October 2000 - cypherpunks-legacy

CDR: Dealing with Spam from Esther Dyson
by Tim May 28 Oct '00

28 Oct '00

So, Esther Dyson, whom I have never corresponded with, is spamming me with this crap. Any suggestions from Cypherpunks on how to deal with this nuisance? I'm not sure she needs killing, despite her criminal acts with ICANN, but other suggestions are welcome. --Tim May At 10:55 AM -0400 10/27/00, Esther Dyson wrote: >Dear Tim May, > >Intellectual Property on the Net (12/94), the implications of the >Web on privacy in Labels and Disclosure, Part II: Privacy (2/97), >The Open-Source Revolution (11/98), broadband open access in The >Architecture of Internet 2.0 (2-99), new content models in The Web >Goes into Syndication (7-8/99), peer-to-peer networking in Data >Soup: The Client is the Server (4/00). If you were reading Release >1.0, you would have read about these topics early. > >That's the mission of Release 1.0, the monthly newsletter I produce >with editor Kevin Werbach. We take pleasure not just in filtering >the huge amount of news, announcements and products and services >that this market produces, but in figuring out what emerging trends >mean for you before your competitors do. > >Subscribe online today at ><http://www.release1-0.com>www.Release1-0.com and join the other >industry leaders who stay ahead of the curve with an annual >subscription to Release 1.0. For only $795 you will get: > >* 11 monthly issues, >* a Release 1.0 binder in which to file them, >* the PC Forum 2000 transcript (a $300 value), and >* a FREE special-edition Release 1.0 baseball cap. > >Kevin and I fill Release 1.0 with insights on the latest >technologies and the companies that are forging our future. For 15 >years, we've consistently nailed the big ideas and big trends before >they've become the vogue. Isn't it time you joined such industry >leaders as John Doerr, Mary Meeker, Ray Ozzie, Marc Andreessen, >Michael Dell, Jim Barksdale, Ann Winblad, Martin Nisenholtz, Eric >Schmidt and Bill Joy as a Release 1.0 subscriber? > >Visit <http://www.release1-0.com>www.Release1-0.com now and complete >the online subscription form. Be sure to use 900ER1 as your personal >marketing code to get this great offer. > >**Sign up before November 15 and get your PC Forum 2001 invitation >with your November issue.** > >At Release 1.0, we will continue to lead the conversation and to >keep it lively. I hope you ll join us. What we write about now will >start to matter sooner than you think! > >Sincerely yours, > >Esther Dyson >Editor-in-Chief, Release 1.0 > >P.S. If you would prefer not to receive any further information >about EDventure's activities, please let Joanna >(<mailto:joanna@edventure.com>joanna(a)edventure.com) in my office >know and we will be sure to remove you from our list. -- ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, "Cyphernomicon" | black markets, collapse of governments.

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CDR: Dealing with Spam from Esther Dyson
by Tim May 28 Oct '00

28 Oct '00

By the way, a few minutes with Google turned up other instances of Esther Dyson's spamming. Here's just one such URL, along with the opening paragraphs: http://channel.nytimes.com/1998/03/28/technology/28dyson.html March 28, 1998 I Got Spammed by Esther Dyson: Release, the Old-Fashioned Way By LISA NAPOLI ecently, I got a note from the publisher of Release 1.0, the venerable newsletter put out by the venerable (and mythic) godmother of all things digital, Esther Dyson. It wasn't a casual e-mail. It wasn't a letter asking me to write for the newsletter. It wasn't even a personal note asking me to have lunch, or attend her annual conference (which took place this week in Tucson, where, for the first time, non-Release subscribers were permitted to attend.) The note was plain old-fashioned snail mail spam, asking me to fork over nearly 700 bucks for a subscription. Dear Lisa, Esther Dyson and Jerry Michalski believe that someone who's achieved your stature in our industry should be part of the Release 1.0 family. That's why they've suggested I write this letter to you. Stature? How did they measure that? Did Jerry Michalski remember sitting at the same table with me at a conference luncheon once? Did Esther ever read my now deceased column, Hyperwocky? Did some computer notice my name on all those mailing lists?

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CDR: Oh Gawd, Tim May...
by George＠Orwellian.Org 27 Oct '00

27 Oct '00

Tim May just spammed the list with a message from Esther Dyson, as if asking for help. Tim May needs killing.

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CDR: Insurance: My Last Post
by Nathan Saper 27 Oct '00

27 Oct '00

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Here is my last post in this thread, because I feel that it is going nowhere: My views are irreconcilable with those of the libertarians on this list. Here's the way I view the world: 1) Life has no inherent value. Our being here is random, and there is no purpose to our lives. 2) "Human progress" is bullshit. We are no further along as a species now than we were in Plato's time. Basically, we're going nowhere fast. 3) People have no essential "rights." Rights don't exist. This is a theme often found in the work of many modern philosophers, such as Foucault. 5) Taking all three premises above, the only way I can find to evaluate what is right and what is wrong is "do what causes the least pain." I guess this is basically pragmatism. For example, if raising taxes to 95% would feed everyone in the world (I'm just speaking hypothetically), then I would advocate this, because this would lead to less pain in the world. (And I don't consider some people having to sell their Ferraris "pain." ;-) Someone here said that each time taxes are raised, we lose freedom. So what? First of all, what is "freedom"? Second of all, what is so great about it that it should be evaluated before everything else? So I guess when people say "but by making the insurance companies pay for the medical care, you are stealing from them," my answer is "So what?" I understand that this way of viewing the world is not shared by many on this list, so it seems that it would be damn near impossible for us to reach agreement. - -- Nathan Saper (natedog(a)well.com) | http://www.well.com/user/natedog/ GnuPG (ElGamal/DSA): 0x9AD0F382 | PGP 2.x (RSA): 0x386C4B91 Standard PGP & PGP/MIME OK | AOL Instant Messenger: linuxfu -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE59oRA2FWyBZrQ84IRAlgUAJ9y2Tjn0jqwpSyxZD7wQW+UGQi5dQCfczrz 5fXnbFxhPFVfaFbiPu2/KNQ= =ijeO -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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CDR: more wild things
by billp＠nmol.com 27 Oct '00

27 Oct '00

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/8327/load1.html

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CDR: Enjoy the ride!!!!!!!
by info0809＠myered.com 27 Oct '00

27 Oct '00

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CDR: Re: Mac created the modern Internet
by Ulf Möller 27 Oct '00

27 Oct '00

I'm sure that Mac users added to the momentum, but don't forget online services like AOL and CompuServe. They started offering Internet mail and Usenet access in 1993, and as people started sending URLs around, they inevitably had to offer online access as well.

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by Alin Werner 27 Oct '00

27 Oct '00

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CDR: Come back to pogo.com!
by comeback＠pogo.com 27 Oct '00

27 Oct '00

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CDR: Re: Insurance: My Last Post
by Nathan Saper 27 Oct '00

27 Oct '00

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 03:24:35PM -0500, Kevin Elliott V wrote: > > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Here is my last post in this thread, because I feel that it is going > > nowhere: > > > > My views are irreconcilable with those of the libertarians on this > > list. Here's the way I view the world: > > > > 1) Life has no inherent value. Our being here is random, and > > there is no purpose to our lives. > > > > 2) "Human progress" is bullshit. We are no further along as a > > species now than we were in Plato's time. Basically, we're > > going nowhere fast. > > > > 3) People have no essential "rights." Rights don't exist. > > This is a theme often found in the work of many modern > > philosophers, such as Foucault. > > > > 5) Taking all three premises above, the only way I can find to > > evaluate what is right and what is wrong is "do what causes the > > least pain." I guess this is basically pragmatism. For > > example, if raising taxes to 95% would feed everyone in the > > world (I'm just speaking hypothetically), then I would advocate > > this, because this would lead to less pain in the world. (And > > I don't consider some people having to sell their Ferraris > > "pain." ;-) Someone here said that each time taxes are raised, > > we lose freedom. So what? First of all, what is "freedom"? > > Second of all, what is so great about it that it should be > > evaluated before everything else? > > The best answer I can give to this is to suggest you read "On Liberty" by > John Stuart Mill. The theory you espouse in five, by the way, is > utilitarianism though it is normally phrased in the positive "the greatest > happiness for the greatest number" rather than the negative as you have > expressed it. I am fairly familar with utilitarian thought. My specific form of utilitarianism is act utilitarianism, which means that each individual action is evaulated, instead of using utilitarian ideas to form a complete system of moral thought. The reason why I use "the least pain for the greatest number" instead of "the greatest happiness for the greatest number" is because the latter justifies many not-so-great acts under act utilitarianism. Consider this example: There is going to be a Sado-Masachism (sp?) convention, which will be attended by 10,000 S&M-ers. They kidnap a poor person, bring him to their convention, and electrically shock him. This delights the crowd, but devastates the poor person. Under the common definition of utilitarianism, this act is justified because it pleasures 10,000, while hurting only 1. However, under my definition, this act is not justified because it creates a lot of pain, whereas not doing it does not create any pain. > It was originally formulated by a gentleman by the name of > Jeremy Bentham, but is most associated with Mill who studied under Bentham > and is responsible for a number of works on the subject. Mill is also > most responsible for clarifying and revising it counter the easy arguments > against it. Most interesting however for your interest, however, is "On > Liberty" which clearly and concisely explains why the greatest happiness > for the greatest number results from a society where government > intervention (and thievery) is minimized and people are left to there own > devices. > And I disagree with him. - -- Nathan Saper (natedog(a)well.com) | http://www.well.com/user/natedog/ GnuPG (ElGamal/DSA): 0x9AD0F382 | PGP 2.x (RSA): 0x386C4B91 Standard PGP & PGP/MIME OK | AOL Instant Messenger: linuxfu -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.5 and Gnu Privacy Guard <http://www.gnupg.org/> iD8DBQE593Mq2FWyBZrQ84IRAvwkAKCaEAI8fHh+q3ZyWPqUe8UTFdd0YQCfR5nc MXVzyvMqF/YoUWtx+QyDbig= =4ChW -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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