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Re: Truelly Random Numbers
by Mutant Rob 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Tim Fulbright wrote: > > Now I, a lurker for two months, am truelly confused! L. Deitweiler must be > right. Surely one of you cyperpunk fellows could hack together a dongle with > some kind of AD converter and buffer ram to gather a Truelly Random Bitstream > off the environment every couple of milliseconds easier than this raindrop > scheme or recording the fan, you're haviung me on!. Let's go back [..] The raindrop scheme was (politely) laughed off. As for the fan recording scheme, it's a good make-do-with-what-you-already-have method, as opposed to buying and/or building a card. A 'simple AD converter' isn't so simple. Especially if you want to be sure you really have random noise and not something else that just looks random. - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBMTz0nSoZzwIn1bdtAQGl6QF+P1V62qg+Mf5K+VN3q0Y1e6/A4EO4uLLr WNxAbtE+OxQXFKnP7ajFUFBbnDLJxLmx =4ysY -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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FCC and Internet telephones
by Ernest Hua 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dost my ears deceive me? Is this true? Ern -------- INCLUDED MESSAGE FCC Asked to Stop Net Phones A trade association of long distance phone service carriers has asked the Federal Communications Commission to halt companies from selling software and hardware products that enable use of the Internet for long distance voice services. In a statement from Washington, the America's Carriers Telecommunication Association says it "submits that it is incumbent upon the FCC to exercise jurisdiction over the use of the Internet for unregulated interstate and international telecommunications services." A growing number of companies sell such software with ancillary hardware for transmitting and receiving voice over the Net, which, says the statement, "creates the ability to 'by-pass' local, long distance and international carriers and allows for calls to be made for virtually 'no cost.'" "For example," adds the ACTA statement, "online service providers generally charge users around $10 for five hours of access and then around $3 for each additional hour. Five hours equals 300 minutes, divided by $10 is 3.3 cents per minute. The average residential long distance telephone call costs about 22 cents per minute or seven times as much." Long-distance and international telephone service carriers must be approved by the FCC to operate and must file tariffs before both the FCC and state public service commissions. All of these requirements are stipulated in the Communications Act of 1934 and the Telecommunications Act of 1996. Says ACTA, "Technology may once again be surpassing government's ability to control its proper use. However, the misuse of the Internet as a way to 'by-pass' the traditional means of obtaining long distance service could result in a significant reduction of the Internet's ability to transport its ever enlarging amount of data traffic." Specifically, ACTA petitions the FCC to define the type of permissible communications that may be effected over the Internet.

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DNSSEC (was: A brief comparison of email encryption protocols)
by Donald E. Eastlake 3rd 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Tue, 5 Mar 1996, Carl Ellison wrote: > Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 00:34:41 -0500 > >From: Adam Shostack <adam(a)homeport.org> > >Subject: Re: A brief comparison of email encryption protocols > >To: ericm(a)lne.com (Eric Murray) > >Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 21:18:41 -0500 (EST) > >Cc: ericm(a)lne.com, perry(a)piermont.com, cme(a)cybercash.com, warlord(a)mit.edu, > > lgl(a)qualcomm.com, Cypherpunks(a)toad.com > > ... > > > >| Along those lines, I was envisioning adding a KEY RR type to > >| DNS, and using it to maintain pointers to keyservers. > > > >[...] > >| This sounds so obvious that I'm sure that I'm not the first > >| or even the tenth person to think of it, and in fact I > >| see a KEY RR type defined in the BIND 4.9.3BETA17 source. But > >| there's just a type there, nothing else to support it. > >| Anyone know what it's for? > > > > Donald Eastlake is writing the spec for storing keys in > >nameservers. Its in the process of moving to draft standard; there > >will probably be something about it after LA. I think its: > > > >ftp://ds.internic.net/draft-ietf-dnssec-secext-09.txt actually its in /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-dnssec-secext-09.txt on any of the IETF shadow directory machines such as ftp.isi.edu or ds.internic.net via ftp. It's up for Internet Proposed Standard and tehre were no objections at the DNSSEC working group meeting this morning. It provides for KEY RRs and SIG (signature) RRs. I recommend people check it out. > >Adam > > > >-- > >"It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once." > > -Hume > +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > |Carl M. Ellison cme(a)cybercash.com http://www.clark.net/pub/cme | > |CyberCash, Inc., Suite 430 http://www.cybercash.com/ | > |2100 Reston Parkway PGP 2.6.2: 61E2DE7FCB9D7984E9C8048BA63221A2 | > |Reston, VA 22091 Tel: (703) 620-4200 | > +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Donald ===================================================================== Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1 508-287-4877(tel) dee(a)cybercash.com 318 Acton Street +1 508-371-7148(fax) dee(a)world.std.com Carlisle, MA 01741 USA +1 703-620-4200(main office, Reston, VA) http://www.cybercash.com http://www.eff.org/blueribbon.html

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Re: Jump Start ecash With IPhone
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:49 PM 3/6/96 -0800, Jim McCoy wrote: >Just because LD is "deregulated" does not mean that it is without any >governmental oversight, much as I wish it were... LD companies still >have to pay certain taxes (take a look at your next phone bill, they are >clearly listed in addition to your actual phone charges) and I am certain >that they have entire office buildings stuffed with drones filling out >paperwork for Uncle Sam... > >jim > Granted. Of course it is quite a jump to claim that a software program is a "Long Distance Carrier." If I run Winsock on my machine and a Winsock application like Iphone, if anyone is the LD carrier, *I* am because I am digitizing my voice and doing the first part of the switching necessary to send the packets on their way. Maybe the FCC should bust *me* for practicing telecommunications without a license. It would make for an interesting case. DCF

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Re: Truelly Random Numbers
by Mutant Rob 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Mark Allyn 206-860-9454 wrote: [..] > Take a piece of non conducting board, say about six by six > feet. Put electrodes on it; say a pair of electrodes every > quarter inch or so across and down. > > Each pair of electrodes would be connected to logic so that > it generates a unique number. When the electrodes are shorted, > the number would be generated. Quite elaborate. And unless you live in a rainy part of the world, not very useful. Better off using those contraptions where little steel balls fall around the electrodes. There's some entropy there... but still, it's too elaborate for RNG generation. - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBMTooTyoZzwIn1bdtAQFXIwF/cjzvAfNJMOn9Pw6VSztPKCHUc/dmuwZ1 bOAEKnlQmwhRKOxpNmBr+EpM3zoRIWWP =8nb+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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No Subject
by owner-cypherpunks＠toad.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Adam Shostack <adam(a)homeport.org> mentioned: > The big problem with this is that net phones can be subject to > delay & drop out, and I don't want to deal with that when I'm talking > on the phone. Adam, Yes, and that's good news. We can claim, while we are building up our infrastructure, that we have a low-quality service that cannot compete with the current LD carriers. Meanwhile, several companies and committed enthusiasts are solving IPhone's technological problems. Also, ATM and other high-bandwidth technologies that the LD carriers are deploying can bring them profits when IPhone users request the _fast_ Internet. But the real money is in the billing system. And an efficient, decentralized ecash infrastructure will change the world. A cheap telephone-to-telephone long distance and international voice service, which people do want to buy, could provide the cash flow to jump start it. CW

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Venona NSA web page
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

------- Forwarded Message Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 06:59:32 -0500 (EST) From: merkaba(a)styx.ios.com Subject: VENONA PROJECT (fwd) - - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 22:07:24 -0500 From: Ronald Pearce <ronald(a)cybercomm.net> To: merkaba(a)styx.ios.com Subject: VENONA PROJECT http://www.nsa.gov:8080/docs/venona/venona.html The VENONA Project In July 1995 the Intelligence Community ended a 50-year silence regarding one of cryptology's most splendid successes - the VENONA Project. VENONA was the codename used for the U.S. Signals Intelligence effort to collect and decrypt the text of Soviet KGB and GRU messages from the 1940's. These messages provided extraordinary insight into Soviet attempts to infiltrate the highest levels of the United States Goverment. Today, we are proud to offer these exceptional documents on the NSA home page and we invite you to study and interpret them in the context of history. NSA will declassify over 2200 messages related to VENONA. We believe they will not only provide a window into Soviet espionage during the 1940's, but will also give you a glimpse of the important contributions signals intelligence and cryptographic expertise make to our nation's security. - - -Ron ==================================================== "We're all pawns, my dear... your move?" No. 66, - - --The Prisoner "Arrival" ====================================================

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Re: Why escrow? (was Re: How would Leahy bill affect crypto
by Deranged Mutant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 14 Mar 96 at 19:41, jim bell wrote: > >Of course that depends how you give your key to an escrow agent. If > >it's already escrowed when you buy a phone, for instance... > > That's the real danger with any such legislation. Individuals can generally > only get things that are manufactured for sale. (You can't buy a car with a > 7-cylinder engine, for instance...) If manufacturers are dissuaded from > building a good crypto telephone, then key-escrow can be as "voluntary" as > you want and you still won't be able to exercise your rights. You might sill be able to buy an unescrowed crypto-phone. If forgeign companies start selling them, then the gov't will have a hard time preventing domestic companies from manufacturing them and exporting them (in theory...) under the legislation. Rob. --- Send a blank message with the subject "send pgp-key" (not in quotes) to <WlkngOwl(a)unix.asb.com> for a copy of my PGP key.

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Re[2]: Cypherpunks reference in Netscape book
by Martin Diehl 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sameer and Cory, Consider setting up some persistent html pages on cryptology, privacy, cyphernomicon, cypherpunks list, and cypherpunks archives. Include these URL's as bookmarks with the delivered Netscape browser. The page on the cypherpunks list could have a subscribe (mail-to) button, as well as some list nequitte, a product warning about list volume, and an unsubscribe (mail-to) button. Martin G. Diehl ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Cypherpunks reference in Netscape book Author: sameer(a)atropos.c2.org at INTERNET-USA Date: 3/15/96 12:59 PM Make sure you list majordomo(a)toad.com and cypherpunks-request(a)toad.com. Don't list cypherpunks(a)toad.com. > I'm writing the "Encryption and SSL" chapter for the Netscape products, and > I'm finishing it up with a "Further reading" section that lists > crypto-related books, web sites, and newsgroups. I was thinking of including > a reference to this mailing list. > [snip] > Corey Bridges > Netscape Security Documentation > http://home.netscape.com/people/corey > 415-528-2978 > -- Sameer Parekh Voice: 510-601-9777x3 Community ConneXion, Inc. FAX: 510-601-9734 The Internet Privacy Provider Dialin: 510-658-6376 http://www.c2.org/ (or login as "guest") sameer(a)c2.org

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RE: Tim's friend's mildly retarded son
by Blanc Weber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From: tcmay(a)got.net (In response to my sig statement): >>>I hope I'm not the only one here who thinks so. > >How could you be? Since I was the one who cited the example, I clearly >am >opposed to the current monopoly on judgment the FDA enjoys. .................................................................... Yes. I know. I am on the infamous Anarcho-Capitalist Cypherpunk List. But I am sending mail from my place of work, and I intended it as a sort of "disclaimer". Ha-ha. I wasn't clear about that. BTW, vis-a-vis the Tijuana Free Market qua government involvement with addicting substances, I think your precision statitics below are apropos, Q.E.D. :>) * > .... Tobacco, which kills an estimated 400,000 a year is the > winner. (The statistics I saw a few years ago were easily memorizable: > tobacco: 400,000, alchohol: 40,000, drugs: 4,000.) .. Blanc * you would have had to read my "How to Win an Argument" post to appreciate this one. >

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