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Re: IPSP and Netscape
by jamesd＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I wrote: > > Eric and Perry have repeatedly used this method - > > not only attacking a straw man, but lying outright > > that their opponent has *explicitly* proclaimed > > the straw man. > > > > I am thoroughly sick of this dishonest debating > > tactic. > > > > If someone genuinely believe his opponent assumes > > or implies something that is obviously false he > > should say "implies" or "assumes" > > > > To say "claims" or "states" is to say something completely > > different. Perry E. Metzger writes > We're sick of you inventing facts, but of course, you'll just claim > we've been doing that. I will provide an example: Will you? You wrote: > You claim we haven't done anything and Netscape has. Where did I claim that? That is an example of a fact that you invented. Now provide an example of a fact that I invented. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because of the kind of animals that we James A. Donald are. True law derives from this right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state. jamesd(a)netcom.com

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Re: News->Mail & CMU's Andrew Message System
by cactus＠seabsd.hks.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In article <9412131824.AA13662(a)sulphur.osf.org>, Rich Salz <rsalz(a)osf.org> wrote: >> AMS is pretty strongly tied to AFS (now known as part of DCE) > >At some levels DCE's distributed file system (DFS) is "AFS version 5" (sic), >but not really. The original intent was that DFS was AFS with the IPC replaed >with secure DCE RPC, but there's a whole mess of protocol changes since then. > >They're different beasts. I stand corrected. FWIW, I was mentioning DCE mostly for context rather than any claim of interoperability. - -- Todd Masco | It's difficult to be loud about keeping your enumerated cactus(a)hks.net | rights when you're busy exercising your unenumerated ones. cactus(a)bb.com | http://www.hks.net/~cactus/cactus.html - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBLu4waCoZzwIn1bdtAQHU5wF8Cn2+2I3AmqnVPcmNTBke6jqaCNmZ0ljU FfYJlbG37TSZcKomZ2a12MG8VjuHKXgO =wkvs -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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NEW key distribution venue up and running!
by skaplin＠skypoint.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- After much angst the following is up and running. Special thanks to L. McCarthy and Sameer for the help. BTW-I've been having mail problems so this may show up a few times...apologies in advance. Sam Welcome!! This is the PGP public key distribution mailing list. The purpose of this list is to provide an easy and free method to distribute PGP public keys. The sole purpose of this list is to distribute PGP public keys. Any questions or problems with PGP should be posted in alt.security.pgp. All keys posted to this list are channeled to three different sources: 1) The subscribers of this list. 2) The keyservers 3) alt.security.keydist Please note that you do not have to be a subscriber to the list to post to the list. All messages addressed to pgp-public-keys(a)c2.org will be posted to the list. Because of this please post only PGP PUBLIC KEYS. The keyserver that this list posts to is a non-U.S.A. location. This is to provide support for all versions of PGP. A special note for users of AUTOPGP or similar utilities: AUTOPGP has the ability to directly take keys out of a mail packet. This feature coupled with this list can seamlesly update your key ring. To do this. 1) Subscribe to the list. 2) Configure AUTOPGP to automatically update your key ring. 3) Configure your offline mail reader to discard all message coming from the list. Offline AutoPGP is Copyright (c) 1993, 1994 by Felix Shareware and the author Stle Schumacher. All Rights Reserved. Please direct any questions or problems to: skaplin(a)skypoint.com PGP encrypted mail is accepted and encouraged. - - - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- To subscribe to the list, send a message to: majordomo(a)c2.org In the body of the message include: subscribe pgp-public-keys - - - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, send a message to: majordomo(a)c2.org In the body of the message include: unsubscribe pgp-public-keys - - - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ============================================================================== Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards. - Sren Kierkegaard, "Life" ============================================================================== skaplin(a)skypoint.com | "...vidi vici veni" - Overheard | outside a Roman brothel. PGP encrypted mail is accepted and | preferred. | Change is the only constant in the | Universe..."Four quarters, please." E-mail key(a)four11.com for PGP Key or | Finger skaplin(a)mirage.skypoint.com | Smile!! Big brother is watching. ============================================================================== - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: This message digitally signed to verify the identity of the sender iQEVAwUBLu5UdclnXxBRSgfNAQEWcQf9HC5s+rHX+14+ao0IhfIhdqvugDdf5YH8 VAx5oDVIyCm5HqmEp/wYRaYOnoFtIv4j7fa7jYfzvTL9tQGBfJ1ygh5KUo3r9Oqw hGn3iIkcylGquz/cvh2JUBFTowdueSII4180Bbj1xIElQJG2nPSh1KeALIjWqHJS Ch4nSnzwZaVCaY+tITTVTsWezX14UXjmITXU0TG2OpQaMC+Unzlj7EiWWQyqQ/k5 4UIGGLajPaif1AKyZBcv0anxrW88Wcfx16c2giV9sS7+3v6OWI2ItQMo94LfnWnl j78gmXW0dQ3+IIPs+0WmQsghFpPHXwMbtqnLa8O4IRcWMPGmJIxo4A== =bw2k - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBLu5XWyoZzwIn1bdtAQG7VgF/a7W7C0N3rwSf+RxurCmreBjsjQmP4DEj Kq+TpEQDjhwOvDgh+OLunv93rNr3IKI2 =+3lV -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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No Subject
by anonymous-remailer＠replay.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

perry shut the fuck up you arrogant dweeb

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Re: Using HotWIRED without provoking junk mail
by L. McCarthy 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > I get enough junk mail already, and I don't want vendors to be able to > capture market research at the browsing level (I haven't > looked at WIRED's server for precisely this reason). A while back someone established a HotWIRED account in the name "cypherpunks" with password "cypherpunks" to get around this. I make a point of mentioning that whenever I point someone to HotWIRED. I'm assuming here that they're not collecting identification data in some other way (if you're not using Netscape ;). - - -L. Futplex McCarthy; PGP key by finger or server "We've got computers, we're tapping phone lines; I know that that ain't allowed" --Talking Heads - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.1 iQCVAwUBLu55rGf7YYibNzjpAQExGwP/S0ahTCimJlYKQCK1DGjHbdSxcaovbHHI Ybtcw8iaGwYZxmEWcK5fM8tRqORV99oGUISdynMrFCw0VV+cvozot4q+GSMCpcND uIsSgkw/D3F3XWfWLtJDocme3Joot1cARfmo6lj7YmqBjHS2e27OOke8BQ2JeOBh 3wceidNaEKk= =fWzB - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBLu564ioZzwIn1bdtAQExZwF9EEHP+++Y3ODxhxSZPY3IeVSC0JtOc7vc xu2avrEaeNetk0yPogy1+tmjwb6JC2e8 =qVmS -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Encrypted Credit Card Numbers For Transmission....
by Hal 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: "L. McCarthy" <lmccarth(a)ducie.cs.umass.edu> > Incidentally, I just tried to get into HotWired using the "cypherpunks"/ > "cypherpunks" combo I recommended to Amanda earlier this evening. It didn't > work. I'm just about to re-register cypherpunks on it, so don't be surprised > to see a verification key sent to the list soon. I'll summarize to the list > once the new membership seems ready to go. It was "cypherpunk"/"cypherpunk", no "s". But that's OK, it doesn't hurt to have both. Hal

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expendable computer sites
by Pierre Uszynski 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Related to our earlier discussions about expendable computer sites: A quote from the article: The Ghost Board, by Autolycus, in 2600, v10, n3, autumn 1994, p11 "For a short period of time in the early 90's, one Ghost Board pioneer abandonned an AT (he'd purchased it for $40 at the Goodwill) on the roof of a rural supermarket. The AT was water-protected and hardwired into the store's power grid and the 2400 modem was spliced into the store's phone lines. This system operated for almost five months before it was (apparently) detected and shut down." (The rest of the article is anecdotes about hiding BBS's inside other BBS's.) Pierre. pierre(a)shell.portal.com

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Re: BofA+Netscape
by snyderra＠dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 4:18 PM 12/13/94, Jim McCoy wrote: >> The plug for crypto that they have placed in Netscape 0.96 is >> the number one force bringing crypto awareness to the masses. > >Increasing use of PGP is the number one force bringing crypto awareness to >the masses, Netscape is just bringing bad crypto to the masses. No. I could see the argument that PGP is bringing crypto to the masses. I can't see it bring crypto-awareness to the masses. In order to find and use PGP, you have to already be concern about privacy and cryptography. Netscape, on the other hand, by popping up the alert that this traffic isn't being encrypted, and may be evesdropped, is and will get the common folk to think about data security and confidentiality. A lot more people will probably use Netscape than PGP, and the people who use Netscape are the people to whom the wonders of encryption need to be shown. As to whether Netscape's crypto is good or bad, I'll leave that to the chest-pounding "IETF is life. IPSP should be all you need to be happy" folk. Personally, I'd prefer a standards based scheme, and it looks like the NCC folk are looking that way, despited the unwarranted abuse they are getting. >No, the correct response is to stop idotic measures before the build up >enough inertia behind them to make it difficult to prevent mistakes from >being made. It is interesting that the creators of Netscape quite >frequently harp on "it is us against the goliath of Microsoft, so we >deserve the support of the net" and then they go out and do exactly the >sort of thing that makes Microsoft so unpopular; they take advantage of >thier market position to force bad technology on others. They've said they are investigating it. They are here, and they are listening, and looking into it. What do you want of them? Bob -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6 iQCVAwUBLu7gyOS0CjsjWS0VAQGaiQP8CS+uIuxJRQFfP0HW7rrIe15EYvDC19Ry wLtDVoQYl/qeOWo8HyAG/bQ0n4WoHI0QP3a/wafI3fhTF0QBCHROPkVcpUcb0U5T lHGkFhR9+mS+A1hRL5ESKp5L8AYOH9x3r9RWxXDgvdRnWA0vVxEG1oiOiXW7t+Vj yYAJ7JNXEAc= =eKvE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Bob Snyder N2KGO MIME, PGP, RIPEM mail accepted snyderra(a)post.drexel.edu PGP & RIPEM keys on key servers When cryptography is outlawed, bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl.

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Re: THROUGH THE LOOKING GLASS
by snyderra＠dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 8:44 AM 12/13/94, Sandy Sandfort wrote: >Police are public officials. As such, they have no right to >privacy *with respect to their public acts*. When off duty, cops >have the same right as other citizens to privacy in their private >lives. I said my proposal was "anti- *bad* cop" and that it >would benefit good cops. Do I need to say that it would only >benefit good cops in the line of duty? It would be bad for >anyone--cops or civilians--in their private lives. > >Employees represent an intermediate position. If an employer is >foolish enough to require that employees be wired, 'sokay with >me. For most employees in most jobs, it would not be acceptable. >I think they would get jobs with less intrusive employers. Some >employers will wire some employees, whether or not the police are >wired. Wiring the cops is a good idea; arguments about wiring >employees and citizens are nothing more than red herrings used to >avoid addressing the real issue of police accountability. Arguably discussions about police abuses are red herrings used to avoid addressing the real issue of workplace monitoring. :-) I really don't want to know how many sips it takes an officer to finish a cup of coffee, or if the officer has a genital itch problem while sitting in a speed trap. I think this crosses the line. And where do we stop? Do we wire other federal employees? Does the secretary for a research group in the FDA need to be wired? It would be a short jump from this to private sector use, which I do oppose. Not everyone has the ability to pick and choose employment. This has wandered a bit off of Cryptological relevence. I don't plan to reply publically to this thread anymore, although I may do so privately. Bob -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6 iQCVAwUBLu7d0+S0CjsjWS0VAQGa+AP/YSoE66T9JsCFfKUp3spkqhhALYrEF42F SrfApj4YrNRCNHyfV60IOFQem0KZWee6FgzUQHRWjVpFy1Wz3HDZ/vpokCxwTdFi xqG3VbxXgFHm3eQZUTrKueCN5S+P3FkCccHpiz5zlx84619E6u9qH8Ckfak2DBG6 WFJcz4WkUrY= =BxtG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Bob Snyder N2KGO MIME, PGP, RIPEM mail accepted snyderra(a)post.drexel.edu PGP & RIPEM keys on key servers When cryptography is outlawed, bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl.

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Hey Martha! It's "The Invasion from Outer First Virtual" -rated Y (for Y-not)
by nsyfrig＠wppost.depaul.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

eric(a)remailer.net (Eric Hughes) wrote (among other things): Regardless of the security, users need to understand what it gives them. This is orthogonal to the choice of security, as well as to the persistence of thick-headedness in society. _________________(non-automatic divider line)___________________ I believe this is definitely a proverbial nail, and it has just been hit where it counts! Some evangelizing, education, and teamwork is definitely in order here. As implied, it doesn't just apply to the virtual world, but the real one as well.

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