October 2001 - cypherpunks-legacy

RE: Conman, quantum entaglement and no cat
by Sandy Sandfort 23 Oct '01

23 Oct '01

C'punks, As it happens, I sent Penn an e-mail asking him about Copperfield's trick. I didn't ask HOW it was done (that's considered bad form), but if he had a good idea how it was done or could have been done. Haven't heard from him yet, but I'll report his answer when I get it. S a n d y > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-cypherpunks(a)lne.com [mailto:owner-cypherpunks@lne.com]On > Behalf Of Bill Stewart > Sent: 22 October, 2001 19:05 > To: cypherpunks(a)lne.com > Subject: Re: Conman, quantum entaglement and no cat > > > At 04:16 PM 10/22/2001 -0700, Eric Cordian wrote: > >Anonymous forwarded: > > > > > "It wasn't a trick," Copperfield told Bild am Sonntag newspaper after > > > the performance on the popular Wanna Bet? show on ZDF television. "It > > > was more an experiment and mental exercise. We only use about 10 per > > > cent of our brain capacity." > >... > >How gullible can people be? The only magical art Copperfield > has mastered > >is the building of overengineered stage props. > > > >Randi would blow this away in 10 seconds. Better they had buried > >Copperfield's box in a Faraday Cage under 10 feet of wet cement, and had > >the armed guards watch that. > > > Now, if Penn and Teller had done the same thing, they'd say > "Of course it's a trick! We fooled you guys, > and you couldn't catch how we did it! > People only use 10% of our brain capacity, > but we're using 15% of ours and you're using 5% of yours, > so tricking you is *easy*! And we can do it again, > with Teller hanging upside down in a straightjacket > over a bed of nails!" > > Occasionally you can see how they do their tricks, > usually in the "Mofo the Psychic Gorilla" schtick, > but that's because while you're catching them doing one trick, > they're actually setting up another one. Mofo knows..... > > BTW, Penn did a nice anti-Clipper rant in his computer column > about N years ago.

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Re: eWe Won't Have CJ Parker and Richard NIxon To Kick Around AnyMore...
by sonofgomez709 23 Oct '01

23 Oct '01

From: Steve Furlong <sfurlong(a)acmenet.net> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- sonofgomez709 wrote: > So, the GoodNews is that I can probably avoid being > sent back to the BOP to be Tortured4BeingDisAbled > simply by ShuttingTheFuckUp! > The BadNews, OfCourseOfCourse [TM], is that I have thus > far proved incapable of doing so, I can't sympathise much on this basis. A family member, a retired cop and the family shame, confirmed what I had suspected: that most people in jail are there because they couldn't keep their mouths shut --- on the street, in the police station, in court. And many who are denied parole or who have it revoked couldn't keep their mouths shut in jail. To tell the truth, I don't think Ralph Waldo Emerson, Martin Luther King, etal, were particularly concerned about receiving sympathy. Even if you couldn't shut up, why didn't you use an anonymizer? You have a characteristic writing style, but there are other rambling, obscure writers on c-punks and the writing couldn't be positively linked to you. Or, better yet, you could learn to write in a conventional, straightforward, clear style and have complete deniability. My parole conditions prevent me from using anonymizers or anonymous remailers. Besides, I had complete deniability at the time of my original conviction, but it didn't matter, because I was denied the right to defend myself or interfere with the government's attorney conceding my guilt. CJ Parker <sonofgomez709(a)yahoo.com> http://profiles.yahoo.com/sonofgomez709 http://www.technopagan.org/politics/xenix/ http://members.w-link.net/~sog/INDEX.HTM http://jya.com/cejfiles.htm

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by flatrate2002＠phone_free.au 23 Oct '01

23 Oct '01

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Re: FBI considers torture as suspects stay silent
by A. Melon 23 Oct '01

23 Oct '01

On Tue, 23 Oct 2001 measl(a)mfn.org wrote: > On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Anonymous User wrote: > > > > At the risk of being told to go google (which I guess I'll do in a > > > moment), does anyone have any information either contrary to this, or > > > possibly of another "truth serum" that would fit the stated bill? > > > > Methylenedioxy-n-methylamphetamine. > > I have never heard of MDMA in this context before. > > A quick google does not produce meaningful citations either :-( Any > pointers to research? http://www.google.com/search?q=%22truth+drug%22 Turns up a lot of info on the various substances that have been tried as "truth drugs." The first hit is about MDMA: http://www.idmu.co.uk/xtruth.html I seem to recall that MDA (very similar to MDMA) was in fact used in US Army studies of truth drugs. The most likely to have some measure of sucess would probably be MDMA. However, no chemical is likely to be found that forces a subject to tell the truth. The most successful "truth drugs" all generally work on the same idea: if you can make your subject more relaxed, at ease, and eager to talk, you'll be able to extract more information from him and possibly extrapolate the truth from that. MDMA would have a greater degree of success in cases where the subject subconsciously wanted to talk anyway.

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Fair Warning
by sonofgomez709 23 Oct '01

23 Oct '01

The LEA's who accompanied my Parole Officer on her visit to my residence today performed an illegal search of the room of another resident of the house in which I live. Given the fact that the visit was a result of LEA monitoring of the CPUNX list, list members should be aware that their participation in the list may expose them to similar illegal intrusions by government agents. However, those with the financial resources to defend their constitutional rights and civil liberties probably do not need to be overly worried, since, in all likelihood, the LEA's illegal trampling on my neighbor's constitutional rights was simply a matter of their perception that somebody living in a low-rent shithole would not be in a position to cause them any grief over their illegal actions. Have A Nazi Day, CJ Parker <sonofgomez709(a)yahoo.com> http://profiles.yahoo.com/sonofgomez709 http://www.technopagan.org/politics/xenix/ http://members.w-link.net/~sog/INDEX.HTM http://jya.com/cejfiles.htm

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Your WirelessDeveloper Password
by The WirelessDeveloper Team 23 Oct '01

23 Oct '01

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Your WirelessDeveloper Password
by The WirelessDeveloper Team 23 Oct '01

23 Oct '01

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Your WirelessDeveloper Password
by The WirelessDeveloper Team 23 Oct '01

23 Oct '01

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Disney's SSSCA psy-ops: "EZ Jackster"
by Xeni Jardin 23 Oct '01

23 Oct '01

Forwarding a post from the pho digital music list (end of this message). A Newsforge item that also appeared about this today reads: "--Disney Channel cartoon portrays music downloads as evil The Disney Channel cartoon series The Proud Family (http://disney.go.com/disneychannel/zoogdisney/shows/proudfamily/index_main.… ) aired an episode on Oct. 5 entitled EZ Jackster. In the storyline, EZ Jackster is a Napster-like site, and the show's little heroines get addicted to the service and play a part in the downfall of the music industry. Disney is one of the backers of the SSSCA proposed legislation that is scheduled for a hearing before Congress Oct. 25. <http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=01/10/22/1636242&mode=thread The TV summary site, TV Tome, shows this synopsis of the episode in question: "After Penny spends $125 on CDs with her five-cent salary, she meets a boy, Mega, who tells her about a napster-like website he made called EZ Jackster. All weekend she was sitting at the computer, downloading music from EZ Jackster. Finally, Dijonay comes over and asks what she was doing over the weekend. Penny asks Dijonay if she can keep a secret, knowing that she can't. Penny tells Dijonay to tell everyone she knows about EZ Jackster. Her telling everybody about EZ Jackster has a ripple-effect all around the world. From India to Africa to Suga Mama! But rap singer, Sir Paid-A-Lot is threatened by this because he got a five-cents salary instead of his million-dollar salary. But suddenly, after wrestling, the news interrupted the next program telling about EZ Jackster. It shows a house of where the EZ Jackster-spreader lives. Oscar comments how ugly the house is, not realizing it was their house. Trudy is mad at Penny for stealing music so she takes away her computer. Later, Penny gets a call from Mega, asking if she is still using EZ Jackster. Will Penny listen to her parents?"--" [BEGIN PHO POST] -----Original Message----- From: PHO Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 12:06 AM Subject: pho: Tonight on Disney Well Pho Pholks Lara Lavi here from Very Juicy Records I relay this without passing judgement just sharing with you what I just saw this evening. I turn on the TV with my little 2.5 year old to watch some Disney show about an African American teen girl (The Proud Family - animated show) and here is the story line ( I think I missed the first couple scenes but here is the general jist. 1. Girl working at her antiquated computer her dad gave her in her room. 2. Mystery guy (cool hip hop looking dude in black) shows up at her window and supplies her with an up to date computer, takes her into "the Matrix and shows her a web area called Free Jackster where she can get all the music she could ever want FOR FREE, 3. The girl asks if this is illegal and mystery guy explains it is our birthright to have free music, creativity should not have a price 4. Girl gets addicted to collecting free music, her obsession leads to telling all her friends. soon the site is getting millions of hits from kids to grandmothers. 5. Next scene at the The Wizard Record Label board room where "Sir Paid Alot" enters to complain his royalty check was only five cents. This alerts The Wizard (head of the label) that there is a retail problem he needs to look into. 6. Teen Girl's house is surrounded that night by police and press and she is arrested for illegal downloads, gets a warning,. The news makes it clear that millions of people can;'t be stopped, Parents take computer away from girl and explain why free downloads is STEALING. - kind of an abirdged explanation of how copyrights work. 6. Next scene, Asian Guy's retail record store is empty, guy is crying on the floor. Teen Girl who happens to work at the store show up to work, aisian guy fires her for supporting all the free downloads 7. Next scene charts showing record sales are down down down to nothing because people get the music for free 8. Mystery guy shows up at teen girls' window again to try and convince her to go back to downloading but she says NO 7. Guy: "You still downloading?", Teen Girl: DOwnloading is stealin" Mr. Guy from Free Jackster: " I know you are afraid I am trying to show you a world without rules" Teen girl says no its wrong GOODBYE THE END [END PHO POST]

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Dam security
by Neil Johnson 22 Oct '01

22 Oct '01

I wonder what kind of security they have at the Old River Control Structure (ORCS) ? Background: The ORCS was built by the Corps in the 1960's to prevent the Mississippi from changing its path from the route that goes through New Orleans to a more direct route via the Atchafalaya River ( a route that is 170 miles shorter than it's current path). If the river did change course, It would destroy a large wildlife sanctuary and would eventually leave New Orleans and Baton Rouge without fresh water, not to mention economic impact it would have. http://www.mvn.usace.army.mil/pao/oldriver/course.htm It was almost destroyed during the massive floods of 1973 by scouring (basically the the river undermining the foundation of the structure). http://www.mvn.usace.army.mil/pao/oldriver/flood1973.htm The Corp has since reinforced the structure and built a additional structures to control the flow. http://www.mvn.usace.army.mil/pao/oldriver/repairs.htm See: http://www.mvn.usace.army.mil/pao/oldriver/oldriver.htm - Neil M. Johnson mailto:njohnsn@iowatelecom.net

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