November 2000 - cypherpunks-legacy

CDR: RE: Florida Electoral defection threat!
by Declan McCullagh 15 Nov '00

15 Nov '00

Whoops. You're right: I meant to type "Oregon." If it went to the House, it would be a ~25-19 vote for Bush, per my Wired article on Sat. --Declan At 12:45 11/15/2000 -0500, Trei, Peter wrote: >You're correct on the 271, but I'm *sure* you didn't mean to >type 'Utah'. > >Ok, two faithless electors would throw it to the house, and >three would make it Gore, as I said on the 8th. > >Peter > > > ---------- > > From: Declan McCullagh[SMTP:declan@well.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 12:37 PM > > To: Trei, Peter > > Cc: cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net; 'George(a)orwellian.org' > > Subject: Re: Florida Electoral defection threat! > > > > No, if Bush won Florida but not Utah, he'd have > > 246+25=271, not 270 e.v. > > > > If one elector defected, Bush would win, if two electors defected, > > Bush would win (in House), if three electors defected, Gore would win. > > > > -Declan > > > > On Wed, Nov 15, 2000 at 11:16:38AM -0500, Trei, Peter wrote: > > > Do the numbers: > > > > > > The electoral college standings are currently: > > > > > > Bush: 246 > > > Gore: 255 > > > > > > Undecided states: > > > Florida 25 > > > New Mexico 5 > > > Oregon 7 > > > > > > Total 538 > > > > > > If Bush gets Florida, but not OR & NM, he gets 270 votes, > > > and Gore gets 268. > > > > > > One Bush elector defecting puts both at 269, a dead heat. > > > > > > Peter Trei > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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CDR: RE: Florida Electoral defection threat!
by Trei, Peter 15 Nov '00

15 Nov '00

> George@orwellian.org[SMTP:George@orwellian.org] wrote: > > "Trei, Peter" <ptrei(a)rsasecurity.com> wrote: > # > # It would take at least two faithless electors to > # swing the election to Gore. One would make it > # a dead heat, and send the decision to Congress. > > Ping pong, ping pong. > > Isn't a switch of one vote a difference of two in the total? > > Wait, that's wrong. > > As long as the majority of the electoral college > votes, the winner is the one with the majority of > that. 270 would still be a winner for Bush. > > Are the rest of the states lining up for a 270-270 tie??? > -------------------- Do the numbers: The electoral college standings are currently: Bush: 246 Gore: 255 Undecided states: Florida 25 New Mexico 5 Oregon 7 Total 538 If Bush gets Florida, but not OR & NM, he gets 270 votes, and Gore gets 268. One Bush elector defecting puts both at 269, a dead heat. Peter Trei

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CDR: RE: Florida Electoral defection threat!
by Trei, Peter 15 Nov '00

15 Nov '00

You're correct on the 271, but I'm *sure* you didn't mean to type 'Utah'. Ok, two faithless electors would throw it to the house, and three would make it Gore, as I said on the 8th. Peter > ---------- > From: Declan McCullagh[SMTP:declan@well.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 12:37 PM > To: Trei, Peter > Cc: cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net; 'George(a)orwellian.org' > Subject: Re: Florida Electoral defection threat! > > No, if Bush won Florida but not Utah, he'd have > 246+25=271, not 270 e.v. > > If one elector defected, Bush would win, if two electors defected, > Bush would win (in House), if three electors defected, Gore would win. > > -Declan > > On Wed, Nov 15, 2000 at 11:16:38AM -0500, Trei, Peter wrote: > > Do the numbers: > > > > The electoral college standings are currently: > > > > Bush: 246 > > Gore: 255 > > > > Undecided states: > > Florida 25 > > New Mexico 5 > > Oregon 7 > > > > Total 538 > > > > If Bush gets Florida, but not OR & NM, he gets 270 votes, > > and Gore gets 268. > > > > One Bush elector defecting puts both at 269, a dead heat. > > > > Peter Trei > > > > > > > > >

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CDR: micro-ecash, stored value, EDA tool licensing
by R. A. Hettinga 15 Nov '00

15 Nov '00

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CDR: Florida Electorial defection threat!
by George＠Orwellian.Org 15 Nov '00

15 Nov '00

A Florida Electoral delegate for Dubya, (an unknown number of electoral votes), is threatening to vote for Gore. Apparently she is free to do so. Her name is approximately Berta Morajelo, sounded Spanish or Cuban. Reported on MSNBC TV, who's WWW sucks rotten toads, so I don't visit it anymore.

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CDR: Secure your E-mail with your Trial Digital ID
by VeriSign Customer Support Department 15 Nov '00

15 Nov '00

Dear VeriSign Digital ID Holder: Thank you for obtaining a 60-Day Trial Digital ID from VeriSign! With the recent introduction of secure e-mail capabilities in Netscape's Messenger (the e-mail application in Communicator) and several other popular e-mail packages, your Digital ID provides you with the ability to digitally encrypt and sign your messages to ensure security over the Internet. To learn more about using your Digital ID to secure your e-mail messages, please visit our Secure E-Mail Reference Guide at http://www.verisign.com/securemail/guide. This guide gives simple, step-by-step instructions on how to get started. Thanks again for choosing VeriSign! We look forward to serving your future electronic commerce and communications needs. VeriSign Customer Support Dept. ID-support(a)verisign.com

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CDR: Secure your E-mail with your Trial Digital ID
by VeriSign Customer Support Department 15 Nov '00

15 Nov '00

Dear VeriSign Digital ID Holder: Thank you for obtaining a 60-Day Trial Digital ID from VeriSign! With the recent introduction of secure e-mail capabilities in Netscape's Messenger (the e-mail application in Communicator) and several other popular e-mail packages, your Digital ID provides you with the ability to digitally encrypt and sign your messages to ensure security over the Internet. To learn more about using your Digital ID to secure your e-mail messages, please visit our Secure E-Mail Reference Guide at http://www.verisign.com/securemail/guide. This guide gives simple, step-by-step instructions on how to get started. Thanks again for choosing VeriSign! We look forward to serving your future electronic commerce and communications needs. VeriSign Customer Support Dept. ID-support(a)verisign.com

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CDR: Enhanced Taxpatriate's Page
by Duncan Frissell 15 Nov '00

15 Nov '00

The original Official Taxpatriates Page just keeps getting better. I've cleaned up some of the text and added a JFile database of Taxpatriates for those who use JFile on Palm devices. Here it is: http://www.frissell.com/taxpat/taxpats.pdb As always, the Official Taxpatriates Page can be found at: http://www.frissell.com/taxpat/taxpats.html For those who track such things, 3008 names have appeared on the "List of Shame" since its debut in the 4th quarter of 1996. DCF ---- Nine U.S. states have no general tax on wages and salaries: Alaska, Florida, Nevada, New Hampshire, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Washington, and Wyoming

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CDR: CBS De-Legitimizes the Florida Absentees
by R. A. Hettinga 15 Nov '00

15 Nov '00

I just heard a CBS "Eye-on-America" spot doing an indignant "who *are* these absentee voters, anyway" take. We've been always at war with Oceania. Cheers, RAH -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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CDR: micro-ecash, stored value, EDA tool licensing
by David Honig 15 Nov '00

15 Nov '00

There's an article in EETimes 6 Nov 2000 p 160 about EDA providers who let you download tools, then pay for them by the hour. This differs from ASPs who run the apps on their machines (thereby exposing your secret designs). The interesting thing is that many tools run $5/hour, (e.g., for a $10K-$25K per seat app) and are billable in .01 second quanta. That's about a tenth of a penny. The license-server is filled with stored value (e.g., from a credit card, they'd probably take more anonymous transfers) and can run for a while without talking to the server. Interesting bizmodel and good example of crypto enabling commerce. [Though not really privacy ---you're still trusting the tool provider not to have hacked the tools to send your designs home..] "e*ECAD" is the company FWIW. No affiliation.

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