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Re: Anonymous Remailer threat: Scientologists may subpoena anonymous remailerrecords?
by jwarren＠well.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com >Subject: Scientologists may subpoena anonymous remailer records >Date: Tue, 09 Apr 1996 19:02:39 -0700 >From: John Gilmore <gnu(a)toad.com> > >I thought that most or all of the cypherpunk anonymous remailers don't >keep records. Not even on backup tapes. The whole idea is that there >aren't logs. But maybe they have found some remailers that are >non-cypherpunk. ... My understanding is that anon remailers come in two flavors: All of then anonomize X's msg to Y before forwarding it to Y as being "from" anonymous source, Z. The first flavor keeps a record matching X with Z. This allows it to accept responses to Z that it then re-matches and forwards back to X. The second flavor simply forwards without retaining any matching records at all. Of course, this then prohibits responses to the original msg sender via that remailer. My understanding is that the most famous remailer, anon.penet.fi, is of the first flavor -- and was raided by reps of the Church of Scientology, several years ago, with a Finnish search warrant, and that this produced some [much?] of the evidence against their opponent who had allegedly been splattering COS copyrighted "works" all over the net. (Interesting application of private property rights -- protecting religious secrets.) --jim And ... if I were a surveillance-oriented government agency, I would insert "watchers" at appropriate regional and national hubs that would routinely and automatically monitor every message ever sent to every identified remailer -- so as to protect against those evil whistle-blowers who dare to expose such govt's arrogance, abuses and/or wrong-doing, and the one or two vile terrorists who are stupid enough to use the net for communications without using world-available uncrackable crypto (that are the U.S. govt's official excuse for wanting to wiretap us all.)

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Scientology harassing anon.penet.fi again!
by mirele＠xmission.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

forwarded from rnewman(a)cybercom.net (Ron Newman): Here's what Grady said to me in several messages. Note that they seem to be after anon.penet.fi again too. (He has given me blanket permission to distribute his e-mail to me to anyone who may find it of use.) ------- Date: Thu, 04 Apr 1996 08:52:38 -0800 To: rnewman(a)cybercom.net (Ron Newman) From: Grady Ward <grady(a)northcoast.com> I've just received e-mail from: kaj.malmberg(a)mallu.pp.fi (Kaj Malmberg) The Poilice CID in Helsinki who is being pushed by the criminal cult yet again to get a search warrant for Julf's anonymous remailer, claiming I have been violating my injunction to post cult crap. I told him that as usual the criminal cult is lying and that I gave him and Julf explicit permission to investigate any or all of my posts I have ever made through the remailer. The criminal cult is trying to use the fact of my injunction to further their own conspiracy theories. South Africa, Finland, where does it end? Grady ------------- Date: Fri, 05 Apr 1996 07:41:25 -0800 To: rnewman(a)cybercom.net (Ron Newman) From: Grady Ward <grady(a)northcoast.com> Subject: Re: Kaj Malmberg, Finland At 10:11 AM 4/5/96 -0500, you wrote: >Why did you give them this permission? I think it sets a VERY bad >precedent. Chris Schafmeister was upset when I mentioned this >on the IRC channel yesterday afternoon -- he thinks you're being >too nice, polite, and cooperative for your own good. I like to err on the side of openness. Each to their own I suppose. Basically I trust Kaj to sense who is the criminal perpetrator in this case. I also sent him the set of trial stipulations in the Snow White case that ought to give him very interesting background on the criminal cult. >In my opinion, Julf and the Finnish cop should Just Say No >to the CoS. He is still free to do as he wishes. ------------ Date: Tue, 09 Apr 1996 14:16:32 -0700 To: Ron Newman <rnewman(a)cybercom.net> From: Grady Ward <grady(a)northcoast.com> Subject: Re: a few more questions No one was with me. Total hours day one: 7.5 Total hours day two: 3.25 hours, as per order of Judge Infante. Also I believe all american anonymous remailers will be subpoenaed for their records as will all my ISPs, and contents of safety deposit box held as evidence. At 04:56 PM 4/9/96 -0400, you wrote: >Was anyone with you (on YOUR side) at either day's deposition? > >How many hours total did you go each day? > -------- Date: Tue, 09 Apr 1996 19:37:57 -0700 To: Ron Newman <rnewman(a)cybercom.net> From: Grady Ward <grady(a)northcoast.com> Subject: Re: what is the latest regarding penet? I don't know what's up today, but Julf wrote yesterday to tell me that my id grady(a)northcoast.com had NOT been used to go through his remailer. No word on what the police are doing to subpoena his system, if they are. Grady -------------- Date: Tue, 09 Apr 1996 22:57:26 -0700 To: rnewman(a)cybercom.net (Ron Newman) From: Grady Ward <grady(a)northcoast.com> Subject: Re: what is the latest regarding penet? That is all he told me: that he could verify to authorities that grady(a)northcoast.com had not used his remailer. He didn;t mention anyone else or how he was helping the CID with their inquiries. Yes, you can put this datum on the web. At 01:52 AM 4/10/96 -0500, you wrote: >Was something else used to go through his remailer? > >Has he said anything in public about this? > >Should I post your message about it on my web site? Grady Ward | | http://www.northcoast.com/~grady +1 707 826 7715 | | (voice/24hr FAX) | 34877c8566839cb7 | grady(a)northcoast.com | aeab8ec5e5ee97fe | -- Ron Newman rnewman(a)cybercom.net Web: http://www.cybercom.net/~rnewman/home.html mirele(a)xmission.com -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GAT d- s++ a C++ U P L E- W++ N++ o-- K++ w--- O++ PS++ PE-- Y+ PGP+ t 5 X-- R- tv-- b++ DI++ D++ G e++++ h+ r* x++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------

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CoS and anon remailers
by Jim Byrd 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Here's more details. For quite some time the Church of Scientology has been pestered by an anonymous poster "Scamizdat" who regularly has been spilling cult secrets onto the net. These include directions on how to harrass critics. Scamizdat (whoever he is or they are) appears to have been using anonymous chained remailers. Grady Ward, a critic of the cult, has been taunting the cult with "Have you stopped Scamizdat yet?" I believe that Grady is almost certainly NOT Scamizdat. The church appears to have concluded that Grady is Scamizdat, has sued him, applied for a writ of seizure to raid his house (denied), and asked for a deposition (granted). It appears that Scientology is interesting in getting into the records of American anon remailers. They are also interested in anon.penet.fi. Once before, they raided anon.penet.fi when some of their internal information leaked out onto the net, and that poster has never been heard from again. Someone asked if this wouldn't violate the ECPA. In the past the cult has seized whole computers, complete with email, and ignored court orders to return them. The whole story may be found on http://www.cybercom.net/~rnewman/scientology/home.html Here is a file I got from Ron Newman's web page: --------------- Article 78833 of alt.religion.scientology: Path: news.cybercom.net!dial2-30.cybercom.net!user From: rnewman(a)cybercom.net (Ron Newman) Newsgroups: alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.religion.scientology,comp.org.eff.talk Subject: Warning - Scientology attacking remailers again! Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 11:15:40 -0500 Organization: Cyber Access Internet Services (617) 396-0491 Lines: 138 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <rnewman-1004961115400001(a)dial2-30.cybercom.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dial2-30.cybercom.net Keywords: Scientology remailers anon penet anonymous Grady Ward Xref: news.cybercom.net alt.privacy.anon-server:3524 alt.religion.scientology:78833 comp.org.eff.talk:25569 The following are a series of messages from Grady Ward, which he has authorized me to distribute to the Net at large. Grady is being sued by the Church of Scientology for alleged copyright violation (they claim he is the mysterious "Scamizdat", which he denies.) For more details, see http://www.cybercom.net/~rnewman/scientology/grady/home.html http://www.northcoast.com/~grady/ According to Grady, the CoS has once again demanded access to anon.penet.fi, and may soon subpoena other remailers as well: ------- Date: Thu, 04 Apr 1996 08:52:38 -0800 To: rnewman(a)cybercom.net (Ron Newman) From: Grady Ward <grady(a)northcoast.com> I've just received e-mail from: kaj.malmberg(a)mallu.pp.fi (Kaj Malmberg) The Poilice CID in Helsinki who is being pushed by the criminal cult yet again to get a search warrant for Julf's anonymous remailer, claiming I have been violating my injunction to post cult crap. I told him that as usual the criminal cult is lying and that I gave him and Julf explicit permission to investigate any or all of my posts I have ever made through the remailer. The criminal cult is trying to use the fact of my injunction to further their own conspiracy theories. South Africa, Finland, where does it end? Grady ------------- Date: Fri, 05 Apr 1996 07:41:25 -0800 To: rnewman(a)cybercom.net (Ron Newman) From: Grady Ward <grady(a)northcoast.com> Subject: Re: Kaj Malmberg, Finland At 10:11 AM 4/5/96 -0500, you wrote: >Why did you give them this permission? I think it sets a VERY bad >precedent. [deleted] was upset when I mentioned this >yesterday afternoon -- he thinks you're being >too nice, polite, and cooperative for your own good. I like to err on the side of openness. Each to their own I suppose. Basically I trust Kaj to sense who is the criminal perpetrator in this case. I also sent him the set of trial stipulations in the Snow White case that ought to give him very interesting background on the criminal cult. >In my opinion, Julf and the Finnish cop should Just Say No >to the CoS. He is still free to do as he wishes. ------------ Date: Tue, 09 Apr 1996 14:16:32 -0700 To: Ron Newman <rnewman(a)cybercom.net> From: Grady Ward <grady(a)northcoast.com> Subject: Re: a few more questions At 04:56 PM 4/9/96 -0400, you wrote: >Was anyone with you (on YOUR side) at either day's deposition? > >How many hours total did you go each day? No one was with me. Total hours day one: 7.5 Total hours day two: 3.25 hours, as per order of Judge Infante. Also I believe all american anonymous remailers will be subpoenaed for their records as will all my ISPs, and contents of safety deposit box held as evidence. -------- Date: Tue, 09 Apr 1996 19:37:57 -0700 To: Ron Newman <rnewman(a)cybercom.net> From: Grady Ward <grady(a)northcoast.com> Subject: Re: what is the latest regarding penet? I don't know what's up today, but Julf wrote yesterday to tell me that my id grady(a)northcoast.com had NOT been used to go through his remailer. No word on what the police are doing to subpoena his system, if they are. Grady -------------- Date: Tue, 09 Apr 1996 22:57:26 -0700 To: rnewman(a)cybercom.net (Ron Newman) From: Grady Ward <grady(a)northcoast.com> Subject: Re: what is the latest regarding penet? At 01:52 AM 4/10/96 -0500, you wrote: >Was something else used to go through his remailer? > >Has he said anything in public about this? > >Should I post your message about it on my web site? That is all he told me: that he could verify to authorities that grady(a)northcoast.com had not used his remailer. He didn;t mention anyone else or how he was helping the CID with their inquiries. Yes, you can put this datum on the web. -------------- Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 07:17:01 -0700 To: rnewman(a)cybercom.net (Ron Newman) From: Grady Ward <grady(a)northcoast.com> Subject: Re: what is the latest regarding penet? Ron, Yes do please distribute my messages as you deem necessary. Some people ought to be aware of what is coming down. My feeling is that they will be doing anything they can to attempt to produce "hard evidence" that I am part of the Grand Conspiracy. I would say it is virtually certain that U.S. anon remailers will be subpoenaed as well as any foreign ones in which they can handle the authorities. Grady Ward | | http://www.northcoast.com/~grady +1 707 826 7715 | | (voice/24hr FAX) | 34877c8566839cb7 | grady(a)northcoast.com | aeab8ec5e5ee97fe | -- Ron Newman rnewman(a)cybercom.net Web: http://www.cybercom.net/~rnewman/home.html

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No Subject
by yoji fujita 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Message not deliverable
by JonWienke＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Subj: Message not deliverable >Date: 96-04-10 11:51:09 EDT >From: Administrator_at_DCACINTS(a)dca.com (Administrator) >To: JonWienke(a)aol.com [body text deleted] Has anyone else been getting these when they post to cpunks? I get one every time I post. I emailed the administrator at dca.com, a few weeks ago, but nothing has changed. Anyone got suggestions? Jonathan Wienke

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DCSB: Gold Denominated Burmese Opium Futures?
by rah＠shipwright.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- The Digital Commerce Society of Boston (Formerly The Boston Society for Digital Commerce) Presents Perry E. Metzger "Possible Futures: The Impact of Ubiquitous High Speed Networking on Intermediation and Regulation" or "With Spring Street Brewing shares trading on the web, are gold denominated Burmese opium futures inevitable?" *Monday*, May 6, 1996 12 - 2 PM The Downtown Harvard Club of Boston One Federal Street, Boston, MA Perry Metzger is the President of Piermont Information Systems Inc., a consulting firm specializing in communications and computer systems security. He has worked for, or consulted to, the New York financial community for most of the last decade. He has been strongly involved with the Internet Engineering Task Force's security area for some time, and is the author of several security related RFCs. He is also the co-chair of the IETF's Simple Public Key Infrastructure working group, which is developing public key cryptographic standards for the internet. Networking technology is racing far ahead of culture. Fiber optics offer the possibility of cheap truly ubiquitous internet service in the tens of gigabits per second within the decade, and cheap high speed mobile connectivity is also likely. We will likely live in a world where anyone can sit in a park with a cheap laptop and communicate over a multi-megabit per second channel to any other civilized location on the planet. This development may radically change our culture, and with it the nature of regulation and intermediation in the marketplace. Although opium futures trading might not be inevitable, the scope of the trends we are facing should not be underestimated. Mr. Metzger will discuss these and similar developments; he will also discuss the limits to our ability to predict or alter the course such changes will take. This meeting of the Digital Commerce Society of Boston will be held on *Monday*, May 6, 1996 from 12pm - 2pm at the Downtown Branch of the Harvard Club of Boston, One Federal Street. The price for lunch is $27.50. This price includes lunch, room rental, and the speaker's lunch. ;-). The Harvard Club *does* have a jacket and tie dress code. Please note that this meeting is on *Monday* this month, due to a scheduling problem at the Harvard Club. We go back to meeting on the first Tuesday of the month in June. We need to receive a company check, or money order, (or if we *really* know you, a personal check) payable to "The Harvard Club of Boston", by Saturday, March 30, or you won't be on the list for lunch. Checks payable to anyone else but The Harvard Club of Boston will have to be sent back. Checks should be sent to Robert Hettinga, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, Massachusetts, 02131. Again, they *must* be made payable to "The Harvard Club of Boston". If anyone has questions, or has a problem with these arrangements (We've had to work with glacial A/P departments more than once, for instance), please let us know via e-mail, and we'll see if we can work something out. Planned speakers for the following few months are: June Dan Shutzer FSTC July Pete Loshin Author, "Electronic Commerce" August Duane Hewitt Idea Futures We are actively searching for future speakers. If you are in Boston on the first Tuesday of the month, and you would like to make a presentation to the Society, please send e-mail to the DCSB Program Commmittee, care of Robert Hettinga, rah(a)shipwright.com . For more information about the Digital Commerce Society of Boston, send "info dcsb" in the body of a message to majordomo(a)ai.mit.edu . If you want to subscribe to the DCSB e-mail list, send "subscribe dcsb" in the body of a message to majordomo(a)ai.mit.edu . Looking forward to seeing you there! Cheers, Robert Hettinga Moderator, The Digital Commerce Society of Boston -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMWv8/PgyLN8bw6ZVAQGu/gQAkdtTIsK6rbboD6NRVjpZD8WFMXgZGlOB 5MA4znnY/XC6qNvVseRRq0wcPukNsGoQdCE8LwwqS2oWdyMXlWdUO7RK+CgCvOGj 48HjCVcgItM4V3BW9W5CM897zBWAwfcCkfbzngwuhzinu0MHWgPK/MMSFX73/dtH 2kg/41CA6MM= =Tfdk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "Reality is not optional." --Thomas Sowell The e$ Home Page: http://thumper.vmeng.com/pub/rah/

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Re: Scientologists may subpoena anonymous remailer records?
by Declan B. McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message begins here ---------- Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 11:38:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)eff.org> To: fight-censorship+(a)andrew.cmu.edu cc: rnewman(a)cybercom.net, grady(a)northcoast.com, kaj.malmberg(a)mallu.pp.fi, sthomson(a)netcom.com Subject: Re: Anonymous Remailer threat: Scientologists may subpoena anonymous remailer records? Ron, thanks for the background about the CoS's renewed attempts to get a search warrant for anon.penet.fi. I hope you don't get dragged into this any more than you already are. Grady Ward writes below, in a message dated this morning: > I would say it is virtually certain that U.S. anon remailers will > be subpoenaed as well as any foreign ones in which they can handle > the authorities. Yikes! Jim's alert was timely. -Declan [This message is archived at http://fight-censorship.dementia.org/top/] // declan(a)eff.org // I do not represent the EFF // declan(a)well.com // Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 10:18:35 -0500 From: Ron Newman <rnewman(a)cybercom.net> Subject: Re: Clams subpoena'ing anonymous remailer records? Here's what Grady said to me in several messages. Note that they seem to be after anon.penet.fi again too. (He has given me blanket permission to distribute his e-mail to me to anyone who may find it of use.) ------- Date: Thu, 04 Apr 1996 08:52:38 -0800 To: rnewman(a)cybercom.net (Ron Newman) From: Grady Ward <grady(a)northcoast.com> I've just received e-mail from: kaj.malmberg(a)mallu.pp.fi (Kaj Malmberg) The Poilice CID in Helsinki who is being pushed by the criminal cult yet again to get a search warrant for Julf's anonymous remailer, claiming I have been violating my injunction to post cult crap. I told him that as usual the criminal cult is lying and that I gave him and Julf explicit permission to investigate any or all of my posts I have ever made through the remailer. The criminal cult is trying to use the fact of my injunction to further their own conspiracy theories. South Africa, Finland, where does it end? Grady ------------- Date: Fri, 05 Apr 1996 07:41:25 -0800 To: rnewman(a)cybercom.net (Ron Newman) From: Grady Ward <grady(a)northcoast.com> Subject: Re: Kaj Malmberg, Finland At 10:11 AM 4/5/96 -0500, you wrote: >Why did you give them this permission? I think it sets a VERY bad >precedent. Chris Schafmeister was upset when I mentioned this >on the IRC channel yesterday afternoon -- he thinks you're being >too nice, polite, and cooperative for your own good. I like to err on the side of openness. Each to their own I suppose. Basically I trust Kaj to sense who is the criminal perpetrator in this case. I also sent him the set of trial stipulations in the Snow White case that ought to give him very interesting background on the criminal cult. >In my opinion, Julf and the Finnish cop should Just Say No >to the CoS. He is still free to do as he wishes. ------------ Date: Tue, 09 Apr 1996 14:16:32 -0700 To: Ron Newman <rnewman(a)cybercom.net> From: Grady Ward <grady(a)northcoast.com> Subject: Re: a few more questions [Regarding the depositions. --Declan] No one was with me. Total hours day one: 7.5 Total hours day two: 3.25 hours, as per order of Judge Infante. Also I believe all american anonymous remailers will be subpoenaed for their records as will all my ISPs, and contents of safety deposit box held as evidence. At 04:56 PM 4/9/96 -0400, you wrote: >Was anyone with you (on YOUR side) at either day's deposition? > >How many hours total did you go each day? > -------- Date: Tue, 09 Apr 1996 19:37:57 -0700 To: Ron Newman <rnewman(a)cybercom.net> From: Grady Ward <grady(a)northcoast.com> Subject: Re: what is the latest regarding penet? I don't know what's up today, but Julf wrote yesterday to tell me that my id grady(a)northcoast.com had NOT been used to go through his remailer. No word on what the police are doing to subpoena his system, if they are. Grady -------------- Date: Tue, 09 Apr 1996 22:57:26 -0700 To: rnewman(a)cybercom.net (Ron Newman) From: Grady Ward <grady(a)northcoast.com> Subject: Re: what is the latest regarding penet? That is all he told me: that he could verify to authorities that grady(a)northcoast.com had not used his remailer. He didn;t mention anyone else or how he was helping the CID with their inquiries. Yes, you can put this datum on the web. At 01:52 AM 4/10/96 -0500, you wrote: >Was something else used to go through his remailer? > >Has he said anything in public about this? > >Should I post your message about it on my web site? Grady Ward | | http://www.northcoast.com/~grady +1 707 826 7715 | | (voice/24hr FAX) | 34877c8566839cb7 | grady(a)northcoast.com | aeab8ec5e5ee97fe | -- Ron Newman rnewman(a)cybercom.net Web: http://www.cybercom.net/~rnewman/home.html Here are some other messages that Grady sent me in the last few days. I'll put some of this on my web site in the near future. ------------ Date: Tue, 09 Apr 1996 13:34:20 -0700 To: rnewman(a)cybercom.net (Ron Newman) From: Grady Ward <grady(a)northcoast.com> Subject: Re: deposition At 11:05 AM 4/9/96 -0500, you wrote: >When are the remaining 1.5 hours of deposition scheduled? >Are you holding firm to the 9 hour limit? I held firm to my nine hour limit; they held firm to their 2+ day limit. Hogan called me a "liar" on the record, a term I reciprocated on the record. This time there were a lot of questions about you two, Ron and Shelley. I predict that you two will be served a subpoena soon to either be deposed yourself or to have your e-mail and archives produced in evidence. We got onto the phone with Judge Infante and he told us to finish by 12:15. Which we did. The only other issue is that the cult wanted to immediately seize my safety deposit box contents. I asked that any seizures be made pursuant to a Special Master or other neutral party taking control and analyzing the significance of the contents of the backup disks therein. We got back on the phone with Infante and while he did not sanction the seizure by the scientologists, he did "freeze" the contents so as to preserve possible evidence. Grady We finished as per the Judges order at 12:15. The criminal cultists were somewhat unhappy at their interrogation being cut short. One strange man whose picture I will post soon was apparently the go-between between Warren McShane and ??? (speculating David Miscavige/OSA). The receptionist said she had not seen as many faxes in one day as had come to her office during my deposition. He was constantly ferrying stuff from the fax to McShane and Kobrin or constantly talking on a cellphone. But he and McShane looked for the world as simply carrying out their master's orders. ------------- Date: Tue, 09 Apr 1996 13:36:27 -0700 To: rnewman(a)cybercom.net (Ron Newman) From: Grady Ward <grady(a)northcoast.com> Subject: Re: who were the CoS lawyers who deposed you? Hogan and Eric Lieberman. Both were assisted by Kobrin and McShane. Also in the room was a cult computer expert, and a couple of helpers for Lieberman and McShane. ---------- Date: Tue, 09 Apr 1996 13:41:46 -0700 To: rnewman(a)cybercom.net (Ron Newman) From: Grady Ward <grady(a)northcoast.com> Subject: Re: Henson page added, Grady page updated Today's deposition realaudio will be available as depo_7 through depo_10 in about an hour at my site. You were the topic of some detailed questions about e-mail and phone conversations. ------------ To: Ron Newman <rnewman(a)cybercom.net> From: Grady Ward <grady(a)northcoast.com> Subject: Re: who did they ask about in the depo, besides Shelley and me? At 06:38 PM 4/9/96 -0400, you wrote: >Someone listened to one of the files and noticed that they asked >about Maureen Garde. Who else did they ask about? They were most interested in *you*, then Jeff Jacobsen, then Keith Henson, then each of the other list people in turn. If I were a betting man, I would say you are going to be subpoenaed to be deposed real soon now. -------------- Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 07:17:01 -0700 To: rnewman(a)cybercom.net (Ron Newman) From: Grady Ward <grady(a)northcoast.com> Subject: Re: what is the latest regarding penet? Ron, Yes do please distribute my messages as you deem necessary. Some people ought to be aware of what is coming down. My feeling is that they will be doing anything they can to attempt to produce "hard evidence" that I am part of the Grand Conspiracy. I would say it is virtually certain that U.S. anon remailers will be subpoenaed as well as any foreign ones in which they can handle the authorities. I did tell you that they sprung a surpise motion on me and Judge Infante during day #2 of the deposition by asking him if their computer expert could make copies of the contents thereof to look for contraband? I objected on the grounds that it was a thinly disguised seizure request (which had already been denied by Judge Whyte) and that the box contained much private material such as letters to my wife, etc. The judge did agree to another motion however made by Hogan to "freeze" the contents of the box to "preserve evidence". Obviously any motion that they make to examine the contents will be met by a demand that only a mutually agree 3rd party using an agreed upon protocol (i.e. grepping for an agreed list of patterns) will be permitted. No mass copying, no random cult fishing. Grady Ward | | http://www.northcoast.com/~grady +1 707 826 7715 | | (voice/24hr FAX) | 34877c8566839cb7 | grady(a)northcoast.com | aeab8ec5e5ee97fe |

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Information From The Microsoft Personal Information Center
by mscompia＠microsoft.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Here is your password you requested from the Microsoft Personal Information Center at http://register.microsoft.com/regwiz/personalinfo.asp. Password: cypherpunks If you continue to have access problems or want to report other issues, please contact us through the Write Us button at the top of any Microsoft page.

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Digital Cash Escrow
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:14 PM 4/10/96, Bill Stewart wrote: >Of course, if you happen to become dead while you're storing it, >the paper cash is far more useful to your heirs, so I assume we'll have >a government-sponsored cash-escrow system announced soon to protect >the government's interest in collection of inheritance taxes... Don't give them ideas, Bill! They are known to monitor our list for insights into what to regulate next, and I can see the 15-watt lightbulbs going on over their heads as they ponder the wonderful opportunities presented by "digital cash escrow." --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 - 1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Bay Area Meeting on Saturday?
by iang＠cs.berkeley.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- So, will there be a Bay Area meeting on Saturday? Where? etc... - Ian -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMWxHeUZRiTErSPb1AQHzlAP+N3q0syVT6pmrEDDUGfY7spKqJQkFDtcU HFbzihOAHsYLzgERQoi5yLe4487ApKTpqR8ohly28R0ZLA98tV0Ev/8KHaHYJxTn /3BAL/Xj2jtVS2gvKBzyshUnh7QqyZeq1jmV4Y+lRigFggiJgENrWSnJLKfr5zwM csc/0838gqw= =LcIY -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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