October 2001 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: US Food Aid Propaganda
by Leon F. 10 Oct '01

10 Oct '01

Why has the news media not noticed that a similar program is not available to Iraq? I thought we were starving the Iraq citizens in order to inspire them to throw out their worthless leader. I'm very confused now. Leon Felkins ###

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Re: al Qaeda website?
by maxinux 10 Oct '01

10 Oct '01

> <http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:vQ4L_50JNYw:www.geocities.com/rizla786…> > > compare with > > <http://www.geocities.com/rizla7866/index6.html> > > Every thought how bad the net would be if google went away? These dont do much actually.. the actual page is dead... the other is a nice cached link, index4.html has some more stuff.. the really interesting thing on index6.. it links to azzam.com, which also does not work, BUT the cache.. the cache my friends, has some fun stuff Bin Ladins Articles of declaration of jihad and mujahideen... http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=cache%3Awww.azzam.com%2Fhtml%2Farticle… Have a nice read.. Ill include an exerpt after this Max DECLARATION OF WAR AGAINST THE AMERICANS OCCUPYING THE LAND OF THE TWO HOLY PLACES "Expel the Infidels from the Arab Peninsula" A Message from Usama bin Muhammad bin Laden unto his Muslim Brethren all over the World generally, and in the Arab Peninsula specifically ... During the oil boom of the Middle East during the 1970s, Mohammad bin Ladin, an ordinary from Yemen came and settled with his family in Saudi Arabia. He opened a business which later proved to be on of the biggest construction companies in the entire Middle East: the Bin Ladin Corporation. This company was involved in the construction of roads, buildings, mosques, airports and the entire infrastructure of many of the countries in the Arabian Gulf. Usama was one of the sons of Mohammad bin Ladin. Being an ordinary young man, he was more pious than his brothers, and was deeply affected by the involvement of his family's company in rebuilding the two ... (and ends with:) ... Our Lord, bless Muhammad, Your slave and messenger, his family and descendants, and companions and salute him with a (becoming) salutation. And our last supplication is: All praise is due to Allah . Usamah bin Muhammad bin Laden Friday, 9/4/1417 A.H (23/8/1996 CE) Hindukush Mountains, Khurasan, Afghanistan. ======================================== kind of an interesting read.. enjoy all -Max

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Re: US Food Aid Propaganda
by David Theroux 10 Oct '01

10 Oct '01

Dear Matt, Great for you to point out this important aspect of the U.S. war campaign. Considering the altitude at which these drops are being made on pallets, the further question is whether such drops might actually be viewed by the Afghani people as the U.S. dumping garbage since that is likely what the cargo will be upon impact. Best regards, David David J. Theroux Founder and President The Independent Institute 100 Swan Way Oakland, CA 94621-1428 510-632-1366 Phone 510-568-6040 Fax DTheroux(a)independent.org http://www.independent.org ###

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Re: US Food Aid Propaganda
by David Theroux 10 Oct '01

10 Oct '01

Dear Matt, Great for you to point out this important aspect of the U.S. war campaign. Considering the altitude at which these drops are being made on pallets, the further question is whether such drops might actually be viewed by the Afghani people as the U.S. dumping garbage since that is likely what the cargo will be upon impact. Best regards, David David J. Theroux Founder and President The Independent Institute 100 Swan Way Oakland, CA 94621-1428 510-632-1366 Phone 510-568-6040 Fax DTheroux(a)independent.org http://www.independent.org ###

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Re: US Food Aid Propaganda
by Phil Agre 10 Oct '01

10 Oct '01

i think one of the british articles mentioned the point. at least i'd heard it somewhere in the last day. but another possibility is they're telling the truth, and 37k packages is simply the first installment ### From: "Trei, Peter" <ptrei(a)rsasecurity.com> To: cypherpunks(a)lne.com, "'Matthew Gaylor'" <freematt(a)coil.com> Subject: RE: US Food Aid Propaganda Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:16:59 -0400 This is one of those things where you can run the numbers. ...37500 meals dropped on Sunday. The packages don't look like they weighed much more than a pound. Lets be very generous, and say 1 kilo. That's 37.5 metric tons in one night, max. Sounds like a lot? According to the World Food Program website (www.wfp.org) the UN is trying to truck in 52,000 tons a month. Assuming a 30 day month, that's 1733 tons/day. The US bombing shut down the UN aid delivery for a few days, (it's now going ahead again, even under fire, because the need is so critical). The US airdrops replaced, at the very maximum, less then 2.5% of the food whose delivery was prevented by the bombing. I'm reminded of the recent corporate ad from RJ Reynolds, where they made of deal of delivering some amount (less then 10 tons, I think) or aid to Kosovo. That amounted to a single truckload. They then spent many times the cost of the aid on airtime to trumpet their humanitarian efforts. Peter Trei ###

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Re: US Food Aid Propaganda
by Phil Agre 10 Oct '01

10 Oct '01

i think one of the british articles mentioned the point. at least i'd heard it somewhere in the last day. but another possibility is they're telling the truth, and 37k packages is simply the first installment ### From: "Trei, Peter" <ptrei(a)rsasecurity.com> To: cypherpunks(a)lne.com, "'Matthew Gaylor'" <freematt(a)coil.com> Subject: RE: US Food Aid Propaganda Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:16:59 -0400 This is one of those things where you can run the numbers. ...37500 meals dropped on Sunday. The packages don't look like they weighed much more than a pound. Lets be very generous, and say 1 kilo. That's 37.5 metric tons in one night, max. Sounds like a lot? According to the World Food Program website (www.wfp.org) the UN is trying to truck in 52,000 tons a month. Assuming a 30 day month, that's 1733 tons/day. The US bombing shut down the UN aid delivery for a few days, (it's now going ahead again, even under fire, because the need is so critical). The US airdrops replaced, at the very maximum, less then 2.5% of the food whose delivery was prevented by the bombing. I'm reminded of the recent corporate ad from RJ Reynolds, where they made of deal of delivering some amount (less then 10 tons, I think) or aid to Kosovo. That amounted to a single truckload. They then spent many times the cost of the aid on airtime to trumpet their humanitarian efforts. Peter Trei ###

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Palestinian police want the help of israel
by Incognito Innominatus 10 Oct '01

10 Oct '01

After bloody crashes between palestinian police and palestinian demonstrators, Palestinian authority today asked Israel for riot gear, according to Zionist tv tonight. The Zionist defense department may or may not go along with the request, which includes teargas grenades. Today the palestinian authority ordered an investigation on the riots. All schools in Gaza strip were ordered to remain closed today.

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RE: who wants to be a millionaire
by Sandy Sandfort 10 Oct '01

10 Oct '01

Good points, Meyer. Actually, "mattd" spells like Inchoate (i.e., poorly and with similar mistakes). Special agent Gordon, though, might be a candidate. Anyway, I'd still like to see a defense of AP that makes any sense at all. S a n d y P.S. Is the "special" in "special agent" like the "special" in "Special Olympics"? :'D > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-cypherpunks(a)lne.com [mailto:owner-cypherpunks@lne.com]On > Behalf Of Meyer Wolfsheim > Sent: 09 October, 2001 23:04 > To: cypherpunks(a)lne.com > Subject: RE: who wants to be a millionaire > > > On Tue, 9 Oct 2001, Sandy Sandfort wrote: > > > "mattd" wrote: > > [snip] > > > Please folks, that took me all of 30 seconds to figure out. Do some > > analysis before you spout off about AP. IT WON'T WORK. Please > make a note > > of it. > > Sandy, you are responding to the same poster who has made such > illuminating > contributions to this list as the posts titled "aimee's anal urges" and > "running out of tim.." Please don't encourage him. > > Cypherpunks has always had its share of kooks. > > "Mathew Taylor's" writing style is more obscure than John Young's or Aimee > Farr's, and his posts are as confused or content-less as Jim Choate's or > Karsten Self's. He is better off simply ignored. > > Selected quotes: > > "cryptoanarchy aka cryptocapitalism seems to be in crisis." > > "My name is jim bell,no MY name is jim bell...AAAAAAAAArrrgh! Im screwed." > > "Cant you be obsessed with JB and Cryptoanarchy/freenet?" > > "War of the flea now must become war of the killer bee." > > "Bin laden? Id buy that for a dollar!" > > "Dear tim,no real anarchist craps on like you about a 'fruit ot the poison > tree'constitution.FUCK uncle sams racist con job." > > "Assasination politics has as much claim for consideration as any other." > > "Sustained AP at shrub when executive order on assasins is revoked.?" > > "Hell,tim might rope some of his paintball buddies along for the ride." > > "Assasination politics was originally proposed for saddam,wasnt it?" > > "I pledge 1$ for the closest prediction of the permanent retirement from > politics of the honourable osama bin laden." > > "Are you sure its too late for operation soft drill?" > > "C/punks with spunk get an offshore AP website up and softdrill any ugly > mother that raises its ugly head." > > "Encrypt the reward as described in 'assasination politics'" > > "It should be our duty to remind them they may be the ones who are > clipped." > > > (On second thought, after reading this collection of quotes, I wouldn't be > surprised if "mattd" AKA "Matt Taylor" were actually Agent Jeff Gordon. > They certainly share the same obsession. When was Gordon's last psych > eval?) > > > > -MW-

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who wants to be a millionaire
by mattd 10 Oct '01

10 Oct '01

You do a disservice to crypto and our group by implying, even in a backhanded way, that Bell's "AP" system was or is in any way feasible. Where's the true untraceable cash needed? Please explain. --Tim May After the 'soft drilling' section of AP it becomes an exercise in mass civil disobedience(led by a charismatic community leader?)Also trust, in that untracable digital cash is not strictly needed.Merely enough trustworthy netizens to promise to send their pledge to the 'predictor'who remains anonymous. eg.60 million netizens pledge 1$ each on a newswire somewhere that doesnt keep logs.I actually got a pledge of 1$ to wax rich armitage like a candle,Its a lot of fun.Theres still a lot of free range banks out there.

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The Case For Anarchy
by attila! 10 Oct '01

10 Oct '01

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