September 2000 - cypherpunks-legacy

CDR: Re: RC4 source as a literate program
by Gary Jeffers 20 Sep '00

20 Sep '00

Fellow Cypherpunks, THE LAWYER GAMBIT I remember reading in old anti-IRS literature about a technique for avoiding prosecutions. A client would tell a lawyer that he wanted to do something and would ask if it were legal to do. The lawyer would then give his opinion as to wheather it was legal or not. If the lawyer said that it was legal and gave his opinion in writing, then the client could proceed without out worry. The lawyer's opinion would stop any criminal prosecution. I wonder if this would work with publishing crypt code. I think it might put the lawyer at risk. If we had a lawyer who really thought that publishing crypt code on the Internet was legal and wasn't afraid of sticking his neck out then his published statement on the Internet to this might open the floodgates of crypt code Internet posting for Americans. Donald has stated that the law in this area is quite vague. I would think even if the law prohibited it, then the law would be unconstitu- tional and therefore null and void. Any thoughts on this? Yours Truly, Gary Jeffers BEAT STATE!!!! _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

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CDR: RE: was: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?
by Kerry L. Bonin 20 Sep '00

20 Sep '00

At 02:42 PM 9/18/00 -0400, dmolnar wrote: > > >Here's another link on licensing of software engineers, this time from the >ACM: > >http://www.acm.org/serving/se_policy/report.html > >it seems that cryptographic/security software, if we ever get the >liability structure whose lack is often pointed out by Schneier ("we don't >have good security because we don't have to"), may be a prime target for >such licensing. > >-david To one extent, this has already happened. Under 15 CFR Part 740.13, in order to distribute public domain / open source cryptographic software without the classic restrictions under ITAR, you have to register yourself by sending an email to the NSA (well, the BXA address whose office happens to be in Ft. Meade.) So we already have mandatory registration for open source crypto developers. If key escrow legislation finally passes, they've got the list of individuals and companies to lean on, and imagine thats where licensing will come in.

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CDR: Official misbehavior
by jim bell 20 Sep '00

20 Sep '00

I'm working on Item 2 below. Jim Bell ================================= To: Frederick Burroughs <riburr(a)shentel.net> Subject: next to go on trial: Jeff Gordon and is co-conspirators. (was: Re: The Second Cypherpunks Show Trial ) From: Zooko Journeyman <zooko(a)wildgoose.tandu.com> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:09:51 -0600 cc: Cypherpunks <cypherpunks(a)ns.minder.net> In-Reply-To: Message from Frederick Burroughs <riburr(a)shentel.net> of "Mon, 12 Apr 1999 07:41:10 EDT." <3711DBD6.78EB1609(a)shentel.net> Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)Algebra.COM If there is anything to the speculation below, then perhaps J.G.&Co. are open to be hit where it hurts. Also Tim May's complaints about SSN-disclosure and character defamation might gain legal traction? And the unsigned, vaguely threatening messages that have been received by JYA and many other list members, both recently and immediately after the JB arrest? There are two possible developments that could yield a really happy ending here: 1. CJ's aquittal after a 1st Amendment defense. 2. Some good evidence of official misbehavior turns up and is leveraged into a solid criminal case against the loose cannons. Regards, Zooko

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CDR: Re: Please ignore this email- this is only test.
by No User 19 Sep '00

19 Sep '00

Yore ass is blackest, blackie, so put 'er there, pard! At 12:32 PM 19/09/00 -0800, auto95711(a)hushmail.com wrote: >----- Begin Hush Signed Message from auto95711(a)hushmail.com ----- > >The dog barks at midnight >The moon is full >The stick is brown >So is the toilet paper > >----- Begin Hush Signature v1.3 ----- >Hq+ukSgS7nN5At5dNsW7djRTS4xIVJYSVQCaJz8IagYPoqFpf6v+53aNnBZkgWQylppe >A4DBmdguSeI3oDIDauIyqlnC6VZZtdMbh0ZE3zv1jefvdB4Mo5CxCj+YQEO2KE+qXEsj >yEWUdvA0SYnU9q98ivzE3WzwrFrTCALk6udwXwEdxaLDsxCcaKT4ATxQ6urDuIKvDncw >998oXQr9HvFZLx2r3KxeLz9319tRxct19yD+Da0b0+ng3a/L9vY+sX986SwsfvkpcxwD >TMZMXWpPTgTOGhAMs1RQW7sP6ON+oVqVlPWAkwL7R9nstNxXJN9ZDSopJI/oxS894zA+ >YAw7+ghXyczpqjAuuK32AD7xNwKB4WuIlgefDqCd+dBDFmAJN4DpHlMpms47ZowundXK >5yQvn3JrYhWvmhb6Ffd/wRTmv4WwlyVXXHhDSYhs0jAQrbAX3SGE2rxvBi5Y3ri7pulZ >PWYe+eoaa2L+/HbmjuR4dx+jvZHRwGpv9cOSiirj2ss+ > >----- End Hush Signature v1.3 ----- --- This message did not originate from the Sender address above. It was mailed out with the anonymizing software at http://anon.xg.nu ---

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CDR: More COTUS rants...
by Jim Choate 19 Sep '00

19 Sep '00

And they say I'm half-baked?...I'm not alone. Findlaw: The Constitution and your CD's http://www.cnn.com/2000/LAW/09/columns/f1.hamlton.copyright.09.19/ ____________________________________________________________________ He is able who thinks he is able. Buddha The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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CDR: Cryptonomicon question...
by treblec＠iname.com 19 Sep '00

19 Sep '00

Greetings, I realise Cryptonomicon (by Neal Stephenson) was a thread middle of last year, and I don't intend to revisit old topics. But this question was posed to me, and I can't find the answer anywhere. And it's as simple as this... What is Avi's surname??? Web searches came up blank, I've re-read the book, and I couldn't see anything in the old discussion thread. Don't post responses (not worth the disk space on CH), but I would appreciate an email (and a page reference if possible) before it drives me nuts!!! Much appreciated Treble Clef --------------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email at http://geocities.iname.com

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CDR: The Dark Horse of Intellect Rides Again
by David Marshall 19 Sep '00

19 Sep '00

I'm copying this to the list because, aside from making fun of this idiot, I might as well post a short comment on the pathetic, sorry state of the Internet and society in general. This is necessary because we seem to have so many newbies on the list, as evidenced by the recent rambling about list filtering (_again_), and the latest anonymous remailer spiel. (Disclaimer: This is American-centric since America seems to be where the majority of the junk comes from.) I really don't know who to blame. Is it the American public education system which would rather teach students about Earth Day than about English or mathematics, and which would likely give "Dark Horse" an "A" for his drek? Is it the fault of popular entertainment and its stultifying effects? Is it the declining popularity of reading? Is it the canned, biased, and frankly lie-filled mainstream news? Perhaps it's better to blame the idiots themselves, since clearly it's possible to educate oneself. Perhaps its everyone's fault, though I'm not quite ready to accept responsibility for the proliferation of this brand of stupidity. I used to think that the Internet got the brunt of it, until I realized that I was just so used to it in meatspace that I tended to ignore it. It isn't really about grammar, because some people speak English as a second (or higher) language. It's more about *very* sloppy thinking. A mild example of it is "Dark Horse" telling me to give him a "simple answer : yes or no" and then asking me a question to which he clearly wants more than a simple "yes" or "no." (Note that I'm not counting as sloppy thinking the problems which are inherent in most languages, such as the answer to "Is it day or night?" being "yes" in all cases.) The American news media, in particular, tends to habitually get things wrong. In fact, when the news media reports on something I know about, the majority of the time they get it wrong. An example most of us can relate to is the horrible state of computer-related and Internet-related reporting. Of course, the natural conclusion to be drawn from this is that whenever the media reports on something I *don't* know much about, it's just as full of logical holes, lies, distortions, hype, and mistakes. Perhaps a worse effect is that people who realize this tend to think that virtually everything the media says is wrong by default. Perhaps it's all a lost cause when people in a college class can see how George W. Bush might be Plato's Democrat, but not how Al Gore might just as easily be Plato's tyrant. ("I'm for the people, not the powerful," for example.) The first assertion was praised by the students. The second apparently required more mental wattage than the students were capable of putting out. Both were made by students. Perhaps one of the Four (or however many there are now) Horsemen should be the Horseman of Stupidity. Another should be the Horseman of Apathy. A copy of the latest contribution of "Dark Horse" follows: "Dark Horse" <saynaaa(a)hotmail.com> writes: > Hello Stranger ! > > are you making fool of me ? No. I'd say that you're doing a fine job making a fool out of yourself. > > actually I did not find any simple answer to my questions !! Ah, of course. I can see how that is necessary for so simple a man. > > do you speak English ?;) Judging by your grammar, I apparently speak it much better than you do. > > > Now again I ask my questions and I hope you will anwer me with > > a simple answer : yes or no > > > > 1- is there any way to have access to a webpage like : www.sanjesh.org Yes. (If I'm allowed to say how, the answer is: "Yes, use a web browser, or do it manually using telnet if that's your thing. Duh.") > > 2- can I find somebody's email password in internet .. if yes , how ? Yes. Sniff it, get it via social engineering, trojan their machine... Please, quit chewing on your duodenum. > > > > waiting for your Simple answers ! I'm waiting for a complete sentence.

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19 Sep '00

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CDR: Re: The Dark Horse of Intellect Rides Again
by David Marshall 19 Sep '00

19 Sep '00

David Marshall <marshall(a)athena.dhis.org> writes: > to which he clearly wants more than a simple "yes" or "no." (Note that > I'm not counting as sloppy thinking the problems which are inherent in > most languages, such as the answer to "Is it day or night?" being > "yes" in all cases.) *slap* Now I'm doing it. It must be osmosis or something. I'm also aware that I'm nitpicking in both these posts. I should have added "and 'no; in intermediate cases such as dusk or dawn." Either way, the point is that English and most, if not all, languages I'm aware of have this particular problem. Some artificial languages, such as Lojban, tend to discourage this by, among other things, requiring or encouraging the respondant to restate the true portion of the statement.

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CDR: Where are the crypt source blackboards?
by Gary Jeffers 19 Sep '00

19 Sep '00

Where are the crypt source blackboards? Fellow Cypherpunks, It occurs to me that in mailing lists that concern crypt programming there should be posts with programs and large code fragments of crypt source lines. I don't remember seeing any such on Cypherpunks and the little I've checked out on Coderpunks I haven't seen any there either. I know that in Amerika it may or may not be illegal to post crypt source code, but I would think that foreign members would post crypt code. So, where is it? For Amerikans, they should at least be posting links to source code "blackboards" in order to develope crypt code. I don't even find that. To what degree is the prohibition of posting crypt source code having a negative impact on crypt developement and deployment? Yours Truly, Gary Jeffers BEAT STATE!!!! _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

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