October 2000 - cypherpunks-legacy

CDR: RE: Parties
by Carskadden, Rush 28 Oct '00

28 Oct '00

Eric, Yeah, there is the Libertarian party, and they get a lot of electoral votes. In fact, I think that our next president will be Harry Browne. Our work is done. Let's go get a drink. Seriously, what we are discussing here is the feasibility of establishing a credible power base for a third party. I don't think (and maybe you disagree with me here) that the Libertarian party has achieved this at all. I don't think that the current Libertarian party CAN establish this kind of voter confidence. The current presidential candidate for the Libertarian party, Harry Browne, has done little to gain voter enthusiasm with such bold and impractical claims as the statement that his first action in office would be granting executive pardon to drug offenders. I am familiar with the Libertarian party, to the extent that I was a member for the past several years, and have attended several state and national Libertarian party conventions, and spoken with Congress-people as a representative of Libertarian interests. The fact of the matter is, in a discussion of strong representation of issues within a viable Washington D.C. power movement, you can only be bringing up the Libertarian party as either an example of failure in the third party strategy or a recommendation for a third party to endorse. As for the possible assertion that the Libertarian party is an example of a failure to succeed at activism outside of the two-party arena, I think that any failure (perceived or real) may in fact be due to the outrageous demands of the LP (as an activist, I have been embarrassed by them many times), and the complete stubborn demand for overnight change without compromise. These facets of the party may be sexy to guys like you and I, but don't engender the public, or establish a foothold in Washington. As to the possible recommendation of the Libertarian party as a viable alternative to the two party system, I just don't see how that answers my question. Sure, the Libertarian party seems to be fairly interested in privacy and personal freedom. That still doesn't tell me whether you think it would be easier to get the Libertarian party enough power to actually protect our interests, or convince existing partisan powers to take up the cause. In short, thanks for the info, but you've answered nothing. ok, Rush Carskadden -----Original Message----- From: Eric Murray [mailto:ericm@lne.com] Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 12:11 PM To: Carskadden, Rush Cc: 'cypherpunks(a)algebra.com' Subject: Re: Parties On Fri, Oct 27, 2000 at 11:09:40AM -0500, Carskadden, Rush wrote: > Scott and I have been discussing (from a theoretical standpoint) the > possibility of a third party that focuses on privacy and personal freedom, There already is one. It's called the Libertarian party. www.lp.org. -- Eric Murray Consulting Security Architect SecureDesign LLC http://www.securedesignllc.com PGP keyid:E03F65E5

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CDR: Re: Ho to KICK OUT Junkbusters users
by Anonymous 28 Oct '00

28 Oct '00

Igor Chudov wrote: > yep, numerous times. the funny thing is that the "AI" program that is > georgewbush has no state at all, it just replies to the user's last > phrase according to the rules. But I tried to make sure that georgewbush > is well prepared politically. > My experience with splotchy and georgewbush illustrates ridiculousness > of most human conversations. ...snip... What kinds of logs do you keep of interactions with Splotchy/GWB? Are users made aware of any such logs? (Not that I particularly care about the privacy of users who want to have "sibersex" with "marred" people.) I also wonder how many times Eliza has been rewritten into Sheila the Sex Kitten, and to what degree of success.

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Administrivia: old submission address to cease working
by Stephen Early 28 Oct '00

28 Oct '00

Oxford University Computing Service have notified me that they intend to cease forwarding mail sent to the old UKcrypto submission address, ukcrypto(a)maillist.ox.ac.uk, as of 31st October. Please check that you are no longer using that address. Another request: if you mention UKcrypto on a website, please make sure you are sending people to the right place! I receive a couple of subscription requests per day bounced through the Oxford address, which I currently deal with manually. If you link to UKcrypto, please link to the URL http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/ukcrypto or for the archives: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/pipermail/ukcrypto/ Thanks, Steve Early -- "...as we transfer our whole being to the data bank, privacy will become a ghost or echo of its former self and what remains of community will disappear"...Marshal McLuhan -- Robert Guerra <rguerra(a)yahoo.com>, Fax: +1(303) 484-0302 WWW Page <http://pgp.greatvideo.com>, ICQ # 10266626 PGPKeys <http://pgp.greatvideo.com/keys/rguerra/>

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Administrivia: old submission address to cease working
by Stephen Early 28 Oct '00

28 Oct '00

Oxford University Computing Service have notified me that they intend to cease forwarding mail sent to the old UKcrypto submission address, ukcrypto(a)maillist.ox.ac.uk, as of 31st October. Please check that you are no longer using that address. Another request: if you mention UKcrypto on a website, please make sure you are sending people to the right place! I receive a couple of subscription requests per day bounced through the Oxford address, which I currently deal with manually. If you link to UKcrypto, please link to the URL http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/ukcrypto or for the archives: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/pipermail/ukcrypto/ Thanks, Steve Early -- "...as we transfer our whole being to the data bank, privacy will become a ghost or echo of its former self and what remains of community will disappear"...Marshal McLuhan -- Robert Guerra <rguerra(a)yahoo.com>, Fax: +1(303) 484-0302 WWW Page <http://pgp.greatvideo.com>, ICQ # 10266626 PGPKeys <http://pgp.greatvideo.com/keys/rguerra/>

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CDR: Re: Stealth Mass Mailer, 10 Million E-Addresses & More.. 17999
by Tim May 28 Oct '00

28 Oct '00

At 9:26 AM -0700 10/29/00, xs24(a)netease.com wrote: >Email advertising WORKS! >Email Advertise your product or website to millions for only $99. > >For $99.00 you will receive the Stealth Mass Mailer Software, >List Manager, Over 10 million email addresses, and as a free bonus, >a Bulletproof mail server to send your mail through. >NEVER, lose your ISP service again. "As used by Esther Dyson." --Tim May -- ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, "Cyphernomicon" | black markets, collapse of governments.

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CDR: Re: Oh Gawd, Tim May...
by George＠Orwellian.Org 28 Oct '00

28 Oct '00

# From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> # To: George(a)Orwellian.Org, cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net Yo, Ding Dong, no need to send it to me twice. # I think I have a very good idea who you are. I should hope so, since I'm not anonymous. Ask Declan or Gilmore if you get stuck. # The cool thing is that you won't even # hear the crack of the rifle shot... No! I insist you terrorize me by shooting my legs first! <POW> Oh, I'm hit! Tim May has finally come to kill me! <POW> Oh, my other leg! I'll be dead soon! Terror!!! <POW> [redacted by Tim May]

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CDR: Re: Re: Gort in granny-shades (was Re: Al Gore goes cypherpunk?)
by Roy Silvernail 28 Oct '00

28 Oct '00

From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> >No accounting for taste, of course, but I _loved_ "The Matrix." So did I. >Overall, it's up there in my Top 5 of SF films, with "2001," >"Terminator 2," and "Blade Runner." Not necessarily in that order. Our tastes seem curiously close. What's number 5 on your list? >Ihre Meilenzahl variiert vielleicht. Die meisten Meile Zahlen verändern sich. (blame babelfish!) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

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CDR: envelope stuffing
by cameron garth 28 Oct '00

28 Oct '00

To whom it may concern We would like some more information on your subject, as it makes no sence to us as we thought that when you do envelope stuffing you supply all product and knowledge.

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CDR: Fw: CIA in Oregon, Intelink
by jim bell 28 Oct '00

28 Oct '00

> > Would anyone in the Oregon area know about > > a CIA organization acronymed ISTAC? > > > > Here's the NIC entry, which includes a CIA rep > > in Bend, OR. Note that the other CIA rep used > > only a last name initial. > > > > Designated Agency Rep, Requester, Sr. Registration > Official: > > Mueller, Deforest X. (DXM2) > > (541) 385-6836 > > MUELLER(a)BENDNET.COM > > Record last updated on 13-Apr-99. > > Mueller, Deforest X. (DXM2) > > cia > > 63350 majestic loop > > bend, OR 97701 > > (541) 385-6836 > > MUELLER(a)BENDNET.COM > > Here is a list of all driver's licenses in Oregon in 1996 that contain > "DEFOREST". Notice the last entry: > > "MC CAULEY, DALE DEFOREST","3314 SE > TAYLOR","","PORTLAND","OR",26,97214,15,12,24,"M",600,180,"A","0199503" > "MC FARLAND, DAVID DEFOREST","36003 E CROWN PT > HWY","","CORBETT","OR",26,97019,42,3,21,"M",510,230,"","0738491" > "MCFARLAND, DANIEL DEFOREST","36003 E CROWN POINT > HWY","","CORBETT","OR",26,97019,75,12,18,"M",511,150,"A","5323237" > "MILBURN, DONALD DEFOREST","653 SMITH ROCK > WAY","","TERREBONNE","OR",9,97760,59,6,19,"M",601,190,"","2256445" > "MUELLER, SCOTT DEFOREST","1823 GARNET PL WA","PO BOX > 486","CHELAN","WA",60,98816,50,7,10,"M",600,174,"","2005706" > > Here is a car for "Scott Deforest Mueller", registered in Oregon but with > the Chelan, Washington, address. > ---------- s.txt > "SAL903","1","CHEV","SV2","VA","1GBEG25H5G7185373","9535286527",86,1,97,9,16 > ,"MUELLER, SCOTT DEFOREST",50,7,10,2005706,"MUELLER, KIM > MARIE",59,11,8,3772314,"1823 GARNET PL WA","PO BOX > 486","CHELAN","WA",98816,60,"",1,95,12,18,0,0,"","","","","","","",0 Notice the DOB's: 7/10/1959 for Scott Mueller, 11/8/1959 for Kim Mueller > > And here is the data from 1997 license plates. > SAL903 1CHEV VA1GBEG25H5G7185373 9535286527861990916MUELLER, SCOTT > DEFOREST MUELLER, KIM MARIE 20830 DIONE WAY > BENDPO BOX 486 CHELAN WA9881660 > > I'll look up the information for "Kim Marie Mueller" later on today. > Jim Bell Sorry about the extra delay. Very interesting results for year 2000. Looks like the Muellers got a new Chevy, from SAL903 to the current VCV976 "VCV976","1","CHEV","SV2","VA","1GBEG25K3SF156657","9830708131",1995,1,2000, 8,11,"MUELLER, DEFOREST SCOTT",0,0,0,9638546,"",0,0,0,0,"20830 DIONE WAY","","BEND","OR",97701,9,"",2,1999,2,11,0,0,"","BANK OF THE CASCADES","","2542 N HIGHWAY 97 RDMD","PO BOX 1236","REDMOND","OR",97756,0 Here's an interesting addition. I ran a year 2000 license plate search for all Oregon plates registered to 20830 Dione Way, Bend OR, and this popped up as well. "WSN592","1","TOYT","RUN","UT","JT3HN86R3X0197687","9829222474",1999,1,2000, 10,13,"ASHE, JOHN R",1953,4,2,6699949,"ASHE, ANNA E",1960,1,14,6699973,"20830 DIONE WAY","","BEND","OR",97701,9,"",1,1999,2,10,0,0,"","","","","","","",0,0 Interestingly enough, GO.COM lists a John Ashe at 8 Todd Ln, Bend, OR, 97707, phone number 541-593-2784 More later Jim Bell

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CDR: Clinton signs executive order on workers & new economy
by Declan McCullagh 28 Oct '00

28 Oct '00

THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary _______________________________________________________________________ For Immediate Release October 27, 2000 STATEMENT BY THE PRESIDENT Today, I am pleased to sign an Executive Order creating a Commission on Workers, Communities, and Economic Change in the New Economy. I would like to thank Representative Ken Bentsen for his leadership in helping workers and communities adapt to the new economy and for working with my Administration to form this Commission. International trade, technology, globalization, and the changing nature of work present extraordinary new opportunities for Americans, but can also create real disruptions for American workers and communities. Vice President Gore and I have worked hard to empower workers and communities to take advantage of the many opportunities in this new economy, but there is still more we can do. This Commission will undertake a careful examination of the effectiveness of existing federal programs to help workers and communities adjust to economic change, and will identify the best practices of employers, communities, and public-private partnerships that have responded successfully to economic dislocations. The commission?s report, due next year, will help communities, employers, and workers respond to and benefit from these changes in our economy. 30-30-30

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