October 2001 - cypherpunks-legacy

Glad You Never Asked...
by sonofgomez709 18 Oct '01

18 Oct '01

The current 'Anthrax Crisis' was easily predictable merely by taking note of the preprogramming preparation of the citizens by the MainStreamDream NewsMedia. Anyone who believes that the step-by-step march towards the NewWorldOdor is not part of the GreaterPlan needs to contemplate the BioSemiotic rEvolution.... CJ Parker <sonofgomez709(a)yahoo.com> http://profiles.yahoo.com/sonofgomez709 http://www.technopagan.org/politics/xenix/ http://members.w-link.net/~sog/INDEX.HTM http://jya.com/cejfiles.htm

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Re: Who represents the detained? Nobody...
by Anonymous 18 Oct '01

18 Oct '01

You all, including Mr. May, missed the subtlety of the point that due process has NOT been suspended in the case of these detainees. They HAVE representation, and I don't THINK the Bill of Rights says anywhere that you get to see Mommy if you're arrested, but that you can obtain representation, you are not required to incriminate yourself, and so forth. In theory. I just can't bring myself to whine about the detained under the circumstances, when I know of second-graders who are buried under a literal megaton of rubble. Should "civil liberties be suspended?" No. Should suspects be treated like kindergardners? Fuck no. >> Do you seriously think that justifies suspension of due process? >> If you don't, why did you bring it up? That aside, I think it's been >> sufficiently demonstrated that you shouldn't treat people like >> collateral damage unless you wish to receive similar consideration... >The Constitution applies at _all_ times. It is not something that is only >for nice, calm situations. > >The Bill of Rights does not say that the various parts of the Bill of >Rights are suspendable when someone decides there is some reason to. This >means the USA Bill, with its suspension of big chunks of the Fourth >Amendment, is ipso facto unconstitutional.

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WorldNetDaily: Protecting freedom
by Jim Choate 18 Oct '01

18 Oct '01

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The "traitor" fires back
by Steve Schear 18 Oct '01

18 Oct '01

{ Another example how dissent is being labeled as "unpatriotic". Its very scary as it seems that most people, particularly in government and the media have forgotten that freedom of speech, different views and opinions are supposed to be the foundation of democracy } <http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2001/10/16/susans/index.html> The "traitor" fires back Denounced as a fifth columnist by the right, Susan Sontag blasts America's cowlike media and scaremongering leaders -- and says she fears that another terror attack could turn the U.S. into a police state. - - - - - - - - - - - - By David Talbot Oct. 16, 2001 | Writer Susan Sontag has produced many texts during her four-decade career, including historical novels and reflections on cancer, photography and the war in Bosnia. But it was a brief essay, less than 1,000 words long, in the Sept. 24 issue of the New Yorker that created the biggest uproar of her life. In the piece, which she wrote shortly after the terror attacks of Sept. 11, Sontag dissected the political and media blather that poured out of the television in the hours after the explosions of violence. After subjecting herself to what she calls "an overdose of CNN," Sontag reacted with a coldly furious burst of analysis, savaging political leaders and media mandarins for trying to convince the country that everything was OK, that our attackers were simply cowards, and that our childlike view of the world need not be disturbed. As if to prove her point, a furious chorus of sharp-tongued pundits immediately descended on Sontag, outraged that she had broken from the ranks of the soothingly platitudinous. She was called an "America-hater," a "moral idiot," a "traitor" who deserved to be driven into "the wilderness," never more to be heard. The bellicose right predictably tried to lump her in with the usual left-wing peace crusaders, whose programmed pacifism has sidelined them during the current political debates. But this tarbrush doesn't stick. As a thinker, Sontag is rigorously, sometimes abrasively, independent. She has offended the left as often as the right (political terms, she points out, that have become increasingly useless), alienating some ideologues when she attacked communism as "fascism with a human face" during the uprising of the Polish shipyard workers in the 1980s and again during the U.S. bombing campaign against the Serbian dictatorship, which she strongly supported. Sontag, 68, remains characteristically unrepentant in the face of the recent attacks. On Monday, she talked with Salon by phone from her home in Manhattan, reflecting on the controversy, the Bush war effort and the media's surrender to what she views as a national conformity campaign. <snip> What do you think of the Bush administration's efforts to control the media, in particular its requests that the TV networks not show bin Laden and al-Qaida's video statements? Excuse me, but does anyone over the age of 6 really think that the way Osama bin Laden has to communicate with his agents abroad is by posing in that Flintstone set of his and pulling on his left earlobe instead of his right to send secret signals? Now, I don't believe that Condoleezza Rice and the rest of the administration really think that. At least I hope to hell they don't. I assume they have another reason for trying to stop the TV networks from showing bin Laden's videotapes, which is they just don't want people to see his message, whatever it is. They think, Why should we give him free publicity? Something very primitive like that. Which is ridiculous, because of course anyone online can see these tapes for themselves. Although I see the BBC, our British cousins who are of course ever servile, are discussing whether to broadcast the tapes. We can always count on the Brits to fall in line. Why has the media been so willing to go along with the White House's censorship efforts? Well, when people like me are being lambasted and excoriated for saying very mild things, no wonder the media is cowed. Here's something no one has commented on that I continue to puzzle over: Who decided that no gruesome pictures of the World Trade Center site were to be published anywhere? Now I don't think there was single directive coming from anywhere. But I think there was an extraordinary consensus, a kind of self-censorship by media executives who concluded these images would be too demoralizing for the country. I think it's rather interesting that could happen. There apparently has been only one exception: one day the New York Daily News showed a severed hand. But the photo appeared in only one edition and it was immediately pulled. I think that degree of unanimity within the media is pretty extraordinary. <snip> What is your position on the war against terrorism? How should the U.S. fight back? My position is that I don't like throwing biscuits and peanut butter and jam and napkins, little snack packages produced in a small city in Texas, to Afghani citizens, so we can say, "Look, we're doing something humanitarian." These wretched packages of food that are grotesquely inadequate -- there's apparently enough food for a half day's rations. And then the people run out to get them, into these minefields. Afghanistan has more land mines per capita than any country in the world. I don't like the way that humanitarianism is once again being used in this unholy way as a pretext for war. As woman, of course, I've always been appalled by the Taliban regime and would dearly like to see them toppled. I was a public critic of the regime long before the war started. But I've been told that the Northern Alliance is absolutely no better when it comes to the issue of women. The crimes against women in Afghanistan are just unthinkable; there's never been anything like it in the history of the world. So of course I would love to see that government overthrown and something less appalling put in its place. Do I think bombing is the way to do it? Of course I don't. It's not for me to speculate on this, but there are all sorts of realpolitik outcomes that one can imagine. Afghanistan in the end could become a sort of dependency of Pakistan, which of course wouldn't please India and China. They'd probably like a little country to annex themselves. So how in the world you're going to dethrone the Taliban without causing further trouble in that part of the world is a very complicated question. And I'm sure bright and hard-nosed people in Washington are genuinely puzzled about how to do it. Do you really think it could be done without bombing? Absolutely. But it's a complicated and long process -- and the United States is not very experienced in these matters. The point is, as I said in my New Yorker piece, there's a great disconnect between reality and what people in government and the media are saying of the reality. I have no doubt that there are real debates among military and political leaders going on both here and elsewhere. But what is being peddled to the public is a fairy tale. And the atmosphere of intimidation is quite extraordinary. And I think our protectors have been incredibly inept. In any other country the top officials of the FBI would have resigned or been fired by now. I mean, [key hijacking suspect] Mohammad Atta was on the FBI surveillance list, but this was never communicated to the airlines. The authorities are now responding to the anthrax scare -- to what I think are 99 percent certain to be just domestic copycat crazies on their own war path -- by spreading more fear. We have Vice President Cheney saying, "Well, these people could be part of the same terrorist network that produced Sept. 11." Well, excuse me, but we have no reason to think that. <snip> We also seem to be getting contradictory messages about Muslims in the U.S. We're told that not all Islamic people are our enemy, but at the same time there's a fairly wide dragnet, which some civil liberties defenders have criticized as indiscriminate, aimed at rounding up Islamic suspects. Well, people are very scared and Americans are not used to being scared. There's an American exceptionalism; we're supposed to be exempt from the calamities and terrors and anxieties that beset other countries. But now people here are scared and it's interesting how fast they are moving in another direction. The feeling is, and I've heard this from people, about Islamic taxi drivers and shopkeepers and other people -- we really ought to deport all the Muslims. Sure they're not all terrorists and some of it will be unfair, but after all we have to protect ourselves. Racial and ethnic profiling is now seen as common sense itself. I mean how could you not want that if you're going to take an airplane and you don't want a fellow in a turban and a beard to sit next to you? What I live in fear of is there will be another terror attack -- not a sick joke like the powder in the envelope, but something real that takes more lives, that has the stamp of something more professional and thought out. It could be another symbolically targeted building -- maybe not in New York this time, but in Chicago or some other heartland city that scares the rest of the country. And then you could get something like martial law here. Many Americans, who as I say are so used to not being afraid, would willingly accede to great abridgements of freedom. Because they're afraid. You called the president "robotic" in your New Yorker essay. But the New York Times, among other media observers, has editorialized that Bush has shown a new "gravitas" since Sept. 11. Do you think the president has grown more commanding since the terror attacks? I saw that in the Times -- I love that, gravitas. Has Bush grown into his role of president? No, I think he's acquired legitimacy since Sept. 11, that's all -- I don't call that "growing" at all. I think what we obviously have in Washington is some kind of regency, run presumably by Cheney and Rumsfeld and maybe Powell, although Powell is much more of an organization man than a real leader. It's all very veiled. And Cheney has not been much seen lately -- is this because he is ill? It's all very mysterious. I hate to see everything become so opaque.

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by SaaSoh Textile Corporation 18 Oct '01

18 Oct '01

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anthrax down under
by mattd 18 Oct '01

18 Oct '01

After a heads up from a 2600 au fellow subber,I believe the victorian police are making crude attempts to set me up. something about spreading sweet and low on voting forms and ISP bills. I could try and make life sweeter for various strangers,BUT IT WOULD BE WRONG! It was an obvious plant as Im famous for advocating not voting and not paying bills/taxes So the vic.police ,so well described by ned kelly ,so long ago will have to try harder. They can take my laptop,but they'll never take my FREEDOM!

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Congress in action! Catfish feed!
by Declan McCullagh 18 Oct '01

18 Oct '01

While anthrax-terror stalks the halls of power in Washington, and the House shuts down amid fears of spores in the air, top politicians are busy gulping down fried catfish with protectionist lobbyists. I can't make this stuff up, folks. This just-announced "feed" happened at noon today. --Declan AGRICULTURE and the Catfish Farmers of America First annual "Bipartisan Catfish Feed," to showcase the U.S. farm raised catfish industry which is threatened by fraudulently labeled Vietnamese fish imports. Participants: Sen. Blanche Lambert Lincoln, D-Ark.; Sen. Tim Hutchinson, R-Ark.; Sen. Thad Cochran, R-Miss.; Sen. Trent Lott, R-Miss., Minority Leader=; Sen. John Breaux, D-La., chairman, Special Committee on Aging=; Sen. Mary Landrieu, D-La.; Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Ala., and Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala. Location: 325 Russell Senate Office Building. 12 noon Contact: RSVP to Jeretta Walker, 202-312-1084; Craig Brownstein, 202-326-1799 **NEW**

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Temperature Instruments
by mmotyka＠lsil.com 18 Oct '01

18 Oct '01

omega has lots of temperature measurement equipment, some of it even reasonably priced. Some DVMs can be bought with thermocouple inputs.

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Re: Internation Patent Law doesn't apply to USG?
by Karsten M. Self 18 Oct '01

18 Oct '01

on Tue, Oct 16, 2001 at 02:45:36PM -0700, Meyer Wolfsheim (wolf(a)priori.net) wrote: > U.S. Sen. Charles Schumer, D- New York, said Tuesday a generic version of > ciproflaxin, the antibiotic used to treat anthrax, should be made > available immediately for government use even though German drugmaker > BayerAG holds the patent for the drug. > > http://www.cnn.com/2001/HEALTH/conditions/10/16/anthrax/ > http://money.cnn.com/2001/10/16/news/generic_cipro/ To the best of my knowledge, patent law is not uniform internationally, certainly not to the extent copyright law is. In the US, both patent and copyright are powers granted to, not obligations required of, Congress. There is prior precedent for lifting patent protections, usually as anti-trust settlements. Peace. -- Karsten M. Self <kmself(a)ix.netcom.com> http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Home of the brave http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ Land of the free Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature]

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