December 2000 - cypherpunks-legacy

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by Kessler Thompkins 10 Dec '00

10 Dec '00

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Feds Win "Child Porn" Case
by Eric Cordian 09 Dec '00

09 Dec '00

A Texas couple who ran two very well known and popular age-verification services for Adult Web content have been convicted over the contents of two foreign Web sites which were illegal in the United States, one hosted in Russia, and the other hosted in Indonesia. Age-verification services are a popular method of financing web sites. Subscribers purchase a code for a small fee on a credit card, which proves that they are adults, and gives them access to thousands of web sites which use the particular vendor's codes to admit only adults to pornographic material. Part of the money for the subscriptions is used to make a micropayment to the visited sites Apparently, age-verification services will now be responsible for verifying all content which their codes are used to access, a humongous task. Apparently, providing an access code for content legally hosted in another country now makes one subject to US laws as if one had provided the content from within the US on ones own server. (Cypherpunks beware, while it is child porn that is being run up the flagpole to support this interpretation of the law, bomb-making instructions and seditious speech could easily be next on the list. I imagine Eterity Service operators could easily be characterized as "madams" for their content as well, particularly if they took small payments for accessing the system.) When this story first came out, the news reports mentioned the real issues involved. Now that a conviction has been obtained, one needs a microscope to even determine that the couple did not distribute any underage pornography themselves, that anyone could sign up to use their service, and that the vast majority of the material their codes could be used to access was perfectly legal. Their mistake, it seems, was in allowing revenues from people seeking to access a couple of popular overseas child porn sites, legal in the host country, to become a major source of income for their business. This destroyed their plausible deniability over the content hosted by their clients, and in spite of expensive legal opinions they had gotten which told them they had no legal exposure as mere age-verifiers, permitted the Feds to convince a jury that they functioned as "madams" for the "child-porn warehouse." Of course, because they dared to take the case to trial, and didn't plead, they will face an extremely harsh toilet-plungering by the judge at their sentencing. Here's one article on the case, from something that calls itself the Fort Worth Star-Telegram. Note the use of terms like "The Child Pornography Business" and no mention of age-verification at all. But then, when you're "saving the little children," you are permitted to suspend ordinary journalistic ethics in a very Kirkegaardian way. ----- By Toni Heinzl Star-Telegram Staff Writer FORT WORTH -- Thomas Reedy gave himself the email name "Houdini," but even the legendary escape artist could not have wiggled out of the net of evidence of child pornography that authorities built against Reedy's Fort Worth Internet company. After deliberating 6= hours Friday, a federal jury convicted Reedy, 37, and his company, Landslide, on all 89 counts of an indictment accusing him of distribution of child pornography, sexual exploitation of minors and related charges. His wife, Janice Reedy, 32, was convicted on 87 of the 89 counts. The two counts on which she was acquitted had to do with 70 pornographic images on two of the couple's home computers, which were used mainly by Thomas Reedy, according to trial testimony. The Reedys were accused of giving Landslide subscribers access to Internet sites displaying child pornography for fees ranging from $14.95 to $29.95 per month per site. The sites were maintained by foreign Web masters. Landslide was the only gateway to the child-porn sites, prosecutors said. On its Web site a "click here for child porn" link directed customers to the sites. Landslide gave its subscribers user names and passwords after verifying their credit cards. The Reedys could face sentences of life in prison based on the number of counts, the money involved and the violent content of the Web sites they marketed and provided access to. U.S. District Judge Terry Means will sentence the Reedys. He did not set a sentencing date, but federal sentencings typically occur a few months after conviction. The Reedys played a high- stakes gamble taking the case to trial, despite the self- incriminating statements they gave investigators during a raid on their home last year and the mountain of evidence gathered. Thomas Reedy had admitted to a postal inspector that 30-40 percent of his business came from child pornography. Prosecutors had offered Reedy a plea bargain of 20 years in prison in exchange for a guilty plea and his wife five years in a package deal, but the couple refused to take it, prosecutors and defense attorneys said. Prosecutors and investigators who worked for more than a year on the Landslide case said they hope the verdict will put other Internet merchants of child pornography on notice. "I hope this verdict might scare other companies into stopping what they're doing," Assistant U.S. Attorney Terri Moore said. "Police and prosecutors get smarter about this stuff and we're going after them." Dallas Police Detective Steve Nelson, who signed on undercover as a subscriber to Landslide and bought access to more than 20 child- pornography sites, said he was relieved after the verdict. Nelson, a member of the Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force in Dallas, had unearthed evidence of child pornography on sites called "Child Rape," "Children Forced to Porn," "I am 14" and more. He and other investigators saved and documented images that included scenes of children being raped by adults. "This was the tip of the iceberg," he said. "Other companies should be put on notice that they will be dealt with if they exploit children." [Translation. We will be fucking with other age-verification services in the very near future.] Attorney Wes Ball, who defended Thomas Reedy and Landslide, said he will appeal. He reiterated to a reporter what he told the jury in his final argument: "We don't think the responsibility trickles down this far from the Web masters. The Web masters are absolutely responsible." The Reedys were charged in a conspiracy with two Indonesian Web masters, R.W. Kusuma and Hanny Ingganata, and Russian Web master Boris Greenberg, who have not been arrested. The Reedys netted more than $1 million with their porn business between 1997 and 1999 and paid about 60 percent to the foreign Web masters, federal prosecutors said. The child porn business provided a comfortable lifestyle for the couple. They lived in a $425,000 Lakeside home, and each drove a new Mercedes. That abruptly ended last year when federal agents raided their company and home. The business was shut down. The cars were seized along with $130,000 in bank accounts and a few thousand dollars in stocks. Since then, the bank foreclosed on their home. Moore reminded jurors in her closing argument that the Reedys had gotten rich off the misery of children. After Ball compared what they did with ticket takers at a movie theater who are not responsible for the movies, Moore gave jurors another analogy to think about. "They're not the ticket takers, they're like the madam in a whorehouse," she said. "You can't see the girls without the madam." [blah blah etc snip] --- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

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Re: ip: Chaos Theory
by auto110413＠hushmail.com 09 Dec '00

09 Dec '00

So this is interesting, but you do understand that from a strictly logical perspective it's completely inconsistent and makes no sense whatsoever?? Mr. Murphy complains that Gaza does not meet this "requirements" for being an anarchy - I would then respectully ask "what does???".. If Gaza is not anarchy, has there EVER been an anarchy in all of recorded history? The "State," as a structure of social organization, exists even in communities of animals that are of substantial sub-human intelligence (e.g., wolf packs, lion prides, dophins, ants, most primates and most other social, intelligent animals all exhibit some form of "pecking order" that can loosely be interpreted to be power structures that self-organized out of "random chaos" (so to speak) so as to further the chances of survival for the species as a whole..) human governments are very similar, except they attempt to inject some degree of "civil procedures" into this otherwise life/death Darwinian drama.. If Mr. Murphy seeks a system where people own property and where other people respect this property, then what exactly, I ask, is wrong w/ Northern California?? Defining anarchy to be such a system (where people own property and other people respect this property) is a complete and total breakdown of all logical, rational reasoning.. I hope you also understand that from the perspective of a business man, perhaps the most important role that governments provide is not necessarily "an organized system of corrupt thugs to whom we pay protection money in the form of taxes" (to paragraph Mr. Murphy's arguments); instead, government most importantly provides business with an institution upon which businesses may pass on risk (if necessary).. ALL business is about minimizing risk, and the more that businesses are able to pass on risk to government (the "State", so to speak), the happier they are.. You need look no further than the DoD bailout of Iridium to see what I mean.. (there are MANY other such examples too..) If Mr. Murphy believes that it is possible to run a business absent government (i.e., in an anarchy), I suggest he quit the pot-smoking grad school scene, get a REAL job (preferabbly in Northern California) and see firsthand how the world REALLY works.. (perhaps AFTER he spends several months in Russia, so he can compare and constrast..) the word "anarcho-capitalist" has no reality for me.. nor should it for any rational, sane human being.. its substantially less than an oxymoron and makes NO SENSE whatsoever.. if you want to live in a world that sustains "anarchy-capitalism", you may as well live in a world where two people can eat the same piece of pizza or a person has the freedom to jump over the Moon (to cite examples from the article) > >A nice rant, below, from a fellow anarcho-capitalist lapsed conservative >apparently Hillsdale College grad. > >[I swear, folks, I *tried* snipping this to relevant bits. :-). I mean, >there's a URL in it and all, and, admittedly, he's preaching to the >choir >around here, but this is nicely done that I couldn't bring myself to >premasticate it for cypherpunk consumption.] > >Cheers, >RAH > > > >--- begin forwarded text > > >Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 20:35:04 -0600 >To: believer(a)telepath.com >From: "S. Hunter" <quailrun(a)centex.net> (by way of believer(a)telepath.com) >Subject: ip: Chaos Theory > > >http://www.lewrockwell.com/murphy/murphy19.html > >Chaos Theory > >by <mailto:robert_p_murphy@yahoo.com>Bob Murphy > >Throughout history, there have been countless arguments advanced to >support >the State. None of them has been valid. This essay will address a certain >class of these arguments, whose sleight-of-hand consists in a definitional >trick. My purpose here is not to make the positive case for pure >laissez-faire, but merely to show that each pro-government argument >is a >non sequitur. > >Anarchy is the absence of government, both in political science and >everyday usage (it is the first definition given by Websters, e.g.). >Chaos, in the context of social science, refers to lawlessness, or the >absence of a relative degree of regularity in human affairs. (I say >a >"relative degree" because, obviously, virtually all humans will always >obey >the rule of, e.g., avoiding someone with leprosy or not slaughtering >every female in sight. The laws to which lawlessness is opposed are >generally meant to imply the sometimes irksome rules necessary for a >civil >society.) > >[...]

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My short writeup of the NymIP effort
by Declan McCullagh 09 Dec '00

09 Dec '00

http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,40582,00.html Devising Invisible Ink by Declan McCullagh (declan(a)wired.com) 2:00 a.m. Dec. 9, 2000 PST WASHINGTON -- An ambitious effort to protect online anonymity will kick off this weekend. A working group of about a dozen technologists, called NymIP, is gathering before the Internet Engineering Task Force's meeting to take the very first steps toward devising a standard that will foster untraceable communications and Web browsing for Internet users. Currently, commercial products such as Anonymizer.com and Zero Knowledge's Freedom client permit anonymous or pseudonymous Net-surfing. The NymIP effort aims to create standard protocols that would be more widely adopted and not tied to one company's product or service. Zero Knowledge, a Montreal firm, began the project last month, but the working group is now headed by Harvard University's Scott Bradner, an IETF veteran. Quips Zero Knowledge engineer John Bashinski: "I've been heard enough as it is, and am trying to moderate my natural big-mouthed tendencies and let others speak for a while." One probable topic of discussion: The tradeoffs between bandwidth and security. Absolute security requires scads of cover traffic to mask the communications that a user wants to conceal, but it also eats up bandwidth. "Scalability isn't too bad if you're looking at scaling the number of users," writes Bashinski in a post to the NymIP mailing list. "Where scaling seems to bite you is with the size of the anonymity group, defined as the set of users that, given the information the recipient or an eavesdropper has, could have sent a given message. In high-security systems, more or less those with meaningful resistance to traffic analysis, scaling in the anonymity group size seems to be superlinear, maybe even N^2." Translation: That's enough to clog a lot of T-3 lines. [...] http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,40583,00.html New Film 'Dungeons' Drags On by Declan McCullagh (declan(a)wired.com) 7:00 p.m. Dec. 8, 2000 PST Too many films based on a tale with origins far from Hollywood suffer from that irksome flaw of not being true to the original, leaving fans to gnash their teeth and moan like an orc with gastritis. Not so Dungeons & Dragons, which is afflicted with the related but equally vexing ailment of hewing too closely to the awesomely popular role-playing game that gave it life. To wit: The 100-minute flick from New Line Cinema is less a story of love and adventure than a convenient vehicle for some occasionally-phenomenal light shows in dungeons and hordes of swooping dragons flapping around the Empire of Izmer looking like nothing so much as oversized pterodactyls equipped with +5 fireballs and terribly bad attitudes. But successful real-life D&D games require far more -- well-drawn heroes and convincing antagonists are not at all optional. And in devising this wide screen adaptation that opened Friday, director-grand-poobah Courtney Solomon has failed repeated saving throws against the chaotic-evil forces of blandness and blah. By itself, the story shows promise. A vaguely medieval society is sharply divided between the Mages -- an elite and somewhat stuffy breed of magic users who skulk around their towering stone fortress -- and everyone else. Izmer's teen empress (an unremarkable Thora Birch) wants everyone to be "equal," a vague but unobjectionable idea, while the evil Mage Profion (Jeremy Irons) has successfully convinced the legislature otherwise. A power struggle ensues that makes the Florida election look like an endearing display of bonhomie, and the winner is the side that can find the fabled Rod of Savrille and thus command the mighty red dragons. Enter two thieves, Ridley (Justin Whalin) and Snails (Marlon Wayans), who join a cute young female mage, a grumpy dwarf, and an aloof elf -- your classic D&D traveling companions -- to trounce the bad guy, help the good one, and perhaps encounter a love interest or two along the way. It's a good start, but not much more. The director, Solomon, can't seem to decide whether to take the film seriously or allow it to spoof itself -- and neither can the actors. The performance by Academy Award-winning Irons is remarkable only in how lackluster it is, and Wayans' inner-city slang is as out of place as he would be in any believable Thieves' Guild. Note to Solomon: Thieves should be lithe and sneaky, not bumbling trolls. (At least -- spoiler alert -- this Jar Jar Binks stand-in is slaughtered halfway through the movie.) [...]

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Freenet and anarcho-capitalist
by Jim Choate 09 Dec '00

09 Dec '00

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RE: Signatures and MIME Attachments Getting Out of Hand
by Trei, Peter 09 Dec '00

09 Dec '00

> ---------- > From: Sean R. Lynch[SMTP:seanl@literati.org] > Reply To: Sean R. Lynch > Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 8:58 PM > To: petro > Cc: cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net > Subject: Re: Signatures and MIME Attachments Getting Out of Hand > > <<File: SMIME.txt>> > > Sean writes: >ASCII plain text *is* The Way. But guess what, PGP/MIME *is* plain text. >You can even parse it with your eyeballs. Sean: Guess what: Your message comes as an attachment, which I have to open seperately. Peter

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NYT:The Nexus of Privacy and Security
by Anonymous 09 Dec '00

09 Dec '00

By JOHN SCHWARTZ EDMOND, Wash., Dec. 7 Q Trust us. Please? That is the message from leaders of high-technology businesses and advocacy groups at SafeNet 2000, a Microsoft-sponsored conference on computer security and privacy. The stated purpose of the conference, which opened here today, is to reach a consensus on issues like when and how to publicize vulnerabilities in a vendor's software Q like, say, Microsoft's Q that could compromise privacy or data security. But the freewheeling panel discussions today touched on all the major policy issues facing high technology companies. And it showed, as Microsoft's chairman, William H. Gates, said in a keynote address, that privacy and security "are tied together in a very deep way." Announcing a Microsoft initiative on consumer privacy, Mr. Gates said the next version of the company's Internet Explorer software for browsing the Internet would incorporate a technology that could make it easier to ascertain the privacy policies on Web sites. The conversation at the conference was remarkably frank, and sometimes quarrelsome. In a discussion of privacy issues, Nick Mansfield of Shell Services International, a computer services subsidiary of the Royal Dutch/Shell Group, praised consumer privacy rules passed by the European Union and said that in contrast, "I don't see anything intelligent in the privacy field in North America." The comment elicited a murmur of irritation in the packed meeting room, but a few minutes later, Microsoft's own chief privacy officer, Richard Purcell, said much the same thing. Consumers, he said, merely see an industry that is squabbling over position in the market, not one that is moving forward with any coherence on privacy issues. "How do we get to that vocabulary, that purpose and that channel of communication," he asked, "that assures consumers that we aren't a lot of evil-headed monsters?" It was notable, though little remarked by the attendees, that the conference's host has often been at the center of the privacy and security debate. Some of the most prominent computer virus attacks, including the "I Love You" program started early this year in the Philippines and the Melissa program last year, took advantage of the vulnerability of Microsoft's wares and their near- ubiquity around the globe. Some who did not attend the conference were not so gentle. "The irony of it is amazing," Jeff Bates, editor of the online technology news site known as Slashdot, said in an e- mail interview. He accused Microsoft of being "a company that leaves me vulnerable to security holes so that it can make my screen look prettier." Others at the conference noted that one of the meeting's goals Q to come up with standard procedures for reporting software flaws Q would serve Microsoft well, since it has long been the victim of "gotcha" announcements that describe bugs before the company has had a chance to fix them. A former hacker who goes solely by the name of Mudge, who now works as a security consultant, defended Microsoft for having changed since the days when he and his friends would gleefully publish examples of its software flaws on the Internet. "There was a time when they would treat an information release quite differently," he said, by trying to sweep the problem under a rug. In recent years, Microsoft has poured money and personnel into responding to bugs, and has improved its relations with those who publicize them, Mudge said. Describing the new privacy features in Internet Explorer, Mr. Gates said they would let consumers decide what level of privacy protection they need Q whether, for example, the machine should accept cookies, the software deposited in consumers' PC's by Web sites to track visitors. The system, known as Platform for Privacy Preferences Project, or P3P, has long been under independent development. But the announcement means that Microsoft is pulling back from a simpler approach to giving consumers more control over their cookies by letting them block all "third party" cookies, those originating from sites other than the one that the Web surfer is visiting. Such cookies irk many privacy advocates, who say that they expose consumers to scrutiny by advertising firms, for example, without their knowledge or consent. On the security side, Mr. Gates said Microsoft, which suffered an embarrassing series of hacker intrusions in October, had been trying to act as a model for other companies by instituting a pilot program using "smart cards" to restrict access to the inner workings of the company's computer networks. The project put the cards into the hands of about 1,000 system administrators, who must insert them into special readers on their computers to make any changes on the company's networks. Barry Steinhardt of the American Civil Liberties Union said the example showed the frequent tension between privacy and security, since the technology allows a person's movements to be tracked when a door is opened or a PC used. Smart cards, he said, "have value as security technology, but they are very destructive of privacy Q you're identified everywhere you go." Mr. Gates called for enhancing network security systems to help people get the information they want, block the mail they do not want and prevent computer intrusion. Moments after his speech, Microsoft's public relations firm sent out press releases announcing that the kinds of security software described by the Microsoft chairman were available from Microsoft.

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Personal Firewalls Fail the Leak Test
by Nomen Nescio 09 Dec '00

09 Dec '00

By Brian McWilliams In an attempt to show that personal firewalls may afford their users little protection against serious threats, a respected PC security expert has released a new software tool that pokes holes in many of the leading desktop security packages. Security-conscious Internet users, especially those on broadband connections, have made desktop firewall software into a booming business for companies like Symantec and Network Associates. But according to Steve Gibson, president of Gibson Research, almost all of these utilities only provide "pseudo protection" against attacks. That's because they put most of their effort into blocking incoming hacker attacks, while paying only scant attention to what he calls internal extrusion. "I really believe the problem of software in your computer misbehaving is much bigger than the problem of hacker attacks. Most people don't have any vulnerabilities; there's nothing a hacker can do to you. So I argue against the necessity of any kind of inbound blocking tool," said Gibson. To prove his point, Gibson has developed a free utility called LeakTest. The 27-Kbytes program is a trojan-horse/spyware simulator that attempts to slip past a personal firewall's defenses and connect to a server on the Internet. Not surprisingly, popular intrusion detection programs like BlackIce Defender from Network Ice fail to catch the outgoing connection and report it to the user. But more disturbingly, several firewalls that claim to offer outbound detection are also fooled by LeakTest. Among them, the best selling Norton Personal Firewall and McAfeeFirewall. Both are among a small number of desktop firewall programs that attempt to address the problem of unauthorized outbound leakage, but Gibson says they fall short and can be easily fooled or bypassed because they come pre-programmed to allow some applications to pass through the firewall. "This idea of allowing all these apps pre-approval is ludicrous. It's trivial to get permission out of the firewall without notifying the user," said Gibson, who observed that only one firewall, ZoneLab's ZoneAlarm, prevents malware from masquerading as a trusted program. "They do a cryptographic signature of the programs you're allowing. That's not hard to do, but they're the only ones who do it," he said. Tom Powledge, Symantec's product manager for Norton Internet Security, said the risks outlined by Gibson are low if users are running both a firewall and anti-virus software. And he said Symantec knows of no instances of programs that specifically target Norton Personal Firewall, which is shipped with NIS. But in response to Gibson's critique, Symantec plans to revise the application integrity checking feature in NIS, with an update available to users over Live Update by early next week. In the meantime, Powledge said concerned users can turn off automatic firewall rule creation. Judging by comments on the LeakTest message board at Gibson's site, plenty of users are concerned about the newly exposed porosity of their favorite firewall software. But Symantec's Powledge said their fears could have been avoided if Gibson had given vendors the customary advance notice before releasing LeakTest. "We were seeing no concern about this, and no exploits have been written. And while this makes customers aware of a potential issue, it also makes hackers aware," said Powledge. But Gibson, who had an earlier run-in with RealNetworks over the privacy behavior of its RealDownload product, said he's learned that unless pressure is brought to bear, companies are resistant to change. "These firewalls are not going to get better unless there's someone saying and able to prove -- and to enable the user to prove -- that these things are junk."

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Microsoft banned from security email list
by Nomen Nescio 09 Dec '00

09 Dec '00

By Stephen Shankland Staff Writer, CNET News.com December 8, 2000, 1:05 p.m. PT URL: http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-4062758.html The administrator of a popular computer security mailing list banned postings from Microsoft on Thursday after the company stripped detailed information out of its advisories, but a compromise is likely on the way. Microsoft last week pared down the security warnings it sends by email to the Bugtraq and NT-Bugtraq mailing lists as well as to 130,000 other subscribers who want to know about vulnerabilities and fixes to Microsoft software, said Scott Culp, Microsoft's security program manger. Instead, the emails include a link to a Web page with additional details. Microsoft made the change so customers get the most up-to-date and accurate information rather than potentially out-of-date news from an archived email. "The goal is to make sure the information is as useful as it can be, it's timely, and it's accurate," he said. But he acknowledged Microsoft still must send new email out if the Web site changes. Bugtraq moderator Elias Levy thought the change was a step in the wrong direction. "I will no longer be approving any advisories with little or no content that point you to some other place for information," he said in a posting Wednesday. The change meant information is a step farther away, not archived and available in a single central source that might not always be available, he said. The dispute marks another chapter in the sometimes rocky relationship between Microsoft and security experts. While outside programmers often find problems with Microsoft's software, sometimes they earn Microsoft's ire by publishing the vulnerability before Microsoft has time to fix it. Levy wasn't the only one to complain. In a note Friday, programmer Forrest Cavalier voted to resurrect the older format, saying Microsoft has been known to move Web pages so older addresses no longer work. "There was a time that Microsoft URLs had a half-life of a few months," he said. Russ Cooper, moderator of a different security mailing list called NT-Bugtraq, applauded Microsoft's change. "Its very easy to have conflicting information about the scope of a vulnerability depending on which email version of the bulletin you're looking at," he said in a Wednesday posting. Culp, who spoke Friday with Levy at a Microsoft security conference, said Microsoft expects to change the format of the advisories to compromise. "There's a trade-off between how often can you send the (advisory) vs. the extra step of going to the Web page. Somewhere in there is a middle ground," Culp said. Levy began posting text versions of the Microsoft Web pages, but he said Microsoft told him "in no uncertain terms" that reproducing the information "would be considered an act of copyright violation." "So until Microsoft changes their policy or changes their email bulletins back to the old format, you won't see them on the list," Levy said. Microsoft is seeking email comment on the new advisory format. About 1,500 people so far have sent their opinions to the secfdbck(a)microsoft.com email address, he said. Levy couldn't be reached for comment today. Another change that comes with the new format is that Microsoft can track who is reading its Web advisories through the use of invisible tracking software called Web bugs, according to Privacy Foundation chief technology officer Richard Smith, who noted that he didn't see that as "a big deal." "One thing that Microsoft is learning here is what bulletins people consider important," he said in a posting to Bugtraq. "With the older format, where all the info was in an email message, they did not get this feedb

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by feedback＠tapdirect.com 09 Dec '00

09 Dec '00

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