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Sen. Kennedy Uses Code to Disguise Personal Data!
by cfrye＠ciis.mitre.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Fellow 'punks - This comes from the National Journal and it sure as hell ain't an April Fools Day joke. Read the last line carefully! -----No. 5 of 40------------------------ 04/02/94 -- (C) 1994 National Journal (LEGI-SLATE Article No. 201346) Inside Washington - Here's a Real Weighty Matter "National Journal" Saturday, April 2, 1994 Page 759 Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass., used the recent death of Senate gym attendant Troy Brown as an opportunity to discuss his own much-noted waistline problems. Brown, Kennedy told his colleages in late March, helped him monitor his tendency "to gain a few pounds on occasion." While reassuring the Senator that it had been OK to graze on eggs Benedict that morning, Brown discreetly recorded Kennedy's weight in the back of the gym book so that no other Senator could see them. "I knew he was on my side," Kennedy added, "when he volunteered to keep my numbers in code." -- Best regards, Curtis D. Frye - Job Search Underway!!! cfrye(a)ciis.mitre.org or cfrye(a)mason1.gmu.edu "Here today, gone ?????"

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going in anarchic circles
by tmp＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: Grand Epopt Feotus <68954(a)brahms.udel.edu> > I comprehend my own brand of crypto/cyber-anarchy. I > personally do not go for any of the regulations or > "protections" that have been proposed so far. IMO, if > you want to put your machine on the net, take your > chances. It's getting very cheap to set up a node now, > and if I choose to do so I would not take kindly to any > restrictions upon my activity, be it legal, or illegal > even. ok, suppose that every internet company decided that they would install `fingerprint keyboards' and require use of them by users. these keyboards sense your fingerprints as you type on the keyboard and can be used to reject users not authorized to use a given account. they simply tell people who do not want to use the system, `tough luck'. in a sense, this is something like how our social security system and drivers licensing works today. there are few (legal) alternatives to them. so, how do you get a connection to this net? you are probably going to propose `starting a new net without these draconian restrictions'. but what you have done is propose a new set of rules -- `we don't need no stinkin rules'. how is your system going to deal with sites that corrupt passed mail? that harbor hackers and crackers? it really amazes me guys, but if you think the internet is some kind of anarchy right now,you are completely mistaken. you agree to a set of rules when you join the net. those rules are set by your provider. you agree not to corrupt mail you forward, don't mailbomb usenet, etc. currently there are many `unspoken rules' -- but it makes sense for them to be codified so that everyone understands what they can expect of each other. there is no guarantee of your access to the current net. doesn't that seem kind of fragile? you think you don't have to have any faith? it seems you have a lot of faith you will always be able to get a connection to the internet. why not try to set up a system or organization that is committed to formalizing the rights and expectations of users on the net and specifying what constitutes `basic access'? > Myself, I would much rather take the lumps of some > abuse, rather than have ANY regualtion put on my usage of > my personal node, or interaction between connected nodes. ok, so i set up a node that randomly corrupts all the mail that i pass through my site. i mailbomb the cypherpunks list and all the remailers. how do you deal with it? you send shrieking mail to all my upstream site providers asking them to yank me. what if i have bribed them all very lucratively? what if they decide that you don't pay enough, so they are going to yank you instead? (not worth the hassle of your insults, after all) what if i have dozens of accounts on different public domain sites? i seem to be going in circles here. > This makes room for alot of abuse, I admit that, but I > just don't see how all these Bill-O-CyberRights stuff, > and CyberKommunity will work when your dealing with a > space that has no boundary. This is a metric space, whos > distances are measured in connectivity, there are no real > boundaries as the are easily breached and morphed. excuse me, mr. idealist, but you live in a world that no one would recognize as their own. cyberspace exists only because people have constructed it. you cannot escape that interaction of a community. no man is an island. what guarantees you will have a connection to the network today? absolutely nothing. it is just your faith in the great cybergods. cyberspace is nothing but crystallized human interaction. how do you deal with the `pathological' cases of human behavior such as harassment, terrorism, censorship, etc? > How the hell are you going to evict > me if I break one of the laws? There is no way you can > develop a fool-proof system to control use, I even > seriously doubt you can install a shitty system even. unix passwords represent a reasonable amount of security. they prevent me from hijacking your account. more sophisticated levels exist. look, you are evicted from your apartment if you don't pay your rent. it is just as simple to evict someone from their cyberspatial connection, and throw out all their furniture on the street!! believe me, it has happened to me twice!! > Basically if I want to do something, it will get done. > The whole concept of a police force controlling > cyberspace is a leap back about a billion evolution > cycles. You can't patrol an amorphous blob. don't think of it as `us vs. them'. think of it as `us' erecting our own framework of self-regulation. it would allow `us' to get rid of the detweilers of the world in our community. cyberspace is not an amorphous Gibsonian blob!! it is a physical infrastructure policed by humans as simply as our physical roads are!! the police already exist, they are called `system administrators', except they have no uniform code of conduct today, except `if something pisses me off, disconnect it'. > If they dont like what my node is doing, than cut > connections to my node. what if you wake up one day and find that all the people you want to talk to, and you thought were your friends, all on a separate network, and you are isolated with Detweiler, Depew, Morris, and Mitnick on the AnarchyNet? > I would > actually prefer the possibility to Detwielering so to > speak,than to allow someone to try and control this. If hee, hee, suit yourself.... > You are unable to hold someone > accountable for their own deeds in a space like > kyberspace where psuedonyms are part of the fabric of the > space. cyberspace is what we make it. if no name is ever connected to a human, it can be constructed that way. if identity is important (as most of human history seems to imply) we can translate it into the new realm. but you are continuously mixing up what is possible with what you want. if you don't want something that is possible, then it's possibility is irrelevant. why don't you just preface your remarks by saying `i only want a version of cyberspace where no one is responsible for their actions!!' and i'd just leave it alone. as it stands you argue that cyberspace = anarchy by definition. i cannot agree. this dialogue appears to be at the point of arguing two different religions, so it is not very fruitful for any of us, but if grand epopt feotus represents the basic cypherpunk views, then i find it all very fascinating. you guys realize that you have a very unusual culture that is highly distinct from virtually any other culture ... at least that i am aware of. you do seem to have some parallels to the russian nihilists, some of the libertarians, some of the anarchists, but you have a very distinct blend of it .... anyway, it is all kind of bizarrely alien to me, so maybe i will check out that cyberwonk group or whatever that eli brandt mentioned and see if anyone there is on the same wavelength. pseudonymously yours, --tmp

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CRYPT
by Ryan Snyder--Consultant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I am trying to crack a textfile which has been encrypted with a program (for the IBM) called CRYPT. Can anyone help me with a method, a program which will break it, or a pointer to more information on how I might go about it? Thanks in advance. Ryan Snyder, Consultant | --->Finger me for my PGP public key.<--- ___ University of Montana CIS| |\ /| CS000RRS(a)SELWAY.UMT.EDU | Copyright 1994 by Ryan R. Snyder. | 0 | RYE(a)ILLUMINATI.IO.COM | |/_\| RYE(a)CYBERSPACE.ORG |

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Re: The AntiCash -- was: Electronic Purse Press Release
by nobody＠soda.berkeley.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Will I be able to buy these cards with (real, physical) cash at local stores? Will I be able to swap them with strangers?

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Re: VISA Electronic Purse
by lefty＠apple.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Gosh, how many Real Men are going to carry an electronic "purse?" I suppose you'd have to hire some Virtual Man to carry it for you. -- Lefty (lefty(a)apple.com) C:.M:.C:., D:.O:.D:.

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CYPHERPUNK CRIMINAL shirts (?)
by Philippe Nave 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hello all, Have the CYPHERPUNK CRIMINAL shirts been shipped out yet? I used to have Christian Void's e-mail address, but I blew up my mail file in a fit of incompetence.... We now return you to black holes, chess games, and the Bill of Rights. - -- ........................................................................ Philippe D. Nave, Jr. | Strong Crypto: Don't leave $HOME without it! pdn(a)dwroll.dw.att.com | Denver, Colorado USA | PGP public key: by arrangement. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a iQCVAgUBLaHqpwvlW1K2YdE1AQHvsAQAhpGyfdknItqSzo35V4TOeusrHTNhlKNR M5HdGJ3M7dxfH4EVmQZqKRtaapjF2IjCnxsyAb1HAUbPmg4XzS+N6zN54zRGPCWY 7fseS5lBsCMNeDv1EIK4BjD7vI/VugdpkXGmFANtii0TIjXpKHo1lCWuJtplR2uE vWxyp1MuFcg= =/uF4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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re: CRYPT
by werner＠mc.ab.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Date: Tue, 5 Apr 1994 13:25:38 -0600 (MDT) >From: Ryan Snyder--Consultant <cs000rrs(a)selway.umt.edu> >I am trying to crack a textfile which has been encrypted with a program >(for the IBM) called CRYPT. Can anyone help me with a method, a program >which will break it, or a pointer to more information on how I might go >about it? Thanks in advance. This reminds me of cwb, I think, or else it's cbw (stands for codebreaker's workbench), that is supposedly a tool for breking crypt-ed text. I tried to make this tool work a couple of times, and never got it working. One fellow I corresponded with said it worked for him right out of the box. I eventually decided that it didn't work for me at least partly because it was too dependent on the vt220 display. I never actually ran it on a vt220. Did anyone ever do any work to improve cbw (or cwb)? Everyone is always saying what a joke crypt is, but I've never been able to crack it with anything I got on the net. What do people really use to break (BSD) crypted text? tw

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Re: PGP mail disabled ???
by danisch＠ira.uka.de 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Well, email can only transfer ASCII data, so my first guess would be that > you forgot the '-a' option to apply ASCII armour. No, of course they were using the -a option and the mail was normal ASCII armoured. Hadmut

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Jamie Lawrence
by dwomack＠runner.utsa.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I regret that I'm not able to read your metashell messages...would it be possible to send me your email address otherwise.. a plain text type perhaps? I think you're looking for a copy of Burn 2.0...but I can't send it until I can find an address! (Sorry for the waste of bandwidth...) Regards, Dave

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CHESS: max # of games
by Karl Lui Barrus 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Chesspunks, Since this thread won't seem to die, I thought I might (hopefully) present an argument that will convince you who are interested that there are a finite number of chess games. A chess game may end by checkmate, resignation, statemate, or draw. The draw category is important: it can be agreed or forced. Draws are forced when: * the same position repeats three times. This is commonly used to end games by "perpetual check". * 50 moves pass and no pawn is moved, or piece captured I've never seen this invoked, but it could happen if say one player doesn't have enough material to checkmate the other. E.g. white has a king and black has a king and bishop. Checkmate is impossible so the game will eventually end. Or the players could be smart enough to realize no win is possible and draw the game right there. So, there are a finite number of moves in a game. In fact, the following is excerpted from the FAQ for rec.games.chess: > How long is the longest possible chess game? > The basic idea is a player may claim a draw if fifty moves elapse without a > capture or a pawn advance. Ignoring the special cases where more than 50 > moves are allowed by the rules, the answer is after Black's 5948th move, > White is able to claim a draw. The simple calculation is (<Pawn_moves> + > <Captures> - <Duplicates> + <Drawing_interval_grace_period>) * > <Drawing_interval>, or (16*6 + 30 - 8 + 1) * 50 = 5950; we're able to trim > two moves from this total by observing that sequences of Captures/Pawn_moves > must have (at least) 4 alternations between the two players. Now, as an EXTREMELY LOOSE upper bound on the number of positions possible, allowing illegal positions, not differentiating between the various pieces, etc.... chessboards have 64 squares, white has 16 pieces and black has 16 pieces. There are 64!/32! ways to place the pieces (1st piece gets 64 choices, 2nd gets 63, on down to the last which gets 33 choices). 64!/32! = 4.8222 10^53. (Right? No combinations or permutations here). Again, this allows ALL positions, even illegal positions and position which are othewise impossible. So I calculate the ABSOLUTE maximum number of games to be (4.8222 10^53) ^ 5048 = 1.0516 10^270993 I don't see how it is possible under the rules to have more; indeed the true number is FAR less. While this number is pretty big, it is less than infinity. And send followup questions to me and not the list. Karl Barrus <klbarrus(a)owlnet.rice.edu> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a iQCVAgUBLaIdN4OA7OpLWtYzAQFNawQAsemEdO6pQlbwDhiNboNp5pR2Xs54bfCe TCECI70wwtLToaQU76KSz0pRcZLrrkbOX9R4AfJlEWBF7Ae+TVs495xx8QzMHADs KgHej8Y7BIncTrUcE9Y76yH299tHEyB/5yJW+/mNB+8XYRivLpdpxZ+udXwcpeZX wo/AzrmkJvU= =T5rF -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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