December 2000 - cypherpunks-legacy

RE: Knowing your customer
by Nomen Nescio 07 Dec '00

07 Dec '00

R. A. Hettinga wrote: > Duncan Frissell popped up here on cypherpunks with pointers to the odd > bank in South Dakota or somewhere, 4 or 5 years ago, where you could get > a bank account without a SSN. It was exceptional in its example, and I > would doubt it possible even now. ... Has anyone recently attempted to open a non-interest bearing checking account without giving out an SSAN? What possible rationale (aside from "bank policy," "identification when you lose your passbook," "it's easier for us this way," or "the computer won't let us do that") could a bank (or the fedgov) have for requiring social security account numbers on such accounts?

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RE: Knowing your customer
by Trei, Peter 07 Dec '00

07 Dec '00

> R. A. Hettinga[SMTP:rah@shipwright.com] wrote > You're thinking of something else, but you're close enough. For instance, > there are laws in most jurisdictions about requiring a social security > number to open a bank account.... > Are you saying that a visiting foreigner can't open a bank account in the US? I'd be quite suprised if this is the case. Peter Trei

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RE: My plan to deal with subpoenas to testify
by Carskadden, Rush 07 Dec '00

07 Dec '00

Yes, if you receive a subpoena, there will be information with the document that instructs you on how to contact a clerk that will make travel arrangements for you if necessary. The rule here is that they will compensate you, or outright pay for, the cheapest method of transportation. In other words, if it is cheaper to drive, then they will not pay for a ticket. It does not mean that you will be riding in a goat truck or something of that nature. Any additional expenses associated with testifying can be indicated on a form that you will generally receive when you arrive. As for the forty dollars a day, this is true as well. ok, Rush -----Original Message----- From: Tim May [mailto:tcmay@got.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 3:19 PM To: cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net Subject: Re: My plan to deal with subpoenas to testify At 1:08 PM -0800 12/6/00, Tim May wrote: >At 3:52 PM -0500 12/6/00, Declan McCullagh wrote: >> >>>(Note about expenses: I had heard during the Parker trial that >>>various witnesses called to travel to Washington were to "submit >>>travel expense receipts." Is this true? What part of the >>>Constitution says citizens must >> >>Yes. It's a standard government form. They also paid something like >>$25 a day while you waited outside the courtroom before being >>called to the stand, and $40 a day you actually testified. Yay. > >As I said, it's not my job to buy plane tickets, hotel rooms, etc. >and then fill out a government form. > >Actually, I remember someone saying during the Parker case that a >government travel office would make all travel and lodging >arrangements. > >Not my job to lend money to the government. > >I'm watching a lawyer on the stand in the Seminole County part of >the rolling trial say that he charges $500 an hour to testify in >court cases. Sounds like a good fee for me to charge. I mis-spoke. He's not a lawyer...he's a statistics professor. Still, sounds like a good fee to charge for my "expert testimony" on Bell's scheme, should it come down to this. --Tim -- (This .sig file has not been significantly changed since 1992. As the election debacle unfolds, it is time to prepare a new one. Stay tuned.)

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nambla
by MttwF＠netscape.net 07 Dec '00

07 Dec '00

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Knowing your customer
by R. A. Hettinga 07 Dec '00

07 Dec '00

>From the banker's mouth... Cheers, RAH --- begin forwarded text

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RE: hi
by Trei, Peter 07 Dec '00

07 Dec '00

> Tim May[SMTP:tcmay@got.net] wrote: > > At 4:02 PM -0800 12/6/00, IT IS SHOOOSH wrote: > >Daer Reciever... > >i am a stuend in an American University... > >and i am taking a public speaking course... > >i have this week to give a persuasive speech (my final > >speech)...i thought of doing it about persuading my > >audience that seatbelts are not safe as we > >thought...there is a stydu done recently in England > >that showed that... > > > >i dont know,,is it a good topic,,or can u give me more > > > >thank you > >Rasha > > > > Daer Reciever Rasha, > > i am happi you r a stuend. amrika needs good stuends. > baste on yur speling, i think u shuld becum a teecher. > > --tim > Anyone else suspect that the original message (from a throw-away yahoo account) is a troll, and wonder if Tim might have been the author? [Tim, perhaps you're not, but replying so quickly in this manner to the original message (which is a canonical example of the way you satirize uneducated blacks) is suspicious to say the least :-] Peter

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Datamarc- We Buy Surplus
by BuyEnterpriseSys＠netscape.net 07 Dec '00

07 Dec '00

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ip: Guard tapped for infowar duties
by R. A. Hettinga 07 Dec '00

07 Dec '00

--- begin forwarded text

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Frezza: The Internet Vs. Tyranny, and Other Parting Thoughts
by R. A. Hettinga 07 Dec '00

07 Dec '00

Wherein Bill Frezza, my only reason for an InternetWeek subscription, signs off. So long, Bill, and thanks for all the fish... :-). Cheers, RAH At 10:08 PM -0700 on 12/6/00, InternetWeek Newsletter wrote: > Opinion: The Internet Vs. Tyranny, And Other Parting Thoughts > > Writing a regular opinion column is an invigorating tonic, a deadline- > disciplined interlude of forced reflection, providing an opportunity > to follow where the muse might lead. With this column, I have tried > to examine the broader impact of Internet technology on business, > public policy and society. My approach has been rooted in the firm > belief that ideas matter and that fundamental principles worked out > long ago can be applied to novel situations to guide us toward > discovering not only what might be but what ought to be. > > Working against the backdrop of a society that has deeply embraced > moral relativism has provided ample opportunity to lay bare the > hypocrisy that permeates both the business and political leadership > of our day. Judging by the mail I've received from so many readers > over the years, this has delighted some and infuriated others, which > was exactly my objective. > > Our industry, the telecommunications industry, and its newborn wonder > child the Internet, are shaking up the world like no revolution > before. Of course there are historical developments that had greater > impact. But none has affected so many people over such a brief > period. And, thanks to the acceleration of events brought about by > the Internet itself, we are all in a position to see the results of > the choices we make, unlike our predecessors who played largely to > posterity. > > Most encouraging, the power to innovate is decentralizing, with the > rewards for success so unabashedly disproportionate that > extraordinary efforts are being called forth from people who might > otherwise be content to lead ordinary lives. Progress has always come > from the motivated few over the objections of the complacent many. > The way these few are treated determines the future. The most > profound contribution of the American experiment to human happiness > is that we have freed the basic impulse for improvement from the > tyranny of hidebound culture. The Internet has become both the source > and the conduit to export our culture of success to the rest of the > planet, smashing ancient chauvinism by exposing one and all to the > Darwinian hurricane. > > Capital has been pried from the grip of those whose main objective > was to preserve it, set loose in a global arena seeking market-driven > returns. Talent has been released from the prison of place to make > contributions far beyond the reach of local customs and constraints. > The price to access knowledge has dropped so precipitously that > anyone can stand on the shoulders of everyone, scaling heights that > would otherwise take lifetimes to achieve. The cost of failure has > been reduced to such acceptable levels that this marvelous teacher > can instruct without maiming, making its students stronger as they > prepare for the next challenge. Coercive force wielded by prince or > mob is receding toward impotency, unable to have its way as the prime > productive asset becomes the power of unfettered minds. > > These are good things to remember as we head into a cyclical economic > downturn. Many will question the value of what has been created. The > reactionaries will preach ruin and the envious will gloat, claiming > the Internet bubble was an aberration. They are wrong. The > businesses, technologies and entrepreneurs that survive the cleansing > fires will form the foundation for the next round of growth. The > failures will be its fertilizer. This is as it should be. Unlike the > Roaring Twenties when the central government was powerful enough to > turn a recession into a protracted depression, today's government is > so palpably broken, careening headlong toward a chronic dysfunctional > state, that it can be discounted. Washington will remain a bleeding > tax on progress, but as a tapeworm rather than a cancer. The > innovators will outrun it, along with its European counterparts who > foolishly believe that coalescing into a single ministerial glob will > assure bureaucratic immortality. > > Thank you, dear readers. It has been a great six years. This is my > last column, at least for the foreseeable future. The press of > business and the closing of our newest venture fund demands my full > attention. I am also deathly afraid that I am becoming a bore, > preaching the same themes in variations that can only be appreciated > by diehard free market capitalists--a misunderstood minority even in > the best of times. Hence until I retire, a good 10 years from now, my > harangues will have to be reserved for my poor dinner companions. > > Happy thoughts for a happy future. Farewell, until we meet again. > --Bill Frezza -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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07 Dec '00

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