December 2000 - cypherpunks-legacy

Buying Echelon - Echelon and Acension Island .AC domain names available
by Bill Stewart 12 Dec '00

12 Dec '00

Suppose you want to buy up a world-wide spying organization.... There a few Echelon names for sale - echelon.dk is owned, but the web site has a for sale sign echelon.com, org, net, and ca are owned by businesses. echelon.to is taken, but I can't get the web page to respond and email bounces with host unknown echelon.co.uk is taken, but I can't get the web page to respond and email to nonexistent(a)echelon.co.uk gets bouncegrams from postmaster(a)echelon.com, and there's a maze of twisty little MX records hanging around it. echelon.to is "taken" but doesn't have DNS records If Bill Scannell wants an Acension Island domain name to go with his passport stamp, they're available at http://betterwhois.register.com echelon.ac and echelon.sh (St. Helena) are available :-) Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart(a)pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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DCSB: Chuck Wade; ACH in Internet Payment
by R. A. Hettinga 12 Dec '00

12 Dec '00

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Re: leah getting sued (fwd)
by Jim Choate 12 Dec '00

12 Dec '00

Things get serious in alternate-namespace land... ____________________________________________________________________ Before a larger group can see the virtue of an idea, a smaller group must first understand it. "Stranger Suns" George Zebrowski The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 15:24:47 -0800 (PST) From: "Bradley D. Thornton" <tallship(a)tallship.net> Reply-To: orange(a)dns.list To: orange(a)dns.list Cc: orange(a)vrx.net Subject: Re: leah getting sued Sorry Joe, I'm no longer at liberty to discuss this matter. There's a leaker on this "Private" list and I just got contacted by an Australian Barrister with a full copy of my post to this list, and no word as to whom may have forwarded it. To bring a piece of sobering reality to the leakage on a private list just let me point out some earlier jokes from last week where I was the object. "ver didst you put zee microfeesh Vladimer?" Not always as funny as that is it people? So I may start up my own cc list of people on this list of people I "Think" I can trust. On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, !dr.baptista wrote: > > good question - bradley?? did the nice begal identify himself? > > regards > joe > > On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Dan Steinberg wrote: > > > SO? > > My original questions still stand; > > who? > > what? > > where? > > when? > > why? > > > > all you have done is find a venue... > > > > "!dr.baptista" wrote: > > > > > i've changed the subject line - the other subject was geeting confusing. > > > > > > the australian courst are a bit like the canadian courts - one good > > > example is the ontario court general division which in it's wisdom has > > > decided anything to do with the internet that affects a canadian is > > > subject to their jurisdiction. and if for any reason you can't defend > > > yourself - bingo - your guilty. > > > > > > On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Dan Steinberg wrote: > > > > > > > Yes but all that was about the threat of Leah being sued. not about them > > > > having grounds to sue others. > > > > My point was that someone (cant remember who) figured she was about to be > > > > sued and I was scratching my head wondering (even in the US) how they could > > > > come up with something? > > > > > > > > > > > > "Bradley D. Thornton" wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Dan Steinberg wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dan wrote something in html or something, so it didn't come up in the > > > > > quote, but... > > > > > > > > > > You mentioned irreparable harm. > > > > > > > > > > Isn't Atlantic Root Network Inc., (Leah and Karl) being harmed by the > > > > > publicity of people offering "pre-registrations" for .biz when there > > > > > aren't any, and have never been any "pre-registration" programs for a > > > > > registry that only offers "Live Registrations"? > > > > > > > > > > Isn't that also fraud, since they have never been accredited by the > > > > > Registry that is the only authority that can accept such agreements to > > > > > allow other registrars to accept registrations for .biz? > > > > > > > > > > Aren't they causing harm by stating that it isn't yet available when it > > > > > is? > > > > > > > > > > The PacificRoot is all over the search engines and .BIZ was featured in > > > > > Wired magazine among others. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > ,,, > > > > > (o o) > > > > > |----------------------oOO-(_)-OOo-------------------------| > > > > > | Bradley D. Thornton "So foul a sky clears | > > > > > | Mgr NetWork Services not without a storm" | > > > > > | NOMAD Internetwork - Shakespeare - | > > > > > | www.pacificroot.com | > > > > > |----------------------------------------------------------| > > > > > |-----On the Beaches of Super Sunny Southern California----| > > > > > |----------------------------------------------------------| > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Dan Steinberg > > > > > > > > SYNTHESIS:Law & Technology > > > > 35, du Ravin phone: (613) 794-5356 > > > > Chelsea, Quebec fax: (819) 827-4398 > > > > J9B 1N1 e-mail:synthesis@vrx.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Dan Steinberg > > > > SYNTHESIS:Law & Technology > > 35, du Ravin phone: (613) 794-5356 > > Chelsea, Quebec fax: (819) 827-4398 > > J9B 1N1 e-mail:synthesis@vrx.net > > > > > > > > > > -- ,,, (o o) |----------------------oOO-(_)-OOo-------------------------| | Bradley D. Thornton "So foul a sky clears | | Mgr NetWork Services not without a storm" | | NOMAD Internetwork - Shakespeare - | | www.pacificroot.com | |----------------------------------------------------------| |-----On the Beaches of Super Sunny Southern California----| |----------------------------------------------------------|

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Insult Islam online, go to jail
by Declan McCullagh 12 Dec '00

12 Dec '00

Malaysia Takes Action On Anti-Islam Internet Surfers By Steve Gold, Newsbytes KUALA LUMPUR, MALAYSIA, 12 Dec 2000, 7:48 AM CST Insulting Islam on the Internet in Malaysia could prove costly from now on, as the government has warned that offenders face fines of up to $1,300 and/or three years in prison. This draconian warning came from Abdul Hamid Othman, a minister in the Malaysian Prime Minister's Department Monday, when he said that any Muslim world Internet surfers who insult the Prophet Mohammed and the Koran, the Muslim equivalent of the bible, on the Internet, face dire consequences. The legal action, he said, will be taken under Syariah criminal law - the Law of Mohammed - which all Muslim states adopt. Othman's comments are likely to attract condemnation from Western Internet users and experts, many of whom, say Islamic proponents, do not understand the teachings of the Prophet Mohammed. ...

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matrix coat
by JAMES A MOONEY 12 Dec '00

12 Dec '00

go to trenchco.com

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Re: Re: Questions of size...
by sunder 12 Dec '00

12 Dec '00

Ben Laurie wrote: > > That'd be cool. Does it count as reading in Mr. May's view? > Most of Tim's post do make it to the filtered list. The ones that are complaints to spams, bomb requests, etc. don't. :) -- ----------------------Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--------------------------- + ^ + :Surveillance cameras|Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\ \|/ :aren't security. A |share them, you don't hang them on your/\|/\ <--*-->:camera won't stop a |monitor, or under your keyboard, you \/|\/ /|\ :masked killer, but |don't email them, or put them on a web \|/ + v + :will violate privacy|site, and you must change them very often. --------_sunder_(a)_sunder_._net_------- http://www.sunder.net ------------

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Info..help
by sunil pandith 12 Dec '00

12 Dec '00

Dear Sir, I am an engineering student. I am interested in real time encryption of = voice using a DSP kit and a stream cipher., Kindly send me the link = where the algorithm is available... I am in need of the white paper or similar thing, which is going to = explain me the algoritm clearly, thanking you, sunil ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1

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by Schott, Wayne 12 Dec '00

12 Dec '00

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Re: Questions of size...
by Ben Laurie 12 Dec '00

12 Dec '00

What???? Chambers defines geodesic as "the shortest line on a surface between two points on it" and that is precisely the meaning in general relativity. Saying that it has anything to do with distributed systems is making it up as you go along. And if RAH is now going to claim that's what he meant then he's making it up as he goes along, too (well, we knew that anyway, but redefining geodesic in this way is going too far). Cheers, Ben. "R. A. Hettinga" wrote: > > --- begin forwarded text > > Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 19:04:12 +0200 (EET) > From: Sampo A Syreeni <ssyreeni(a)cc.helsinki.fi> > To: Ray Dillinger <bear(a)sonic.net> > cc: <cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net> > Subject: Re: Questions of size... > Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net > Reply-To: Sampo A Syreeni <ssyreeni(a)cc.helsinki.fi> > > On Fri, 8 Dec 2000, Ray Dillinger wrote: > > >>>(RAH might have called it a geodesic political culture if he hadn't got > >>>this strange Marxist idea that politics is just an emergent property of > >>>economics :-) > > > >Just by the way, how widespread is this use of the word 'geodesic'? > > Not very, I think. It seems it's RAH's specialty. It's quite poetic, > actually. > > >Offhand, I'd refer to many of the things I've seen it used for here > >as 'distributed' or 'fractal'. Is 'geodesic' an accepted term of art > >for a network or protocol in which all the parts work roughly the same > >way? > > Although 'geodesic' does have, through its use in general relativity, some > faint echo of 'operates purely based on local information', I think it's a > misnomer. People should rather use the term 'distributed' literally, as it's > used in computer science. That's the meaning RAH is after, not true? > > Sampo Syreeni <decoy(a)iki.fi>, aka decoy, student/math/Helsinki university > > --- end forwarded text > > -- > ----------------- > R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> > The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> > 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA > "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, > [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to > experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html "There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit." - Robert Woodruff

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Re: Questions of size...
by Somebody 12 Dec '00

12 Dec '00

Bob, The distinction between geometry, topology, and, presumably, homology, begs the question. You, following Huber, have used the word geodesic to refer to connections of minimal cost. In the economic manifold (surface) this is presumably the only important metric (local distance function). The analogy is mathematically precise in all respects, and therefore correct. I'd have flogged you into submission long before this if it were not so. Geodesics, or more properly, geodesic paths, are locally defined. There is not necessarily a geodesic between two specific points. In a differentiable manifold with a sufficiently smooth metric, there are geodesic paths in every direction through every point, however. Whether there is one of those paths going to some other given point is a question of connectivity and other topological issues. Two separate spheres are a single differential manifold. No great circle path -- the geodesics of each surface -- connects any point on one sphere with any point of the other. Unfortunately, geodesics may also be the longest paths between two points. Just go the wrong way on the great circle determined by two ends of the Mass Ave bridge. It's a path of stationary length: slight variations in the path make hardly any difference in its length. Unfortunately its length is maximum rather than minimum. By the way, have I mentioned that I HATE it when I agree with Tim? <Somebody's .sig> ------------------------ From: "R. A. Hettinga" <rah(a)shipwright.com> Subject: Re: Questions of size... Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 19:16:57 -0500 To: Some People, Privately --- begin forwarded text

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