October 2001 - cypherpunks-legacy

too much credit (Re: US Food Aid Propaganda)
by citizenq＠hushmail.com 10 Oct '01

10 Oct '01

Principle of Mr. Occam: Do beware of attributing to malice that which can fully be accounted for by incompetence. >>> made of deal of delivering some amount (less >>> then 10 tons, I think) or aid to Kosovo. That amounted to >>> a single truckload. They then spent many times the cost >>> of the aid on airtime to trumpet their humanitarian efforts. >>> >> This is the kind of statement that deserves reporting among the >> 250,000 tips the FBI has received on its finger-a-terrorist website >> hotline. >> Fucking traitors always disclose the classified bottom line math >> behind the body counts. > > If a result of the bombing is to make humanitarian aid both easier and > ultimately less necessary then it'll have been worth it. Not that > that's the reason for it. > You think? Wiping out the airfields, knocking out the lines of supply, all of this is essential to getting several million Afghanis to flee onto the mountain trails, where the snows will soon get them. This is essential to rooting out terrorism by reducing the terrorist breeding grounds by several million. But, cheer up! 15,000 more orange food packlets are being scattered from 15,000 feet. And, I hear, at least 400 emergency tents are being dropped along the Khyber Pass. Operation Final Solution should be successful by, say, January 20th. We won't be able to do Bomb Damage Assessment until the spring thaw, however.

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RE: who wants to be a millionaire
by Nomen Nescio 10 Oct '01

10 Oct '01

Sandy Sandfort writes: > So, the pledges pour in. Now the intended target figures, hell, I'll > just predict my OWN death, fake it and anonymously collect those pledges. > Then I'll use whatever portion of the $60 million I actually receive to > buy better security. Rinse and repeat. Do you really think folks are > going to play the game again with Joe Target after he is resurrected? > Especially if he tells everyone exactly what he did and promises to do > it again if another price is put on his head? Not so fast. How easy is it to fake your own death? You have to come up with a fake death certificate. Obviously in a game such as AP, verifying death is one of the most important aspects. It might be that only certain Death Certificate Authorities (DCAs) come to be accepted for players in AP. They may require DNA evidence and other details that would raise the bar considerably for fakers. This could be a lucrative new business op for RSA/Verisign. In addition it may be agreed that the payoff doesn't happen right away, but only after the party has been gone for some minimum period of time, say a year or two. Not many targets will be willing to disappear for two years from public view solely in order to cause trouble for the AP game. And even if it does happen, investors in the removal of Mr. Target will enjoy at least the partial satisfaction of getting him out of the way for a couple of years. Then if he does reappear, follow-on bets will be established with even more stringent conditions for verification and payoff.

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Comments on US Food Aid Propaganda
by Matthew Gaylor 10 Oct '01

10 Oct '01

[Note from Matthew Gaylor: The food packages in question each provide roughly 2200 calories and are dropped from around 10,000 feet with a parachute like device attached to prevent injury when they land. Bill Walker, Peter Trei and Danny Yee below have the best commentary.]

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please ignore this test message to the list
by madmullah 10 Oct '01

10 Oct '01

Squeeking wheel gets a kick or two. -- "It is the responsibility of intellectuals to speak the truth and to expose lies." -Noam Chomsky

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RE: US Food Aid Propaganda
by Trei, Peter 10 Oct '01

10 Oct '01

> Matthew Gaylor[SMTP:freematt@coil.com] writes: > [...] > Then as a > watched the news tonight I heard again what I've been hearing on > various American media ad infinitum that the US Military had dropped > 37,500 food packages along with the first wave of attacks on > Afghanistan, on Sunday. Realizing that there are several million > refugees in the northern areas of Afghanistan, such a small number of > food packages doesn't seem really that adequate. [...] > My theory is that if you hear that the US is dropping food packages > along with bombs it reinforces the propaganda that the US is doing > this to "help" the Afghan people. It doesn't matter from a > psychological operations perspective if the aid is effective but > rather it only matters if the target group thinks you're helping. In > this case the target audience being the Afghan refugees and the > unwitting American media consumer. [...] > Regards, Matt- > This is one of those things where you can run the numbers. ...37500 meals dropped on Sunday. The packages don't look like they weighed much more than a pound. Lets be very generous, and say 1 kilo. That's 37.5 metric tons in one night, max. Sounds like a lot? According to the World Food Program website (www.wfp.org) the UN is trying to truck in 52,000 tons a month. Assuming a 30 day month, that's 1733 tons/day. The US bombing shut down the UN aid delivery for a few days, (it's now going ahead again, even under fire, because the need is so critical). The US airdrops replaced, at the very maximum, less then 2.5% of the food whose delivery was prevented by the bombing. I'm reminded of the recent corporate ad from RJ Reynolds, where they made of deal of delivering some amount (less then 10 tons, I think) or aid to Kosovo. That amounted to a single truckload. They then spent many times the cost of the aid on airtime to trumpet their humanitarian efforts. Peter Trei

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FBI's Scarfo Keysniffer
by David Lesher 10 Oct '01

10 Oct '01

The Feebes have come up with some "details" on the keyboard sniffer they used in Scarfo: EPIC has it up: <http://www.epic.org/crypto/scarfo/murch_aff.pdf> -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz(a)nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

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Re: al Qaeda website?
by Steve Mynott 10 Oct '01

10 Oct '01

"Lucky Green" <shamrock(a)cypherpunks.to> writes: > Attempting to obtain information from primary sources, I have been trying to > track down a bin Laden or al Qaeda website without any success. Does anybody > on this list have a URL? <http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:vQ4L_50JNYw:www.geocities.com/rizla786…> compare with <http://www.geocities.com/rizla7866/index6.html> Every thought how bad the net would be if google went away? -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott steve(a)tightrope.demon.co.uk ninety-ninety rule of project schedules: the first ninety percent of the task takes ninety percent of the time, and the last ten percent takes the other ninety percent.

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RE: Google and the Net
by Trei, Peter 10 Oct '01

10 Oct '01

> Steve Schear[SMTP:schear@lvcm.com] > > > At 11:40 PM 10/9/2001 +0200, Nomen Nescio wrote: > > > > >It's unfortunate that we have to rely on Google. Imagine an ongoing, > >distributed project to cache the web. Volunteers could keep tabs on > >a subset of corporate and personal web pages and cache old versions > >when changes are made. Rewriting history becomes that much harder. > >And it's certainly a better use of computers than seti@home. > > This is actually an excellent application front end for a Mojo Nation type > > system, as the data is redundant and distributed. > You get an interesting recursion problem arising - does your 'memory of the web' site include sites which contain archives for the purpose of being 'memory of the web'? Shades of Godel.... Peter Trei

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Re: who wants to be a millionaire
by Declan McCullagh 10 Oct '01

10 Oct '01

On Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 11:03:39PM -0700, Meyer Wolfsheim wrote: > (On second thought, after reading this collection of quotes, I wouldn't be > surprised if "mattd" AKA "Matt Taylor" were actually Agent Jeff Gordon. > They certainly share the same obsession. When was Gordon's last psych > eval?) No, I've written about "mattd" in the past, and, unless the Australian news media is lying to us, he's a self-professed anarchist who got in legal trouble for vandalizing a McDonalds on May Day, I recall. He's also entertained himself -- and us -- by taunting cops around the globe with AP-threats on indymedia sites. Now he's found the cypherpunks list and is apparently here to stay. At least until his sentencing... -Declan

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