October 2000 - cypherpunks-legacy

CDR: Here is the queen for you, only for MIKE, not looking crazy.html (1/1)
by no＠aol.com 22 Oct '00

22 Oct '00

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CDR: why should it be trusted?
by matthew gream 22 Oct '00

22 Oct '00

Your email is very cynical, perhaps too cynical for reality - but we need cynics to keep reality in check. > I don't know much about crypto politics, but... isn't it utterly >obvious that the mere fact that the NSA suggest a certain algorithm (say >Rijndael) for a national standard and recomends its use internationally >imply that they have a pretty darn good idea (if not actual technology) >on how to break it efficiently? I just don't see why else they would >advocate its use. The NSA exists in part as a national authority on computer and communications security, and therefore should recommended an algorithm for use as a means to protect its citizens and countries national security. By recommending its use "internationally", I assume that the fine print is that they recommend it for use by US nationals in an international environment, not to international users (a subtle but useful distinction, the NSA is a domestic agency, I don't think it attempts to speak for the world yet). Ideally, the NSA should be able to break this algorithm when no one else in the world can, as this would give it an advantage in its signals intelligence activities - supposedly these are activites used "in the national interest", for the benefit of citizens and society as a whole - commerce, etc. Well, society is no utopia and there are many other interests (relationships with policy in washington, etc), but you know what I mean. >After all isn't the fact that NSA could break DES since the 70's the reason >for the 'success' of DES? Complicated answer. By 'approving' DES, then medium security grade products procured by the government would presumably have had to have DES and ANSI conformance before they would be bought by the government. This at least then made DES a commercial choice for government use and something that industry had experience with because there is virtually no other choice, and thence also for financial institutions, and thence eventually more and more into the public arena as the need for information security products became more prevalent. Also, there were few alternatives to DES, and in fact during the 1970s and 1980s, significant academic activity was put into fiestal network research, S-box research, cipher modes of operation, cryptoanalytic attacks (differential cryptanalysis, for instance). From this, new symmetric algorithms, sometimes based on similar design principles to DES, or new principles investigated as an alternative, were created. You must remember that a large proportion of DES use in commercial products is outside the scope of technological paranoics (that is not entirely fair, there are many objective technologists) and in the scope of money men and corporate standards conformance and spread sheets - these people are more than happy with a NSA/NIST approved solution. What you see in the AES candidates are the fruits of decades of research and activity partially thanks to DES, but also a result of the age we live in (in the same way that "people knew the internet was coming, but they didn't know that it would be the internet", you could say that symmetric, assymetric ciphers were going to happen, they just happened to be DES and RSA to start with, the ball has to start somewhere, and it turned out that DES was a pretty good choice thanks to the skill of Coppersmith and associates at IBM). Whether the NSA could break DES is up for debate, and may be known in the future perhaps - what is known now is that the advance of technology has made DES an uneconomically feasible solution for medium to high grade risk situations. As a result of the AES selection, you must also remember that now there are 5 highly valued symmetric algorithms created by world class cryptographers, and 1 exceptional algorithm. While the AES may be recommended, they are now alternatives and additional algorithms that could be used for those desiring increased security (i.e. as wrappers for the AES, or alternatives to the AES, or whatever). What you will see in the coming years is a focus on analysing the strengths and weaknesses of the AES - hopefully this will only further prove that it is a good candidate. Also, in the same way that 3DES and Ritter style DES networks were seen as advantageous modes of operation, perhaps additional AES modes of operation will add a further layer of security that may allay some concerns about whether the NSA can break the algorithm. That's my rough answer, no doubt a few people could iron out my bumps. Best regards, Matthew Gream Year 2000 Grand Tour Madrid, Spain (enraptured by Goya and his use of diagonal line) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

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CDR: Test - no reply
by Jim Choate 22 Oct '00

22 Oct '00

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CDR: message
by Gary Bogart 22 Oct '00

22 Oct '00

:: Anon post to news.cableinet.co.uk.alt.test -------------------------------------------------------------- * help *

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H-WEB: G Radnitzky on Hayek & libertarianism
by List Host 22 Oct '00

22 Oct '00

>> Hayek On The Web << -- Hayek / "Libertarianism" Gerard Radnitzky, "Hayek on the role of the state: A radical libertarian critique", on the web at: http://www.cis.org.au/Policy/autumn00/Aut00-3.pdf Gerard Radnitzky, "Hayek on the role of the state: A radical libertarian critique". _Policy. 2000. (Autumn). "Hayek On The Web" is a regular feature of the Hayek-L list. Hayek-L Home Page: http://www.hayekcenter.org/hayek-l/hayek-l.html Scholars Bookstore: http://www.hayekcenter.org/bookstore/scholars_books.html Hayek Scholars Page: http://www.hayekcenter.org/friedrichhayek/hayek.html --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "Externalities are the last refuge of the derigistes." -- Friedrich Hayek

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H-WEB: G Radnitzky on Hayek & libertarianism
by List Host 22 Oct '00

22 Oct '00

>> Hayek On The Web << -- Hayek / "Libertarianism" Gerard Radnitzky, "Hayek on the role of the state: A radical libertarian critique", on the web at: http://www.cis.org.au/Policy/autumn00/Aut00-3.pdf Gerard Radnitzky, "Hayek on the role of the state: A radical libertarian critique". _Policy. 2000. (Autumn). "Hayek On The Web" is a regular feature of the Hayek-L list. Hayek-L Home Page: http://www.hayekcenter.org/hayek-l/hayek-l.html Scholars Bookstore: http://www.hayekcenter.org/bookstore/scholars_books.html Hayek Scholars Page: http://www.hayekcenter.org/friedrichhayek/hayek.html --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "Externalities are the last refuge of the derigistes." -- Friedrich Hayek

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CDR: ��
by escompx＠mail.ru 22 Oct '00

22 Oct '00

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CDR: Re: Insurance (was: why should it be trusted?)
by Anonymous 22 Oct '00

22 Oct '00

> 1. It sounds like to me that there is no room for human compassion in > crypto-anarchy. > (Seems like we will all end up sitting in our "compounds" armed to the > teeth and if anybody comes along we either blow'em to bits or pay them > anonymous digital cash > to go away). Crypto-anarchy is in fact not really anarchy, since it only addresses some kinds of authority, ie government, and only in certain situations. True anarchy involves the dissolution of other hierarchical relationships, including those that spring from private property. Get rid of private property and many of these problems disappear. > How does crypto-anarchy/libertarian/anarchy propose to deal with the > "tragedy of the commons" where by doing what is best for each persons own > interests they end up screwing it up for everyone (Overgrazing land with to > many cattle is the example I've been given). The "prisoner's dilemma" is > another example. I believe that the standard argument is "Eliminate the commons." (by auctioning off to the highest bidder perhaps)

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CDR: sieving the gene pool -not just Iceland
by David Honig 22 Oct '00

22 Oct '00

Estonia plans to raise between 1e8 and 1.5e8 dollars for a project to begin next year, to "compile DNA profiles and health information on75%ofthe country's 1.4 million citizens" ... "by contrast, [to Iceland's anonymity] the data and DNA samples in the Estonian project will be identifiable through a coded system." The project will keep samples too; citizens can opt out and samples will be destroyed. _Science v 290 6 Oct 2000 p 31 "Estonia prepares for national DNA database" (And I realize this still doesn't make Estonia part of Scandanavia.. :-)

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CDR: Re: LDRider: Forwarded from the ST1100 list at the sender's request
by petro 22 Oct '00

22 Oct '00

>From: "The Truth" <tbr_truth(a)lycos.com> >Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 12:54:05 -0400 >Subject: ST1100: John Korb and Two Brothers Racing > > The late John Korb had learned how Two Brothers Racing has alledgedly >stolen the ST1100 accessory designs of Ron Major, and continues to this day >to represent and sell these items as their own, with no attribution to Ron >Major, nor pay any royalties whatsoever to his surviving daughter. > >John wanted Two Brothers Racing to explain the nature of the Ron Major >luggage rack they had sold him. The letter in the web site below is TBR's >response, signed by Craig Erion. > >John was a member of the Long Distance Rider's email list. If one of you >would please forward this post to LDRiders, I am sure John would appreciate >it. > >The letter speaks for itself, especially the last sentence. You may draw >your own conclusions about TBR. > > http://www.angelfire.com/rnb/tbr/ Ok, so Mr. Majors invents this *really* nifty thing, then dies. TBR starts marketing it. Korb learns about it, and then gets killed. I smell a conspiracy... -- A quote from Petro's Archives: ********************************************** "We forbid any course that says we restrict free speech." --Dr. Kathleen Dixon, Director of Women s Studies, Bowling Green State University

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