April 1993 - cypherpunks-legacy

unsubscribe me
by pg3448＠csc.albany.edu 22 Apr '93

22 Apr '93

I cannot keep up with all the mail.. 50+ per day is just too much.. can I please be taken off the subscribed list? thank you.. PG _______________________________________________________________________________ _ @__ ############ ## /\ /\ /\ | \\ ######### ########## ###### _ || || || | \\ ###### ########## / \ || || || _|\ \\ ## ________________ ` / || || || \ \ ++ ___--- / \ \ ---___ | \\||// \ l || _-- / /\ \ \ --_ * ~||~ T\\ || _____/ / / /\ \ \ \_____ || | \\ || \_ / / /__\_\ \ _/ || | \\ ++ -__ / / /________\ __- __ || | \// .-. _ ---___\/___________/___--- _ || || | //\ . | | | ` --___ ___-- / \--+|============--_ | // .\\| t-' | _ ---------------- \_/--+|======||====-- @~~ `.| | t_| The Harbinger is watching! ||__ || ~ ` -- _______________________________________________________________________________

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DC meeting
by dstalder＠gmuvax2.gmu.edu 22 Apr '93

22 Apr '93

This is to announce a DC area cypherpunks meeting on Monday 26 April at 1800 (or so) until whenever at my office. Call me or write me for info on how to get here... Think free, -- Defeat the Torin/Darren Stalder/Wolf __ Wiretap Chip Internet: dstalder(a)gmuvax2.gmu.edu \/ PGP2.x key available. Proposal! Bitnet: dstalder@gmuvax Finger me. Write me for Sprintnet: 1-703-845-1000 details. Snail: 10310 Main St., Suite 110/Fairfax, VA/22030/USA DISCLAIMER: A society where such disclaimers are needed is saddening.

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Re: Crypto Activism and Respectability
by peb＠PROCASE.COM 22 Apr '93

22 Apr '93

>From: tcmay(a)netcom.com (Timothy C. May) >And note tha the "Hackers Conference" has not changed _their_ name, Yes, but they are not trying to gain any media attention. If the CPSR or EFF is the main media presence, then fine; the role of cypherpunks is to write code and spread memes. The only downside I see to this approach is that EFF and CPSR are afraid of being critical about wiretapping in general--that's how their press releases read. If they have a deeper agenda, it doesn't show. The attention getting name *could* be used for certain kinds of media and then branching off with pointers to EFF and CPSR would be a good strategy. Paul E. Baclace peb(a)procase.com

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The (very) next Saturday Meeting
by Arthur Abraham 22 Apr '93

22 Apr '93

I will be presenting a short talk entitled: Clipper (Nail* | *Ship): External Functionality based on the hardware specs of this topical device. p.s. I tried to get samples, but the price was $300,000 for 10,000 units,

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Info on Mykotronx
by Harry Shapiro 22 Apr '93

22 Apr '93

Please forward this message far and wide. - Harry I am looking for Info on Mykotronx the company that designed the WireTap chip for the NSA/NIST/FBI. They are said to be a contractor to NSA. Thus we can assume that most if not all of what they do is "hidden from view." I was shocked when I did a database search using the name Mykotronx and Mycotronx (both spellings have been used), in publications that report on these areas: trade, technical, business and financial markets. I also searched press wires and some newspapers. Prior to April 16/17 I have found NO References to this company. Clearly this company takes it security seriously; but such a lack of coverage seems strange. It leads me to wonder if they really existed much prior to April 16/17 - they could be a division of the NSA, for example. Of course the data bases I searched don't have everything in them and they could have been scrubbed... Can anyone find references to this company prior to April 16 1993? Can anyone provide alternative spellings for their name? Thanks, /harry -- Harry Shapiro habs(a)panix.com List Administrator of the Extropy Institute Mailing List Private Communication for the Extropian Community since 1991

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POLITICAL DISPERSION: Contact with Christic Institute
by $HOME/.sig 22 Apr '93

22 Apr '93

Hi All, Due to a recent posting in alt.conspiracy I was finally able to make contact with the Christic Institute. These are the people who were continually suing the CIQA during the 80's for violations of intelligence laws. They were almost completely wiped out by questionable decisions in a federal lawsuit and loss of their non-profit tax status during the last days of the bush administration. Their present status is as follows, 286/AT class machines 20-30 mb hard disks, 1200 baud connectivity only. and have said they will attempt to acquire a 9600 baud modem...(maybe someone on the list has a spare that they could donate). they have only 1 person who knows about "software" and he sounds like he doesnt have a whole lot of time on his hands I was either thinking about obtaining a pubnix account on their behalf..( or cheap commercial shell account(netcom). or installing waffle along with pgp2.2 and praying. Any suggestions from the group would be welcome. BTW I have worked at expressing the power and connectivity of the internet to him. I dont know how much sunk in at the time.The person I talked to was Dave Reed Christic Institute, 310-287-1556 310-287-1559 FAX 8773 Venice Blvd Los Angeles, Ca 90034 In addition I have been attempting to make contact with the Santa Cruz Action Team to get them connected. I will be making contact with many human rights/eco/etc groups over the next month...(I feel like a crypto-anarchist Johnny Appleseed) - -------- - -- To add the following key block to your PGP2.0 Public Key Ring save this entire message to a file and enter the following command: pgp -ka [name_of_file_saved] The above key block is included on every message I send from - -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.2 mQCNAiqua1sAAAEEAMhfx9J4HPDUZReVFsxS1EZh1jArbIKYtFsL8qit1xCDU8xk Sg/MyOVg37CXv/zKGhjrYt1/F4zntHewIDMm3LkH/G/do74zq1R1NrukD5PUbU8/ aeOvsFmjI3HGJGQNpPXXd8eegxHeggOpQPqLNbsl+VSFY5qka/gXinP2G6VzAAUR tB9rZWxseSA8cGxlaWt1IWtlbGx5QG5ldGNvbS5jb20+tBFzbmFrZUBjYWRlbmNl LmNvbbQdS2VsbHkgR29lbiA8a2VsbHlAbmV0Y29tLmNvbT6JAJUCBRAq0+Yk4nXe Dv9n9wsBAUbXA/9nPYjlRcak+JHZzrU8IHwqvSi/eA8IxKfviB0aaOgEkJOgoSrD FzGl0wq9usgqywl1cG05pHhy9dE5YisPrhQUq7Vo3piOxsrhAxdX3OP14wEfqpIU g23lgq55DKKHVf5ea+/F84mdTO7l3Ef4BzfwdKa7YfsFzLOcjWthwnQa84kAlQIF ECq1XovhoOw8SgKpbwEB8bgD/RkyuGei5GZFmXACvF5tBJ2UsCOmmv1c4y4gFQ6U /YO+lO22kVbW497tKJYZyJIMqCj9AnlhqPePiYrj76n951tF3R5AkmTaBIC1SAB6 2oB7xgOSnrt0LxZJml6cLROM6ZpFYIvOVp5GHGlVWu9vxP7BKo+z4LnzFlQzu83O Et4U =PfOI - -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- pleiku!kelly(a)netcom.com.... ------- End of Unsent Draft

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REMAIL: The other shoe drops
by $HOME/.sig 22 Apr '93

22 Apr '93

And John Gilmore Spake: (Much Deleted) > To permanently restore at least last month's level of service, we need > a couple of dedicated, firewalled, buttressed sites. You want a few > geographically separated people who own their own systems (or who own > or run the company that owns them), who have solid network links > (possibly redundant), and who are fully committed to the idea -- as > committed as funet.fi to persist past the vilification and harassment > and threats. > > And those people need backup from the rest of us -- legal help if they > need or want it, money to pay the networking bill if things get tight, > loans of backup equipment during failures under load, system > administration when folks try to break in and trash their machines, > software creation and maintenance, advocacy, policy work, advice, and > a bunch of shoulders to cry on and warm words of encouragement. > > Three to five people providing such setups, in collaboration, would > wedge a steel-toed boot so firmly in the door that it couldn't be > slammed by any dyspeptic "net god". > > Are we up to this job? If not, let's scale back what we're trying to > do. I'd rather succeed at raising consciousness on the issue for a > later try, than try now to set up such a beachhead and fail at it. John I am forced to agree with you here..... I dont think we have the "juice" to carry off a maximum effort at this point... I would gladly volunteer to setup such a site AND I would need a peacenet feed instead of the "gratis" connections I obtain from netcom.... I AM already uncoercible... as you well know and I would need you as well as others in backing on this effort...OK kids... Here we have one volunteer if we can get at least 3 other sites(my mininum buyin is 4 US sites).... Hey John... what about you??? cheers kelly p.s. I would be willing to maintain a PAX type anon operation as well as an anon-remailer.....and a KEY server... would also offer the PGP archives via mail server... note that I am uucp connected and would need to upgrade to 56 kb leased or V-FAST technology... - ------- End of Forwarded Message ------- End of Unsent Draft

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AT&T in Greensboro
by Harry Shapiro 22 Apr '93

22 Apr '93

Eric mentioned boycotting AT&T products produced at facilities in Greensboro. I did a quick search of AT&T Greensboor for the last years, looking through trade and tech pubs. Basically their is mention of their Federal Systems group and there Federal systems advanced technologies group. They have a AT&T Proposal center there and a business called AT&T Technical Service Co. Bell Labs/Federal Systems group runs the Guilford Center complex there. They annouced they are building a 5 Million dollar plant for building telecommunications products for the US Gov. and for the International Commerical Markets. (This was within this years, and may or may not have been, at that time, a cover to hide what ever facilities were being built for the WireTap Chip project. It should be noted that Public Key Partners is located in Greensboro. That the AT&T deal with them at the time, was probally completed so that the WireTap phone systems AT&T will sell will not violate RSA/PKP patents. /harry -- Harry Shapiro habs(a)panix.com List Administrator of the Extropy Institute Mailing List Private Communication for the Extropian Community since 1991

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Re: "Cypherpunks Write Code"
by elee9sf＠Menudo.UH.EDU 22 Apr '93

22 Apr '93

Derek writes: > > Since I'd like to be part of the cypherdelic revolution, > what code needs writing? I agree that the PC/modem Heh, lots of stuff could be done: 1) Hack around with the anonymous remailers. Eric mentioned he is working on a "second generation" remailer which allows users to specify cut marks, etc. I've been fooling with one that caches all incoming messages in a directory, and then at midnight (by using the at command) mails/routes each messages on its way. Still got problems with it, though... 2) DC Nets. Yanek Martinson is working on a DC Net implementation using email. A TCP/IP version would be nice! 3) CELP. Don't know much about this other that porting it and hand coding parts in assembly for speed would be welcome. Then, we could have our own encrypted conversations. 4) Digital Bank. A full-blown implementation (RSA encryption and decryption, blinded messages, etc). I have written a scaled down digital bank which provides privacy and security by using random cash and random account numbers, and does not correlate account numbers with usernames. It's written in the Korn shell, and I plan many improvements once the semester is over (rewrite in PERL for one...) But my bank does not implement Chaum's digicash scheme, and that would be best. 5) Once that is done, we can experiment with a "cash accepting" remailer - one that will only remail if valid digicash is included in the header, or whatever. Then, such a system may be expanded to do anonymous or pseudonymous usenet posting, which may be an acceptible (to folks who are vehemently against anonymous posting, etc.) solution to helping prevent abuse by such services. 6) Steganography, hiding code in other documents. For example, hiding each bit of a message (encrypted or not) in the low order bits of an image, gif, tiff, whatever. I've played around with the tiff format and will try to use Sam Lieffler's (sp?) tiff package to help out. Writing a program that will automatically embed a message in a picture and read a message out will be useful. ("hey everyone, be sure to get the denning.gif from alt.binaries.pictures.misc and read my comments about the clipper chip!") 7) Misc stuff. Check out the scripts which help in the use of the anonymous remailers - they are for UNIX and DOS. Amiga, Mac, etc. versions needed. 8) Take your favorite unix utility (mail for example) or whatever and add encryption automatically. Sure, using it on a multi-user systems may not be the best thing to do, but the code, techniques, and solutions would be of value and would aid others. 9) probably lots of other stuff that would be nice... /-----------------------------------\ | Karl L. Barrus | | elee9sf(a)menudo.uh.edu | <- preferred address | barrus(a)tree.egr.uh.edu (NeXTMail) | \-----------------------------------/

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AT&T/SUITS
by Sandy 22 Apr '93

22 Apr '93

_________________________________________________________________ FROM THE VIRTUAL DESK OF SANDY SANDFORT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Punksters, AT&T: CO-CONSPIRATORS At the last physical San Francisco meeting, I mentioned a curious conversation I had with an AT&T representative. I had called him for info about the ATT Secure Phone 3600. What I reported to the meeting was that while the representative would not "confirm or deny" that the 3600 had a backdoor, his demeanor suggested to me that it did. Now in reviewing the conversation in my memory, I realize that what I was hearing from him was a SMUGNESS. It had the flavor of the cat that swallowed the canary. He obviously knew about the upcoming announcement. In retrospect, I see that he was playing with me by dropping hints such as: "If the NSA were to ask us to put a backdoor in the 3600, of course we would have to cooperate." Talk about your "secret government." Where are Slick Willie's "town hall meetings" when you need them? SUITS ME Let a hundred flowers blossom. Those of us who wish to fight the good fight in suits, should do so. Likewise, those who wish to remain long-haired, maggot-infested, dope-smoking hippies, should follow their hearts. I have no problem with the "Cypherpunks" moniker. It hasn't hurt us, and it has brought us some favorable publicity. I think Perry is being an alarmist. In one point, though, Perry is right. He said people will listen to unconventional folks who present reasonable ideas. But it appears that Perry thinks our support of freedom and privacy is somehow unreasonable in the eyes of Joe Lunchbucket. I respectfully disagree. I think we represent the essence of American values. All we have to do is put it in terms the are immediate and personally relevant to the average American. For the record though, as Tim May can attest, I am bi-cultural. I have gotten in touch with the Suit inside me. If Cypherpunks ever needs a spokesperson in a "dress for success" suit, I'll be glad to volunteer. There is one condition, however. I will only do it if I'm teamed with someone not in a suit; preferably with long hair and wearing tie-dyed. Think of the photo op! S a n d y _________________________________________________________________ PLEASE RESPOND TO: ssandfort(a)attmail.com (except from CompuServe) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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