November 2000 - cypherpunks-legacy

CDR: Florida situation keeps changing...
by George＠Orwellian.Org 15 Nov '00

15 Nov '00

Let's see... A lawyer for Bush held a street corner news conference saying he's caught one of the Palm Beach County election officials dropping some questionable ballots into Gore's pile. Both the lawyer and the official share the name Carol, I think. The Florida Secy of State, (Bush FL co-campaign manager, $6.5 millionare, spent $100,000 of the state's money on trips to Brazil and such, made a get-out-the-vote ad with taxpayer money featuring Schwartzkopf), has filed with the FL Supreme Court to consolidate all possible lawsuits and asks that the counties be told to stop recounts. Basically, to take over decisions. Odd, given that they're heavily Democratic. (appointed, at least) I guess Bush plans on going to the U.S. Supreme Court. Palm Beach County election officials haven't started a recount. They are discussing changing the "chad" rules so that even an indentation (without a corner of the chad detached) can be ruled as a choice. Apparently there were a significant number of party-line votes for every (one party) office except for president, and many were indented for president. Hey, maybe the card was stiff there. Someone had statistics showing few people vote for every office but president. I still can't imagine using these sort of cards at all, since I remember as an operator I would riffle Hollerith cards a few times before putting them in the hopper, to avoid jams. I wonder if there's an official procedure for the operator to riffle in consideration of the detachable chads. And, oh yeah, the U.S.P.S. announced they've sped up delivery of any absentee ballots.

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CDR: RE: Florida Electoral defection threat!
by George＠Orwellian.Org 15 Nov '00

15 Nov '00

"Trei, Peter" <ptrei(a)rsasecurity.com> wrote: # # It would take at least two faithless electors to # swing the election to Gore. One would make it # a dead heat, and send the decision to Congress. Ping pong, ping pong. Isn't a switch of one vote a difference of two in the total? Wait, that's wrong. As long as the majority of the electoral college votes, the winner is the one with the majority of that. 270 would still be a winner for Bush. Are the rest of the states lining up for a 270-270 tie???

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CDR: RE: Florida Electorial defection threat!
by Trei, Peter 15 Nov '00

15 Nov '00

If you go back to the thread I started last week 'A strange election scenario', you'll find that I raised this possibility the day after the election. It would take at least two faithless electors to swing the election to Gore. One would make it a dead heat, and send the decision to Congress. [It's been pointed out that Bush's lead in Florida is less than the margin of error of the various counting methods. For all rational purposes, the election there is a tie. But elections are not a rational process, and must arrive at single anointed winner. A coin flip would be as fair as the various machinations underway.] Peter > ---------- > From: George@Orwellian.Org[SMTP:George@Orwellian.Org] > Reply To: George(a)Orwellian.Org > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 4:12 AM > To: cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net > Subject: Florida Electorial defection threat! > > A Florida Electoral delegate for Dubya, (an unknown > number of electoral votes), is threatening to vote > for Gore. Apparently she is free to do so. > > Her name is approximately Berta Morajelo, sounded > Spanish or Cuban. Reported on MSNBC TV, who's WWW > sucks rotten toads, so I don't visit it anymore. >

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CDR: Felon Received 83 Drivers' Licenses from Cal DMV
by R. A. Hettinga 15 Nov '00

15 Nov '00

http://www.sacbee.com/news/calreport/calrep_story.cgi?N256.HTML -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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CDR: KONLIN Letter Sets $4 - $5 Target On NU ELECTRIC (NRGE) 25404
by marketing22＠uole.com 15 Nov '00

15 Nov '00

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CDR: Mayhem 2000: Pro-Bush Rebels Seize Power in West, DC in Flames
by George＠Orwellian.Org 15 Nov '00

15 Nov '00

Heh-heh-heh: don't miss http://www.theonion.com/ during this fun time. NBS News reverses earlier report of Gore's death Florida recount reveals Nader defeated Serbia deploys peacekeeping forces to the U.S. Bush executes 253 New Mexico democrats Strom Thurmond Begins Preparing Cabinet Clinton declares self president for life ---- BTW, the mystery of how Bush poo-pooed the call for Gore was just reported on, on NBC TV. A cousin of Bush was the head of one of FoxNewsChannel's polling results desk, and was constantly on the phone with Jeb and Dubya. After that, Bush new before any networks announced it that Florida was going to be [network] called for Bush. I think someone said FoxNewsChannel called it first. ---- Seen elsewhere in Usenet... NOTICE OF REVOCATION OF INDEPENDENCE To the citizens of the United States of America, In the light of your failure to elect a President of the USA and thus to govern yourselves, we hereby give notice of the revocation of your independence, effective today. Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II will resume monarchical duties over all states, commonwealths and other territories. Except Utah, which she does not fancy. Your new prime minister (The rt. hon. Tony Blair, MP for the 97.85% of you who have until now been unaware that there is a world outside your borders) will appoint a minister for America without the need for further elections. Congress and the Senate will be disbanded. A questionnaire will be circulated next year to determine whether any of you noticed. To aid in the transition to a British Crown Dependency, the following rules are introduced with immediate effect: 1. You should look up "revocation" in the Oxford English Dictionary. Then look up "aluminium". Check the pronunciation guide. You will be amazed at just how wrongly you have been pronouncing it. Generally, you should raise your vocabulary to acceptable levels. Look up "vocabulary". Using the same twenty seven words interspersed with filler noises such as "like" and "you know" is an unacceptable and inefficient form of communication. Look up "interspersed". 2. There is no such thing as "US English". We will let Microsoft know on your behalf. 3. You should learn to distinguish the English and Australian accents. It really isn't that hard. 4. Hollywood will be required occasionally to cast English actors as the good guys. 5. You should relearn your original national anthem, "God Save The Queen", but only after fully carrying out task 1. We would not want you to get confused and give up half way through. 6. You should stop playing American "football". There is only one kind of football. What you refer to as American "football" is not a very good game. The 2.15% of you who are aware that there is a world outside your borders may have noticed that no one else plays "American" football. You will no longer be allowed to play it, and should instead play proper football. Initially, it would be best if you played with the girls. It is a difficult game. Those of you brave enough will, in time, be allowed to play rugby (which is similar to American "football", but does not involve stopping for a rest every twenty seconds or wearing full kevlar body armour like nancies). We are hoping to get together at least a US rugby sevens side by 2005. 7. You should declare war on Quebec and France, using nuclear weapons if they give you any merde. The 98.85% of you who were not aware that there is a world outside your borders should count yourselves lucky. The Russians have never been the bad guys. "Merde" is French for "sh*t". 8. July 4th is no longer a public holiday. November 8th will be a new national holiday, but only in England. It will be called "Indecisive Day". 9. All American cars are hereby banned. They are crap and it is for your own good. When we show you German cars, you will understand what we mean. 10. Please tell us who killed JFK. It's been driving us crazy. Thank you for your cooperation.

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CDR: Re: A secure voting protocol
by Peter Capelli/Raleigh/Contr/IBM 15 Nov '00

15 Nov '00

>Also, the day-to-day business of running the government (The Commerce >Department today announced a comprehensive new study of blah...) will >happen no matter how controversial the election process is. > >-Declan Well, thank God for that! We wouldn't want the inner workings of a republic (such as a study to determine other uses for asparagus) to stop due to a minor dispute about the presidency, would we? -p "Those who would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin, 1759

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CDR: Earth (was ip: Soldiers test `Digital MP System')
by R. A. Hettinga 15 Nov '00

15 Nov '00

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CDR: Boost Your Windows Reliability!!
by info＠rniureo17.com 15 Nov '00

15 Nov '00

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CDR: Re: A secure voting protocol
by Trei, Peter 15 Nov '00

15 Nov '00

> From: Anonymous[SMTP:nobody@remailer.privacy.at] > Peter Trei wrote: > > > I can state from personal experience that Silver Nitrate solution will > > produce stains on skin which gradually blacken in the light, and > > don't come off till your skin wears off. > > But what happens when it is applied to Lakeesha Aswamba's finger? Would > the staining be visible? > I'll ignore the possibility that there is a racist implication behind this.... Who said it had to be black, or be Silver Nitrate? The example I saw used a purple dye. If you actually knew any blacks (I'm using that word instead of the currently PC 'African-American' because it's skin color that's under discussion, and the discussion applies to people outside the US as well), you'd know that the palmar side of the hand and fingers are much lighter than the back. Also, if you want to get high tech, use a fluorescent dye mixed with DMSO. It'll penetrate deep into the skin, and be visible under UV (no cosmetic objections). I suspect it'd take weeks to wear off. Sometimes crypto is not the best solution. The various 'Internet voting at home' schemes bug the hell out of me. Peter

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