November 2000 - cypherpunks-legacy

CDR: A successful lawsuit means Gore wins!
by George＠Orwellian.Org 09 Nov '00

09 Nov '00

The lawsuit has until January to succeed. The invalid ballot... Listed second: Gore/Lieberman. Second hole punch votes for: Buchanun. Image of invalid ballot: http://www.gopbi.com/news/local/ballot.html http://cnews.tribune.com/news/image/0,1119,oso-nation-82373,00.html The ballot layout was illegal and resulted in a statistically verifiable set of erroneous votes for Bucanun. This is particularly galling to the voting victims, since many are Jewish. See: In article <avram-0811001934590001(a)manhattan.crossover.com>, Avram Grumer wrote: > >This _NY Times_ article has a little more detail: >http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/politics/AP-ELN-Florida-Ballot-Confusion.ht… > >: Florida law specifies that voters mark an X in the blank space >: to the right of the name of the candidate they want to vote for. >: >: Jeff Liggio, a lawyer for county Democrats, called the ballot >: illegal. "Right means right, doesn't it? The state law says right. >: It doesn't mean left," he said.

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CDR: RE: A very brief politcal rant
by Ernest Hua 09 Nov '00

09 Nov '00

Tim, I most certainly am not recanting, and you know it. (Well, perhaps you don't, but I would think better of you despite your negativity.) If you read the part I did think carefully about, you would know exactly what I was referring to. But feel free to spit out 90% venom, and 10% substance. It's clearly your style. Ern -----Original Message----- X-Loop: openpgp.net From: Tim May [mailto:tcmay@got.net] Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 2:05 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: A very brief politcal rant At 4:30 PM -0500 11/9/00, Ernest Hua wrote: > > From: Jim Burnes [jburnes(a)savvis.net] > > > Bait and switch is probably not the right term. Let >> me think of a better term. How about fraud. >> Promising voters special favors if he is elected. >> But thats the Hatch Act violation and I digress. > >Hmm ... I'm thinking on an empty stomach (no lunch >yet), so I am not quite sure, but my gut feeling (no >pun intended) is that you have a point ... You seem to do this a lot: shoot from the hip with some flaky and ill-presented ideas and then concede that others have raised points you haven't thought about. While none of us expects others to share all or even most of our views, a certain minimum of knowledge in how government works is expected. Please go find some high school-level textbooks on our federal republic system, on the electoral college, and on basic issues about why changing voting hours at the last minute, changing the voting rules, and allowing "do overs" are just not permissable. Get some education. --Tim May -- ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, "Cyphernomicon" | black markets, collapse of governments.

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CDR: RE: A very brief politcal rant
by Tim May 09 Nov '00

09 Nov '00

At 4:30 PM -0500 11/9/00, Ernest Hua wrote: > > From: Jim Burnes [jburnes(a)savvis.net] > > > Bait and switch is probably not the right term. Let >> me think of a better term. How about fraud. >> Promising voters special favors if he is elected. >> But thats the Hatch Act violation and I digress. > >Hmm ... I'm thinking on an empty stomach (no lunch >yet), so I am not quite sure, but my gut feeling (no >pun intended) is that you have a point ... You seem to do this a lot: shoot from the hip with some flaky and ill-presented ideas and then concede that others have raised points you haven't thought about. While none of us expects others to share all or even most of our views, a certain minimum of knowledge in how government works is expected. Please go find some high school-level textbooks on our federal republic system, on the electoral college, and on basic issues about why changing voting hours at the last minute, changing the voting rules, and allowing "do overs" are just not permissable. Get some education. --Tim May -- ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, "Cyphernomicon" | black markets, collapse of governments.

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CDR: Life imitates Art
by Bill O'Hanlon 09 Nov '00

09 Nov '00

The current situation reminds me of the movie RoboCop. There's a scene where a city bureaucrat is holding a bunch of city employees hostage after he lost the election. He might be the mayor -- I don't remember for sure. He's shouting his demands to the cops outside the city building. The relevant line from the movie is something like , "I demand a RECOUNT! And regardless of how the recount turns out, I WANT MY OLD JOB BACK!" -Bill -- Bill O'Hanlon wmo(a)pro-ns.net Professional Network Services, Inc. 612-379-3958

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CDR: O Natal Chegou à Giganetstore.com
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09 Nov '00

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CDR: RE: A very brief politcal rant
by Ernest Hua 09 Nov '00

09 Nov '00

> From: Jim Burnes [jburnes(a)savvis.net] > Bait and switch is probably not the right term. Let > me think of a better term. How about fraud. > Promising voters special favors if he is elected. > But thats the Hatch Act violation and I digress. Hmm ... I'm thinking on an empty stomach (no lunch yet), so I am not quite sure, but my gut feeling (no pun intended) is that you have a point ... > > Please note that it is not clear yet whether this > > particular corner case of the law is well-defined. > > The courts will decide that. The courts may very > > well be required to void this appointment for some > > important Constitutional reason. > > Who knows? > I would say, 'case law be damned'. A guy who doesn't > exist can't take office. If he doesn't take office, > he can't be replaced. I can sympathize with that viewpoint, but I assert that it is just one viewpoint among many legitimate ones. I do not believe this was actually written into the law, but if someone proves conclusively to the courts that the intent was already in the law, I have no problems with that. > You are assuming that the bulk > of the people who voted for Carnahan actually voted > for anyone who is a Democrat -- and that might well > be so. Um ... actually no. I assert that the bulk of the people voted for his wife, because they were assured that she would take the seat. If someone else was appointed instead of her, I would say that there was bait and switch, and no matter how popular that person might be (perhaps even more popular than she was in the election), this change would fraud for sure. > But I doubt the Federal Election Commision will think > much of a ballot where 'you vote Democratic -- we'll > fill in the blank' is a legitimate vote. I agree with your statement here except that I did not make that specific claim of the generic vote for Democrats. Ern

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CDR: One question about pgp-integration
by Eduardo Alencastro Maciel 09 Nov '00

09 Nov '00

I've read the pgp-integration man page, and tried to implement the sample codes using the system calls. The encryption example was ok, but the decryption sample code I wasn't able to make it work well. Whenever I ran the program I got a core file, when the program try to open the second stream to stdout or stdin. I don't know if you have a tip for me. thanks eduardo _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

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CDR: RE: Reporting weirdness: Hagelin vs. Browne
by Trei, Peter 09 Nov '00

09 Nov '00

> ---------- > From: > obfuscation@beta.freedom.net[SMTP:obfuscation@beta.freedom.net] > Reply To: obfuscation(a)beta.freedom.net > Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 3:43 PM > To: cypherpunks(a)algebra.com > Subject: Re: Reporting weirdness: Hagelin vs. Browne > > TCMay writes: > > On CNN I watched the election results coming in. They always listed > > four candidates: Bush, Gore, Nader, and Hagelin. The usual format was > > Bush/Gore on the "crawl" at the bottom of the screen and then a > > second page with the crawl having Nader/Hagelin. > > In fact, Browne did better than Buchanan in Florida, and for that > matter Phillips did better than Hagelin. I too noticed CNN's bizarre > focus on Hagelin over the much higher polling Browne and Phillips. > Perhaps Hagelin acquired an aura of respectability at their editorial > desk due to his fight with Buchanan for the Reform nomination. > > Buchanan beat Browne nationwide but Browne won in a number of states, > including Florida. However Browne's vote total ended up being lower > than in 1996. > > Ob > Watching in Massachusetts, I was actually rather impressed at the level which the major media were reporting the minor candidates. Unlike previous years, where it sometimes took days for me to find out how Libertarian candidates did, this year they were reported live along with the others. In Ma, Carla Howell got about 12% in her Senate run, just a little behind the Republican candidate (the rest went to Kennedy). In fact, Libertarian candidates where getting 10-15% of the vote quite consistantly in local races. Peter Trei

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CDR: Re: Reporting weirdness: Hagelin vs. Browne
by obfuscation＠beta.freedom.net 09 Nov '00

09 Nov '00

TCMay writes: > On CNN I watched the election results coming in. They always listed > four candidates: Bush, Gore, Nader, and Hagelin. The usual format was > Bush/Gore on the "crawl" at the bottom of the screen and then a > second page with the crawl having Nader/Hagelin. In fact, Browne did better than Buchanan in Florida, and for that matter Phillips did better than Hagelin. I too noticed CNN's bizarre focus on Hagelin over the much higher polling Browne and Phillips. Perhaps Hagelin acquired an aura of respectability at their editorial desk due to his fight with Buchanan for the Reform nomination. Buchanan beat Browne nationwide but Browne won in a number of states, including Florida. However Browne's vote total ended up being lower than in 1996. Ob

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Intercepting e-mail eyed by Ottawa
by M Taylor 09 Nov '00

09 Nov '00

Intercepting e-mail eyed by Ottawa Privacy issue: Spy agency weighs secrecy against cyber attacks <http://www.nationalpost.com/home/story.html?f=/stories/20001016/430467.html> National Post, October 16, 2000, Jim Bronskill BEGIN QUOTE Federal officials are wrestling with the privacy implications of intercepting e-mail messages during attempts to zero in on computer viruses. A newly declassified report by Canada's electronic spy agency indicates the issue is among the thorny legal questions that need to be clarified before going ahead with a planned national centre to protect vital information networks. The Communications Security Establishment report, obtained under the Access to Information Act, stresses the need for policy guidance to help the proposed information protection co-ordination centre investigate viruses and cyber attacks. "The interception of e-mail messages may be required when tracking down viruses since most viruses are distributed through the e-mail system," says the CSE report, prepared in April. "This may be seen as an invasion of privacy but in some cases it may be necessary in order to ensure network security." It notes that existing case law deals with similar scenarios but the results are "still subject to interpretation." ... END QUOTE rest of text: <http://www.nationalpost.com/home/story.html?f=/stories/20001016/430467.html> It is not very clear what the CSE et all have in mind, perhaps a CALEA[1] like wiretapping party house or Carnivore [2]. -M Taylor [1] Communications Assistance to Law Enforcement Act (U.S. Gov't) <http://www.eff.org/pub/Privacy/CALEA/> [2] http://www.epic.org/privacy/carnivore/ --- end forwarded text -- "...as we transfer our whole being to the data bank, privacy will become a ghost or echo of its former self and what remains of community will disappear"...Marshal McLuhan -- Robert Guerra <rguerra(a)yahoo.com>, Fax: +1(303) 484-0302 WWW Page <http://pgp.greatvideo.com>, ICQ # 10266626 PGPKeys <http://pgp.greatvideo.com/keys/rguerra/>

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