nescio[SMTP:nobody@dizum.com] wrote: > > Cypherpunk Rating System [...] > Clearly it would be highly ironic for a pro-privacy group like the > cypherpunks to adopt PICS technology, which has been widely criticized > by free speech groups. Nevertheless it would be instructive to have an > example where ratings are used for the opposite of the politically correct > purposes for which they were originally intended. Cypherpunks could > use PICS to help find information on defeating government surveillance > and interfering with the increasing crackdowns on civil liberties. > [...] > Suggestions for expanding the rating system are welcome. ----------------------- How about suggestions to drop the whole idea? (I'm sort of reminded of the classic Crumb cartoon: A bunch of hippies sitting around a room, and one of them says "I've got a great idea: Everyone stop playing head games with each other, starting now!") This is a Really Bad Idea, for a number of reasons. 1. Any system of normalized 'voluntary' labeling has a habit of becoming effectively mandatory - see the content ratings on movies, and now video games and records. How'd you like to see the sorts of ratings you're proposing applied to books and magazines? I don't want to see pissing matches over whether Alice applied the right lables, in Bob's opinion. 2. Content drifts on this list, rapidly and frequently. 'Enemy at the door' started out with a truly stupid and dangerous idea for a face-recognition based booby trap, and finished as a discussion of long-haul 802.11b networks. Asking every person posting to spend time considering detailed and accurate labeling for every post they make is hopeless. 3. Irony, allegory, and insinuation are an integral part of activity on this type of mailing list, and by their nature, cannot be accurately captured by a rating system. Don't misapply a system created for more-or-less static standalone web pages to a freewheeling discussion list where each message cannot be properly understood except in light of a lot of context and history. 4. The things people complain about are usually much less about topic, then they are complaints about other poster's positions on a given topic. We don't bitch too much about postings concerning physics (which are pretty off-topic), but we waste a lot of bits on bitching about Choate's version of physics. This kind of thing is also not really captured by a self-applied rating system. I'm all in favor of informative Subject lines, but to systematize something just for the sake of systematizing it is pointless petty authoritarianism. Just what *problem* are you trying to solve, anyway? Peter Trei

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Starium
by Uran233＠aol.com 13 Nov '01

13 Nov '01

Anyone have any of the Beta units for sale. I have 2 and would like more.

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