October 2001 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Who represents the detained? Nobody...
by keyser-soze＠hushmail.com 15 Oct '01

15 Oct '01

At 06:02 PM 10/15/2001 -0700, Tim May wrote: >"What would you think if _you_ were seized in a pre-dawn raid, held without charges, never allowed to confront evidence, not allowed to contact the attorney of your choice, cut off from communications with your family and friends, and held in jail for several weeks or more?" >I know I'd be out for blood, McVeigh-style. >My rough figure of merit is that for every _day_ that I am held unjustly, a member of the forces which held me must die. >If this means killing an office building of them for unjustly holding me for 30 days, so be it. Indeed. If only 1 of 10 were successful in taking such measures it would quickly make such incarcirations a career limiting move for LE.

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Re: Missing details on Afghanistan: Natural Gas (fwd)
by Tim May 15 Oct '01

15 Oct '01

On Sunday, October 14, 2001, at 04:12 AM, Eugene Leitl wrote: > -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://www.lrz.de/~ui22204/">leitl</a> > ______________________________________________________________ > ICBMTO: N48 04'14.8'' E11 36'41.2'' http://www.lrz.de/~ui22204 > 57F9CFD3: ED90 0433 EB74 E4A9 537F CFF5 86E7 629B 57F9 CFD3 > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: 13 Oct 2001 14:29:45 -0400 > From: Gary Lawrence Murphy <garym(a)canada.com> > To: fork <fork(a)xent.com> > Subject: Missing details on Afghanistan: Natural Gas > > > Something I haven't seen appear on this list before but which may > or may not be significant: > > http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/afghan.html > > "Afghanistan's significance from an energy standpoint stems from its > geographical position as a potential transit route for oil and > natural gas exports from Central Asia to the Arabian Sea. This > potential includes the possible construction of oil and natural gas > export pipelines through Afghanistan, which was under serious > consideration in the mid-1990s. The idea has since been undermined > by Afghanistan's instability. > The writer above may not "seen this appear," but it's a basic tenet of Afghan history, going back decades, centuries, and millennia. The Silk Route passed through Afghanistan, the British tried to gain access and battled the Russians in what is usually dubbed "The Great Game." The Russians wanted a warm water port. Daniel Yergin's book on the oil business some years back explained in great detail how the discovery of huge oil and gas fields in Central Asia early in the 20th century highlighted the issue of where to put a pipeline to a seaport. South through Uzbekistan and over the Khyber Pass into Pakistan and then down through the desert to the Arabian Sea was one conceived route. Another was west across Turkmenistan to Turkey to the Med was another. (For those who get their history from James Bond movies, this was covered in the last Bond movie, where the French uberbabe Sophie Marceau played a Central Asian oil magnate. Scenes were shot in Tashkent.) So, this is well-trod ground. --Tim May

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re: Who represents the detained? Nobody...
by keyser-soze＠hushmail.com 15 Oct '01

15 Oct '01

>5000 people went through a 1000-degree meat grinder on 9/11 without an opportunity for any due process, and don't fucking forget it. > The ghost of Due Process hovers above the funeral pyre where her entire sisterhood burned, drifting between the wafting billows of rancid smoke, and I ask myself: What is to be done? Target those who promised to protect us but decided that their careers, profits and politics came first. It isn't very hard to create a long list from newspaper clippings over the past month. Some of these are the same people looking for or receiving government handouts. Unless significant retribution is taken against them it sends the clear message that its OK to sell out your fellow citizens. Its clear none will ever stand trial as our political legal process almost never holds anyone responsible for what they don't do (even when its their sworn duty) only what they do. Unless many of these vermin switch cells with the, mostly, unfortunates held for victimless crimes nothing will ever change.

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[OT] Anthrax protocol issued.
by measl＠mfn.org 15 Oct '01

15 Oct '01

Interesting even though OT. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin(a)mfn.org --------------------------------- Guidelines for Responding to Anthrax Threats Anthrax Threats (Letters, Packages, etc.) · Notify local law enforcement and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) [Atlanta Field Office, 404-679-9000, 24/7]. · Double bag the letter or package in plastic bags using latex gloves and a particulate (or TB) mask. · Ensure that all persons who have touched the letter (package) wash their hands with soap and water. · Ensure that all persons who have touched the letter (package) remain on site until emergency personnel arrive; list all persons who physically handled the letter (package) and provide the list to authorities. · Notify local, district, and state public health (see contact numbers at the end of this document). · Substances in letters can be tested at the Georgia Public Health Laboratory (GPHL) at the request of the FBI. · Decisions about the need for decontamination and initiation of antibiotic prophylaxis should be made in consultation with public health officials. In most circumstances, the decision to initiate prophylaxis can be delayed until the presence or absence of Bacillus anthracis can be determined. · CDC currently does NOT recommend the use of nasal swab specimens as part of evaluating anthrax threats/implied threats or evaluating concerned citizens who think they may have been exposed to anthrax. · For further information see: http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00056353.htm Asymptomatic Persons WITHOUT Known Exposure to Anthrax (Worried wellincludes low risk threats) · Provide reassurance about the low risk for infection without known exposure and education about anthrax as an agent in bioterrorism; · Recommend referral to private health care provider for further concerns and/or diagnostics as deemed appropriate. Currently, no screening tests are available for the detection of anthrax infection in the absence of symptoms. Nasal swabs may be useful as an epidemiologic tool when a confirmed case is identified but are not routinely used for diagnosis or screening. CDC currently does NOT recommend the use of nasal swab specimens as part of evaluating anthrax threats/implied threats or evaluating concerned citizens who think they may have been exposed to anthrax. Asymptomatic Persons WITH Known Exposure to Anthrax or to Credible Anthrax Threats · Conduct individual risk assessment in coordination with public health officials and refer to private health care provider if post-exposure prophylaxis is necessary. Currently, no screening tests are available for the detection of anthrax infection in the absence of symptoms. Although data are limited, nasal swabs may be useful if performed early (within 0-24 hours) following known or credible inhalation exposure to B. anthracis. · In this situation, decontamination of patients and their clothing is NOT routinely recommended. · Patients should be educated regarding clinical symptoms of anthrax infection and advised to seek medical attention immediately if they develop fever or flu-like illness. · Postexposure Prophylaxis (PEP) Recommendations : (Inglesby, et al. Anthrax as a Biological Weapon: Medical and Public Health Management, JAMA 1999; 281 (No. 18): 1735-45.) - Adults: Initially ciprofloxacin 500 mg orally q 12 hrs. Optimal PEP for adults (once susceptibility is known) amoxicillin 500 mg orally q 8 hrs or doxycycline 100 mg orally q 12 hrs. - Children: Initially ciprofloxacin 20-30 mg/kg per day orally divided into 2 daily doses, not to exceed 1 g/d. Optimal PEP for children (once susceptibility is known) if child <20 kg, administer amoxicillin 40 mg/kg divided into 3 doses q 8 hrs; if child > or = 20 kg give amoxicillin 500 mg orally q 8 hrs. - Postexposure prophylaxis should be continued for 60 days. - Postexposure prophylaxis may be discontinued if laboratory studies and investigation have ruled out the presence of B. anthracis. Hospitalized Patients with Symptoms Compatible with Anthrax · Immediately notify local, district, and state public health officials so that rapid epidemiologic investigation can be initiated. · Confirm the diagnosis: Obtain the appropriate laboratory specimens based on clinical form of anthrax (inhalational, gastrointestinal, or cutaneous) suspected. - Specimens for possible cutaneous anthrax: vesicular fluid (Gram stain & culture) and/or blood cultures - Specimens for possible gastrointestinal anthrax: vomitus, feces, and/or blood cultures - Specimens for possible inhalational anthrax: nasal swab, blood, CSF, and/or sputum cultures - For further information on specimen collection and handling, refer to protocol Laboratory Procedures for the identification of Bacillus anthracis. · Note: A widened mediastinum on chest radiograph with respiratory distress in a previously healthy patient with antecedent flu-like illness is highly suspect for advanced inhalational anthrax. · Initial microbiologic testing for presumptive anthrax diagnosis should be performed in hospital clinical laboratories according to the protocol Laboratory Procedures for the identification of Bacillus anthracis.. · The Georgia Public Health Laboratory serves as a reference laboratory and can confirm suspect bacterial isolates but are not equipped to routinely culture primary clinical specimens (blood, sputum, etc.) except in emergency situations or if the hospital clinical laboratory is unable to perform the presumptive tests.

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John Young Interpretation Society
by Optimizzin Al-gorithm 15 Oct '01

15 Oct '01

At 05:05 PM 10/13/01 -0700, John Young wrote: >Pinging the WH is will shortly be a terrorist act warns Patriot, >so better hurry before the bush hammers john henry. > >Anthrac, quack, quack. The John Young Interpretation Society proffers these notes especially to furriners: 1. John Henry --look it up, american folklore/song about man vs. machine, John H. lost to a railroad-nail driving machine. An industrial Kasparov vs. IBM. 2. Anthrac, quack quack, derived from Aflac, some sort of US insurance company, which uses a waterfowl in its adverts, the bird's quacking sounding like the company name. Quack is also slang for sham doctor. Nice multiple meanings there, soundplay, in this one. "Waitress, what kind of rhizome is that gentleman smoking?"

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Re: Scarfo "keylogger", PGP
by David Honig 15 Oct '01

15 Oct '01

At 07:16 PM 10/15/01 +0100, Peter Fairbrother wrote: >The other and more worrying "component" picked up the PGP key Scarfo used - >his father's prison number! - and virtually nothing else. It didn't capture Maybe the KLS is just disinfo, designed to take attention from the fact that a Very Interesting Target picked such a DumbAss Password. Perhaps not, but still worth pointing out what a dumbass password that was.

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Who represents the detained? Nobody...
by Luthor Blisset 15 Oct '01

15 Oct '01

I think Karsten first asked that question. Well: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/nation/specials/attacked/A59466-2001Oc… http://www.msnbc.com/news/642989.asp "In a high-security wing of Manhattan's Metropolitan Correctional Center, an unknown number of men with Middle Eastern names are being held in solitary confinement on the ninth floor, locked in 8- by 10-foot cells with little more than cots, thin blankets and, if they request it, copies of the Koran. Every two hours, guards roust them to conduct a head count. They have no contact with each other or their families and limited access to their lawyers. Their names appear on no federal jail log available to the public. No records can be found in any court docket in New York showing why they are detained, who represents them or the status of their cases." The ghost of Due Process hovers above the funeral pyre where her entire sisterhood burned, drifting between the wafting billows of rancid smoke, and I ask myself: What is to be done? --- Luthor //Remembering is copying and copying is THEFT

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RE: Slashdot | First Steganographic Image Found In The Wild NOT
by Trei, Peter 15 Oct '01

15 Oct '01

Jim: Read the goddamn article before posting. This is just a regurgitation of the Goldman/Provos/ABC article in which they faked up a stego'd picture for a newscast. It is NOT an example of 'stego in the wild', and if you'd bothered to read the comment stream on the slashdot article, you'd know that. You're wasting peoples time with false and misleading info, and show yourself to be a fool. But when since was that unusual? Peter Trei > ---------- > From: Jim Choate[SMTP:ravage@ssz.com] > Reply To: cypherpunks(a)ssz.com > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 3:55 PM > To: hell(a)einstein.ssz.com; cypherpunks(a)einstein.ssz.com > Subject: Slashdot | First Steganographic Image Found In The Wild > > http://slashdot.org/articles/01/10/15/1727249.shtml > -- > > -- > ____________________________________________________________________ > > The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion. > > Edmund Burke (1784) > > The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate > Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com > www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 > -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- > -------------------------------------------------------------------- >

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Good luck 29228
by rice＠coksa.com 15 Oct '01

15 Oct '01

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A REALLY DIFFERENT terrorist threat view.
by Gary Jeffers 15 Oct '01

15 Oct '01

My fellow Cypherpunks, Check out this post for a REALLY DIFFERENT view of terrorist threats. http://www.cheniere.org/correspondence/092401a.htm Yours truly, Gary Jeffers BEAT STATE!!! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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