November 2000 - cypherpunks-legacy

CDR: RE: Lawsuit filed <sigh>
by Ernest Hua 08 Nov '00

08 Nov '00

This outrage is dubious at best. After all, the re-election will probably be one of the most closely supervised election in a long time. In any case ... If the people care enough, they can supervise the historically fraudulent election districts. The problem is that most people don't give a hoot what happens if it's not in their back yard and it does not hurt them in an obvious manner. The only interested parties here ARE the Parties. Everyone else will whine a little, and then forget about it next week. Ern -----Original Message----- X-Loop: openpgp.net From: William H. Geiger III [mailto:whgiii@openpgp.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 3:38 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Lawsuit filed <sigh> Well a lawsuit has been filed for a new election to be held in Palm Beach County. Jessy Jackson and the rest of the Carpetbaggers need to get out of our state. An interesting tidbit: Escambia Co., FL 71% of registered voters voted, 20% higher than the country average. :) -- --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.openpgp.net Geiger Consulting Data Security & Cryptology Consulting Programming, Networking, Analysis PGP for OS/2: http://www.openpgp.net/pgp.html E-Secure: http://www.openpgp.net/esecure.html ---------------------------------------------------------------

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FL ballot box missing/found
by Somebody 08 Nov '00

08 Nov '00

Dear Sir: FL polling stations -- at least in my county -- have two boxes with locks. When voting is over, up to a dozen voluntary poll workers lock the used and unused ballots in a small box. They lock it up and two of them must drive the box to a central collection office. Other polling station equipment is left at the polling site -- the vote machines, office supplies, and such are left in the polling place -- be it a school room, the American Legion Hall, or a church site. The office supplies are to be put in a large locked box -- left at the polling place for subsequent pickup by reps of the County Supervisor of Elections. Finding a large, locked box in the polling place is quite natural. It contains no ballots -- only pens, staple machines, posters and such. <Somebody's .sig> --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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FL ballot box missing/found
by Somebody 08 Nov '00

08 Nov '00

Dear Sir: FL polling stations -- at least in my county -- have two boxes with locks. When voting is over, up to a dozen voluntary poll workers lock the used and unused ballots in a small box. They lock it up and two of them must drive the box to a central collection office. Other polling station equipment is left at the polling site -- the vote machines, office supplies, and such are left in the polling place -- be it a school room, the American Legion Hall, or a church site. The office supplies are to be put in a large locked box -- left at the polling place for subsequent pickup by reps of the County Supervisor of Elections. Finding a large, locked box in the polling place is quite natural. It contains no ballots -- only pens, staple machines, posters and such. <Somebody's .sig> --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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[RRE]Florida recount
by Phil Agre 08 Nov '00

08 Nov '00

[Peter Orvetti <http://www.orvetti.com/>, whose site was easily the fastest and most reliable last night, says that a locked ballot box was found in a Democratic region of Florida. Missing ballot boxes are a Florida tradition, and I enclose a piece on the 1988 Senate election that Peter Neumann wrote for SIGSOFT Software Engineering Notes. Reformatted to 70 columns.] =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= This message was forwarded through the Red Rock Eater News Service (RRE). You are welcome to send the message along to others but please do not use the "redirect" option. For information about RRE, including instructions for (un)subscribing, see http://dlis.gseis.ucla.edu/people/pagre/rre.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

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[RRE]Florida recount
by Phil Agre 08 Nov '00

08 Nov '00

[Peter Orvetti <http://www.orvetti.com/>, whose site was easily the fastest and most reliable last night, says that a locked ballot box was found in a Democratic region of Florida. Missing ballot boxes are a Florida tradition, and I enclose a piece on the 1988 Senate election that Peter Neumann wrote for SIGSOFT Software Engineering Notes. Reformatted to 70 columns.] =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= This message was forwarded through the Red Rock Eater News Service (RRE). You are welcome to send the message along to others but please do not use the "redirect" option. For information about RRE, including instructions for (un)subscribing, see http://dlis.gseis.ucla.edu/people/pagre/rre.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

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CDR: Lawsuit filed <sigh>
by William H. Geiger III 08 Nov '00

08 Nov '00

Well a lawsuit has been filed for a new election to be held in Palm Beach County. Jessy Jackson and the rest of the Carpetbaggers need to get out of our state. An interesting tidbit: Escambia Co., FL 71% of registered voters voted, 20% higher than the country average. :) -- --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.openpgp.net Geiger Consulting Data Security & Cryptology Consulting Programming, Networking, Analysis PGP for OS/2: http://www.openpgp.net/pgp.html E-Secure: http://www.openpgp.net/esecure.html ---------------------------------------------------------------

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CDR: Re: A strange election scenario.
by Alan Olsen 08 Nov '00

08 Nov '00

At 11:28 AM 11/8/00 -0500, Trei, Peter wrote: >It looks like Gore has won the popular vote, and >that Florida is more likely to tip to Bush than to >Gore. If this happens, the show is not >necessarily over. > >If Bush wins Florida, and Gore wins Oregon, >the electoral college will stand at Gore 267, >Bush 271. You'd expect that King George >the Second would rule. But.... > >In most states, electoral college >electors are bound by law to cast their >votes in favor of the candidate who won >their state. But not all - in some states >(which ones? I don't know) electors can >legally vote their conscience. A Libertarian >presidential candidate got an electoral vote >a while back in this manner. > >If three of these 'unbound' electors are in states >which went to Bush, and decide to 'follow >the mandate of the national popular vote' >they can flip the election. > >Interesting times..... I am just wondering what they do if it comes down to an actual *tie* in Florida. Personally I would like to see the two candidates fight to the death in a tub of raw sewage with a couple of rusty sporks. (Not that they will do something sensible like that...) The coming gridlock could be the best thing to happen to the country though. --- | Terrorists - The Boogiemen for a new Millennium. | |"The moral PGP Diffie taught Zimmermann unites all| Disclaimer: | | mankind free in one-key-steganography-privacy!" | Ignore the man | | | behind the keyboard.| | http://www.ctrl-alt-del.com/~alan/ |alan(a)ctrl-alt-del.com|

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CDR: Reports of Democrat Fraud on Absentee Ballots.
by William H. Geiger III 08 Nov '00

08 Nov '00

Listening to Luke McCoy on AM 1370 in Pensacola tonight there are reports comming in of absentee ballots that have been intercepted and fraudulently returned. One report from a Escambia Co. resident in Dade Co. had requested an absentee ballot. This ballot was never received and a second one was requested. The election board confirmed that the 1st ballot had not been processed and a second one was sent out. The second one was never received. On further investigation the 1st ballot was received after the 2nd was sent out. The signature did not match that of the voter registration form, and needless to say that the forged ballot was filled out for Gore. Another report of a woman who had an absentee ballot returned in her name from Canada, she claims that she has never been to Canada. Again a Gore ballot. For right now this is all just 4th party hearsay. I'll call the election board in the morning and see if I can get some confirmation. Things may get ugly down here before it's all over... -- --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.openpgp.net Geiger Consulting Data Security & Cryptology Consulting Programming, Networking, Analysis PGP for OS/2: http://www.openpgp.net/pgp.html E-Secure: http://www.openpgp.net/esecure.html ---------------------------------------------------------------

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CDR: FL ballot box missing/found
by R. A. Hettinga 08 Nov '00

08 Nov '00

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CDR: A strange election scenario.
by Trei, Peter 08 Nov '00

08 Nov '00

It looks like Gore has won the popular vote, and that Florida is more likely to tip to Bush than to Gore. If this happens, the show is not necessarily over. If Bush wins Florida, and Gore wins Oregon, the electoral college will stand at Gore 267, Bush 271. You'd expect that King George the Second would rule. But.... In most states, electoral college electors are bound by law to cast their votes in favor of the candidate who won their state. But not all - in some states (which ones? I don't know) electors can legally vote their conscience. A Libertarian presidential candidate got an electoral vote a while back in this manner. If three of these 'unbound' electors are in states which went to Bush, and decide to 'follow the mandate of the national popular vote' they can flip the election. Interesting times..... Peter Trei

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