April 1993 - cypherpunks-legacy

Suit vs Non-Suits
by Harry Shapiro 23 Apr '93

23 Apr '93

I feel that perhaps I started this whole mess that is getting, imho, quite out of hand. I said in a post of several days ago, we need Tim M. and John G. to get out there and speak and we also need some people who wear suits. I think we need both. I agree with Perry about the desire to change things and the perception of a person gives off, etc. Still I think we need both, and since we have both people on this list, I don't see what has to really change. It would be nice to get Tim and John and a few suis to make a lobbying trip to washington. But lets stop the debate. /harry -- Harry Shapiro habs(a)panix.com List Administrator of the Extropy Institute Mailing List Private Communication for the Extropian Community since 1991

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the WireTap Chip sobriquet
by Arthur Abraham 23 Apr '93

23 Apr '93

Actually, this is the worst named product since GM decided to name an electric car the "Impact" (they've since announced that they're not going to make it.) This device is very simply the "Privacy Clipper" chip .... "nuf said" -- Stan Lee -a2.

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Don't Piss on Me
by Arthur Abraham 23 Apr '93

23 Apr '93

I refer you to my earlier posting requesting people to direct thier fire at something that needs to be ignighted -- like your local newspaper or local congress person or local president -- but it's definately not the Cypherpunks mailing list. We MUST NOT waste time writing each other letters that we'll learn nothing by reading. We should spend that same time writing to newspapers, congress people, phone companies, Clinton, Gore, and anybody else who thinks they can get away with this because they feel the citizenry either doesn't care about or doesn't understand the issues. What I'd like to see about the Privacy Clipper on this list is something I don't already know, like the name and address of AT&T's president's secretary -- s/he'll complain to the prez if enough privacy mail arrives. Better yet, how about more copies of the letters to the uninformed that you have already sent. Be imaginative, be active, rattle cages, but telling me how pissed you are won't change a thing, except to decrease the time we're both spending on doing something effective. Be effective. Please. -a2.

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crypto export controls.
by Bill Sommerfeld 23 Apr '93

23 Apr '93

I got an announcement last week of a presentation early this week at my place of work on the subject of cryptographic export controls, shortly before the cripple chip announcement was made. This struck me as at least suspicious. Well, turns that the timing was something of a coincidence; it was just a generic presentation on the current sorry state of the export regulations, by one who had to deal with them day in and day out. He seemed to have the right attitude towards "working the regulations" and what they should be, and had been involved in a few meetings with NSA-types. He commented that things have been getting better -- it used to be that they'd refuse to meet with you over the subject of exporting DES; now, they'll meet with you and just refuse to talk about it. The justification for ignoring the current wide availability of strong crypto outside the U.S. was that if they prevent strong crypto from falling into the hands of *one* bad guy, they will have accomplished something... He mentioned that the Software Publishers Association deal (where companies can now export software using crippled versions of RC2 and RC4 on short notice) was a surprise to him and much of the non-PC software industry and represented an almost complete capitulation on the SPA's part. It was also uninteresting to my employer as we aren't interested in using trivially breakable crypto in our products, and the quick turnaround is pretty much meaningless given the amount of lead time needed to get a product out the door. He also mentioned an upcoming amendment to the next version of the law which authorizes the ITAR and the commerce equivalent which would specifically allow the export of generally available encryption software; he didn't hold out much hope for it passing but considered it worth fighting for. He was also taken by surprise by the cripple chip announcement, and also considered it a bad and ominous thing... - Bill

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ANON: Anonymized Mailing Lists
by $HOME/.sig 23 Apr '93

23 Apr '93

Hi There, Has any one combined PGP2.2 and one of the mailing lists servers such as MajorDomo to produce an Anonymous multiple recipient Mailing List? I know David Clunie was working on this for PAX at one point but he didnt finish it I believe. Any one got anything like this? cheers kelly - -------- - -- To add the following key block to your PGP2.0 Public Key Ring save this entire message to a file and enter the following command: pgp -ka [name_of_file_saved] The above key block is included on every message I send from - -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.2 mQCNAiqua1sAAAEEAMhfx9J4HPDUZReVFsxS1EZh1jArbIKYtFsL8qit1xCDU8xk Sg/MyOVg37CXv/zKGhjrYt1/F4zntHewIDMm3LkH/G/do74zq1R1NrukD5PUbU8/ aeOvsFmjI3HGJGQNpPXXd8eegxHeggOpQPqLNbsl+VSFY5qka/gXinP2G6VzAAUR tB9rZWxseSA8cGxlaWt1IWtlbGx5QG5ldGNvbS5jb20+tBFzbmFrZUBjYWRlbmNl LmNvbbQdS2VsbHkgR29lbiA8a2VsbHlAbmV0Y29tLmNvbT6JAJUCBRAq0+Yk4nXe Dv9n9wsBAUbXA/9nPYjlRcak+JHZzrU8IHwqvSi/eA8IxKfviB0aaOgEkJOgoSrD FzGl0wq9usgqywl1cG05pHhy9dE5YisPrhQUq7Vo3piOxsrhAxdX3OP14wEfqpIU g23lgq55DKKHVf5ea+/F84mdTO7l3Ef4BzfwdKa7YfsFzLOcjWthwnQa84kAlQIF ECq1XovhoOw8SgKpbwEB8bgD/RkyuGei5GZFmXACvF5tBJ2UsCOmmv1c4y4gFQ6U /YO+lO22kVbW497tKJYZyJIMqCj9AnlhqPePiYrj76n951tF3R5AkmTaBIC1SAB6 2oB7xgOSnrt0LxZJml6cLROM6ZpFYIvOVp5GHGlVWu9vxP7BKo+z4LnzFlQzu83O Et4U =PfOI - -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- pleiku!kelly(a)netcom.com.... ------- End of Unsent Draft

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IRC
by TO1SITTLER＠APSICC.APS.EDU 23 Apr '93

23 Apr '93

NO! I was NOT trying to set up a host, I was trying to set up a CLIENT! I don't have source for a host, nor do I have room in my disk quota for it! I do, however, have source for two IRC clients, neither of which works yet. But really Chris, I think the Clipper is more important. Not only to the people who read the list, but to me too. This is the biggest reason why my time online does not get spent hacking the IRC client into shape. Please stop posting these messages to THIS list. Kragen

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OOPS
by GR2KITTRELL＠APSICC.APS.EDU 23 Apr '93

23 Apr '93

Sorry, To1sittler was trying to set up an IRC HOST, not client.. My apologizes.. If anyone knows massive amounts about IRC, PLEASE, help! gr2kittrell(a)apsicc.aps.edu

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Re: DC meeting
by Bob Stratton 23 Apr '93

23 Apr '93

[Note: in the interests of hitting everyone interested, this message might be duplicated for several of you. Please accept my apologies in advance --Strat] > Subject: DC meeting > Date: Thu, 22 Apr 93 16:20:50 EDT > From: dstalder(a)gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Darren/Torin/Who ever...) > > This is to announce a DC area cypherpunks meeting on Monday 26 April at > 1800 (or so) until whenever at my office. Call me or write me for info > on how to get here... A couple of things: - I was reading mail to post my announcement, when I read yours :-) - I'm more than willing to defer to the majority, though I think there's something to be said for networking the meetings, especially if we have good tools. I've also already received a great deal of response to the idea of a Saturday meeting, even from out-of-towners. To that end, I'm going to post an announcement for a Saturday meeting, and see what happens. Several of us have been planning it for a couple of days now, so don't take it personally or anything. - Paul Ferguson and a couple of others and I have been cobbling together a list of people we thought would be interested in meeting in the DC area, so as to do preliminary planning without polluting Cypherpunks too much. I can see that there are more DC area people than I had originally envisioned, which makes me happy. Sorry if we missed you originally. - Eric and I have discussed the idea of audio teleconferencing the various meetings, either via the Internet or by phone. I've got both a Sun IPC equipped to do the former, and a Western Electric conference telephone (and 6- way on my switch) for the latter. Well readers, which do you prefer? --Strat Help stop the wiretap chip! (a.k.a "Clipper") RIPEM and PGP keys available on request.

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IRC setup
by GR2KITTRELL＠APSICC.APS.EDU 23 Apr '93

23 Apr '93

I really don't know if it can be accomplished in time, but TO1SITTLER is working on setting up a client here for IRC. If this can be used for any meetings, just write. GR2KITTRELL(a)APSICC.APS.EDU Albuquerque, New Mexico (Land of Enchantment) "Right"

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subscribe
by schmittec＠MJ.LAAFB.AF.MIL 23 Apr '93

23 Apr '93

subscribe, schmittec(a)mj.laafb.af.mil

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