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Re: wealth and property rights
by azur＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Adam Back wrote: >> >> Steve Boursy writes: >> >>> That's a fair question. I don't begrude one's ownership of their >>> fair share--but I do have serious problems with what we shall >>> call 'accumulators' if you will. For them I have contempt and no-- >>> they do not have that right of possession and often such 'work' is >>> at the expense and on the backs of others. >> >> I'm an accululator :-) >> >> The investments I have I worked for. > > Well of course you have--but the majority of people >in the world that are poor have worked just as hard >and do not derive the same benefits--that needs to >be changed. > > <clip> > >> See, if you spend your money now, on the above, you have no right to >> criticize me when I look relatively wealthy later. It's your choice >> to blow your money. > > > I agree--that's not what I was talking about--the majority of wealth >is handed down not earned--and the ability to earn also more often >than not results in hand me down priv. I believe it was Thomas Jefferson who was successful at getting the practice of primo geniture outlawed in Virginia (it was later adopted by all the other states). He believed in a 'meritocracy' or sorts and abhored any practice which would create a merchant or political aristocracy in the new Republic. Unfortunately much of his wisdom was ignored (e.g. objection to a central bank, and the forbidding of one generation to indebt another) and we suffer the consequences to this day. > > >> Btw, people of your mentality (communists/socialists) already make it >> very difficult for me to accumulate, > > We do our best--some day we'll take it all away--really. > > Steve

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COREL TO CENSOR ALL CLIP ART WORLDWIDE
by nobody＠cypherpunks.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Swastikas halt Corel sales By Reuters November 25, 1996, 12 p.m. PT MUNICH, Germany--Corel (COSFF) software company has temporarily halted sales of its top-selling Corel Draw graphics program in Germany because it includes four banned Nazi symbols, a company spokesman said today. The Canadian company will remove three drawings of Adolf Hitler and one swastika from future versions of its popular software, spokesman Thomas Layer said. It is also distributing warning labels to be placed on versions now being sold, Layer said. The label warns that the "improper use of digital images and symbols" found in the programs Corel Draw 4.0, 5.0, and 6.0 is prohibited in Germany, which bans public displays of Nazi symbols. Munich's state prosecutor launched an investigation into the software on October 2 after learning that someone had used the banned images to print business cards for a neo-Nazi group, Layer said. This is not the first time that the company has had complaints due to their clip art images. In 1992, pressure from US Black rights organisations forced drawings of the Ku Kux Klan to be removed from the collection. Consideration is also being given to the removal of other images from the collection, either due to legal restrictions in various countries, or due to complaints from organisations such as the Simon Wiesenthal Center. Images considered for removal include a burning US flag, Josef Stalin, the Star of David icon, a cannabis leaf, and a drawing of a woman in a bathing costume. Corel Draw provides more than 24,000 clip art drawings and symbols that computer users can copy. The company suspended the sales on November 19.

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what is a law if it cant be enforced?
by mrwilhe＠odin.cmp.ilstu.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

can our gov possibly enforce this crypto law? --esp over the net? I think what happend is the dod released the net (arpanet/Internet) to the people without looking at the implications that could arise. The people now control the net and not the gov--and they don't like it! anyway our government is ruled by the people for the people--so we should not have any kind of special laws--ones that only apply to the net and not the rest of the world, after all we have a thing called free speech! fsh

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Re: New crypto regulations
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:57 AM 12/30/96 -0800, Hal Finney wrote: >The regs, as Lucky pointed out, do hint at restrictions on OCR fonts in >the future. However this is obviously doomed since as OCR technology >advances the distinction between OCR and non-OCR fonts will vanish. >I imagine that a special purpose character recognition engine could be >built to work on any known, monospaced font, as is typically used for >source code. It seems to me that the authors of the regulations have come to the same conclusion. Which is why the ban on scannable text is not in the current version of the regs. But the regulators want to see scannable source banned that much is clear. At the same time, they do not want to run up against the wide ranging protections printed speech enjoys. I expect the solution ultimately employed to use a method similar to what is currently used in color copiers and digital audio mastering equipment. Normal color copiers will copy just about all colors except the particular shade of green used in US currency. Consumer digital audio recording equipment makes use of copy protection features. Only hideously expensive "professional" equipment has the copy protection turned off. We might see something similar for printed source and OCR programs. Printed source will have to be printed in a specific font. A font that OCR programs are required to not recognize. OCR programs that do recognize this specific font will of course be export controlled. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred Make your mark in the history of mathematics. Use the spare cycles of your PC/PPC/UNIX box to help find a new prime. http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm

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Re: With my deepest regards....
by AwakenToMe＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated 96-12-30 17:46:12 EST, you write: << AwakenToMe(a)aol.com wrote: > Adam Breaux wrote: > > I am withdrawing from this list. Not because of the volume of > > email...that I can deal with...but what I cannot deal with is the > > volume of garbage and egotistical ranting[snippo] > Note to cypherpunks: This guy complains about the problem, but he *is* > the problem. *He* wants to tell us *he's* leaving. Talk about ego- > tistical ranting! What a hypocrite. > Since I never said I dont contribute to the problem.. I think Ill point > out... that in a reverse notion...He isn't the problem. What you replied > back is the problem. Argumentum ad nauseam. The point is, Adam (I think) wanted to tell us he's leaving. Well, who gives a shit, anyway? Instead of ranting against me, tell the cypherpunks why they should care that this particular individual is "leaving the list". >> he did: =-} <<I am withdrawing from this list. Not because of the volume of email...that I can deal with...but what I cannot deal with is the volume of garbage and egotistical ranting that seems so prevalent in what should for all sakes and purposes be a discussion of cyphering and security. Apparently the name of this list is designed to mislead...because of all the posts, a grand total of 5% proved worth reading at all.>>

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WinSock Remailer Now Operating Normally
by Joey Grasty 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: (Fwd) Re: Mr. May's Posts. Other Things.
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 04:33 PM 12/30/96 -0800, Ross Wright wrote: >This is the message I got in response to my post regarding Mr. May's >offensive, racist, and bigoted post about ebonics. His comments were not "offensive, racist, and bigoted." They were funny, intentionally so. The whole "Ebonics" issue is a hilarious example of political-correctness gone mad. Interestingly, Jesse Jackson tried to make it look like the blacks were the victims, the ones most offended by the actions of the Oakland schools people. Embarrassed, maybe, victims no. (A friend of mine greatly prefers the term, "Niglish." I try hard to not be so...coarse.) Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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by rvrcp＠ocsnet.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: (Fwd) Re: Mr. May's Posts. Other Things.
by Bovine Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Some peckerhead soiled my mailbox with: >This is the message I got in response to my post regarding Mr. May's >offensive, racist, and bigoted post about ebonics. I have made >overtures towards peace and tried to explain that I thought that the >Doctor's verbal slapping was not as bad as it seemed, maybe even he >deserved it!. He refuses to answer. He's just a pussy, I guess. >Like's to make terroristic threats. To Nam vets, yet. Ballsy, Tim! Thank you for playing, Mr. Grubor. Please pick up your consolation prize at the door marked "Out." And stop passing Dimbulb the mailing list messages -- you know it makes the tumors in his head kick in. >I would rather have discussed this with you in private e-mail, or >over a few beers, but you refuse to answer my e-mail. Maybe he has you filtered, as the rest of us will now. *plonk* (I'd prob'ly buy him the hollowpoints, btw.)

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RE: Just another government fuckover: New crypto regulations
by Blanc Weber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: Toto Why is it that governments always seem to be so self-congratulatory about allowing the citizens to be 'free' to do those things that the government 'allows' them to do? ..................................................... Not to start a thread specifically on government bashing, but Toto' statement is so on-target about the kind of attitude which emanates from what regulators say and do. It is their underlying assumption that only they have the moral discernment to determine the parameters of propriety; which makes them think that no 'underling' has the right of self-determination. It can be seen in statements they make such as as: "there are no provisions in Super Legislation Bill 200A.666.b.32xy.450z for individual exemptions from voluntary contribution". (well, excuse Me! <g>) So this means that an individual can feel "free" to act only when these people feel magnanimously generous enough to allow it. No reference to Reason or Logic in the way things work in Reality, only that an action is inhibited or allowed "because this piece of paper says so". Therefore from their perspective and their re-definition of "person", Human Motivation derives its validity solely from their "provisions" for it. All other determining factors are Prohibited by Law. How can you argue with that? .. Blanc >

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