October 2001 - cypherpunks-legacy

War Criminals
by John Young 24 Oct '01

24 Oct '01

Paul Krugman, Economic Columnist, New York Times, 24 October 2001: At worst, war bonds will offer a lower return than ordinary bonds. And if some people buy them nonetheless, what will they finance? Here's where that tax bill enters the picture. The remarkable thing about the 'stimulus' package that passed the Ways and Means Committee on a straight party-line vote is that it barely even pretends to serve its ostensible function. It consists largely of permanent tax cuts, not the temporary cuts that you would expect in a stimulus package. It systematically gives money to those least likely to spend it, that is, to high-income taxpayers, and above all to large corporations. Some of the provisions in the House bill are simply mind-boggling. For example, there is a large *retroactive* tax cut for corporations that would lead to immediate rebates of hundreds of millions of dollars to *each* of a select list of giant companies, many of them in the energy industry (though the $1.4 billion check to I.B.M. would top the list). On the other hand, there is almost nothing in the bill for people who might actually need more money. The extra unemployment benefits, in particular, are far less generous than those offered in the last recession, when the elder Bush was president. The bill, in short, looks as if it was written by corporate lobbyists -- and it probably was. Even Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill was evidently embarrassed by the bill, dismissing its more outlandish components as 'show business' designed to impress campaign donors. But his remark was naove. Those lobbyists are serious men, who are paid by their employers to deliver results, not gestures; they wouldn't have put those provisions in unless they thought they had enough power to get them enacted. And sure enough, the White House soon contradicted Mr. O'Neill; the president, declared Ari Fleischer, was 'very pleased' with the House bill. Which brings us back to those war bonds. The government not only isn't calling for shared sacrifice; it is 'very pleased' with a proposal to give billions in handouts to corporations. And in that case, what is someone who buys a war bond really helping to finance? Put it this way: If the House has its way, the government will give far more in tax breaks to corporations over the next year than it will spend fighting terrorism. Yet somehow one suspects that people would not rush to buy 'corporate tax-cut bonds.'

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Terrorists and Solutions
by Blanc 24 Oct '01

24 Oct '01

Cpunks, what are your ideas on this: . What would be an acceptable way for the U.S. government to handle the current problem of terrorists in the U.S. in order to "catch" the ones already here and to prevent future attacks (acknowledged, they will do what they are prepared to do, given their mind-set)? - undesireable: national ID cards, home & computer intrusions, wiretapping, increased surveillance as in England . What would be a practical way for those in the U.S. to handle there now being trained terrorists in the midst, in consideration the fact that: - there could be other surprise attacks in the future - terrorist activities could escalate as a result of the bombing of Afhanistan, that this could set off the other "cells" and gain supporters, especially if Bin Laden were killed (already noted: stay away from "soft-targets", stock up on basics (though not a terrorist deterrent), get a gun and/or other defense means, be alert) - at this time, those not resembling Arabs won't have as much of a problem of arousing suspicion and investigation, but as "civil liberties" are being adversely affected, everyone must consider how they will deal with these developments - how they will fight them or live with them in the interim .. Blanc

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Verba Volant 24-10-01
by verba＠rol.it 24 Oct '01

24 Oct '01

Verba Volant 24-10-01, Every day a new quotation translated into many languages. Logos Translations - www.logostranslations.com _________________ Quotation of the day: Author - Albert Einstein http://www.logos.it/bio/albert_einstein.html English - I am not only a pacifist but a militant pacifist. I am willing to fight for peace Italian - non soltanto sono pacifista... sono un pacifista militante. Sono disposto a lottare per la pace Spanish - no soy sólo pacifista, sino pacifista militante. Estoy dispuesto a combatir por la paz French - je ne suis pas seulement pacifiste, mais pacifiste militant; je suis prêt à me battre pour la paix Portuguese - não só sou pacifista, como também sou um pacifista militante. Estou disposto a lutar pela paz German - ich bin nicht einfach Pazifist ich bin ein militanter Pazifist, der bereit ist, für den Frieden zu kämpfen Hungarian - én nem csupán pacifista, hanem harcos pacifista vagyok. A békéérét kész vagyok akár harcolni is Finnish - en ole vain pasifisti, olen militantti pasifisti. Olen valmis taistelemaan rauhan puolesta Catalan - no només soc pacifista, soc un pacifista militant. Estic dispost a lluitar per la pau Croatian - nisam samo pacifist...ja sam borbeni pacifist. Spreman sam da se borim za mir Czech - nejsem jen pacifista ... jsem pacifista militatntní. Jsem pripraven za mír bojovat Dutch - ik ben niet enkel een pacifist maat een militante pacifist. Ik ben bereid om voor vrede te vechten Emiliano-Romagnolo - a so pazifista piò d'na muliga... a so pazifista cumbatent. A so pront a ragner par la pesa Furlan - no dome 'o soi pacifist... 'o soi un pacifist militant. 'O soi dispuest a lotâ par la pâs Latin - non solum pacis amator sum,..sed strenuus. Ad pugnandum pro pace paratus sum Polish - nie tylko jestem pacyfista...jestem pacyfista walczacym.Jestem gotowy walczyc o pokój Romanian - nu sunt doar pacifist, sunt un pacifist militant. Sunt dispus sa lupt pentru pace Slovak - nie som iba pacifista...som militantný pacifista. Som pripravený za mier bojovat Venetian - no so solo on pacifista ... so on pacifista militante. So disposto a lotare per la paxe Sicilian - non sulu sugnu pacifista... sugnu un pacifista militanti. Sugnu dispostu a luttari p' 'a paci Flemish - ik ben niet enkel een pacifist maat een militante pacifist. Ik ben bereid om voor vrede te vechten Ferrarese - an son brisa un pacifista e bona... a son un pacifista militante. A son dispost a far la guera par la pace Bolognese - a n sån brîsa såul un paziféssta... a sån un paziféssta arabé. A sån prónti anc a lutèr par la pès _________________ All languages, please click on this link http://www.rol.it/owa-k/press.frasiproc.carica?code=428 _________________ To unsubscribe from Verba Volant, please follow this link: http://www.rol.it/owa-k/press.rol_ml.verbavolant and write in the empty field next to unsubscribe the email address that you find after "TO:" in the Verba Volant emails alternatively write to the following address: unsubscribe_volant(a)rol.it always copying the EMAIL address written after "TO:"

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24 Oct '01

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[RANT] Unfettered immigration is rapidly shifting the ethnic and political balance of the United States
by attila! 24 Oct '01

24 Oct '01

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RE: Conman, quantum entaglement and no cat
by Incognito Innominatus 23 Oct '01

23 Oct '01

> Penn says Copperfield's trick is "Right out of the books." He goes on to > say that it's just a matter of presentation. But we all knew that, right? Of course. A moment's thought will make it clear that the list which was finally exhibited with the correct lottery numbers on it was not the same list which was sitting in that guarded envelope all that time. Somewhere along the way, in the process of opening the envelope, the magician makes a switch. It's the oldest trick in the book, or one of them anyway.

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Re: Retribution not enough
by David Honig 23 Oct '01

23 Oct '01

At 11:09 PM 10/22/01 +0300, Sampo Syreeni wrote: >On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Tim May wrote: > >>"Sure, unions are good" is not at all obvious to me. Why do you claim >>this? > >When they're not given special privileges, they are a useful tool for >market awareness and employee side organization. Sure. But unions work to make membership *compulsory*. They have other legal privledges. .... UC grad students (TAs) are Teamsters, members of AFL-CIO. Seriously. Obligatorily. No choice.

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Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.
by super ego 23 Oct '01

23 Oct '01

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. Thomas Jefferson We the people of this country we can do this if all our freedoms are taken away by the government. We are allowed to ask for reform if our country goes bad. How much longer will we let the government pick off our right? If we let it continue our country will become just like england right now! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com

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