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Re: [Off-Topic] "Curfews"
by Blake Wehlage 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 05:22 PM 6/2/96 -0400, Alan Horowitz wrote: >I'm more concerned about the other side of the coin. > >The next time there's street riots because a jury decided to think for >itself, will the ACLU be issuing quota guidelines that mandate that all >black arrestees above (percentage-of-population) be given a >"get-out-of-jail-free-for-pulling-a-bystanding-trucker-out-of-his-cab-and >slamming-his-head-with-bricks" card? > > Cool where can I get one of those? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Blake "Pokey" Wehlage Gaa- 3.69 <jwilk(a)iglou.com> Record- 2-4-4 Age- 13 Final Standings- 2nd Place (Beat in Championship) President & Founder: Revolution Software "I have the fastest glove in the east!" Profanity Software "Hackers never stop hacking they just get caught" VSoft My life- Rarely eat or sleep, Hack til' 7:00a, goto school, play goalie til' 5:00p, hack til' 7:00a Hank Aaron- d:-)!-< Pope- +<:-) Santa Claus- *<:-) The Unabrower |:-) Current Girlfriend(s)- Lindsey Wilcox, Laura Schubring ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Re: opinions on book "The Truth Machine"
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:14 AM 6/3/96, Adam Back wrote: >Well, we don't have curfews yet, but they're getting keen on security >video cameras lately, the university has a few even, on top of >buildings, the steerable variety, and with what I presume are IR spots >mounted on them. Today's newspaper (SJ Mercury News) carried a long article about increasingly ubiquitous video surveillance cameras, and singled out the U.K. as a place that is leading. Apparently even small villages have 50 or more cameras scattered around...men have been arrested for urinating in bushes outside pubs, caught by the infrared pickups (I hadn't thought about the cameras being IR, but this makes sense, as a large fraction of street crimes take place in dark or semidark areas). The article claimed that the cameras and microphones are the latest in surveillance technology, provided by the U.K. defense establishment. Privacy advocates gave comments--they were predictably quite worried. The links with crypto policy are of course apparent. --Winston Smith Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Stop Cross-Copying (Re: Take the money, Harry, re.)
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 5:19 PM 6/20/96, RogErick(a)aol.com wrote: > I agree with you, Tonie, as usual. > I struggled with this, for years, until I had a dream. I was on a >battlefield, pinned down by enemy fire, and I was out of ammunition. .... Hey, folks, I'm a libertarian, and even voted for John Hospers in 1972. But the Cypherpunks mailing list has over 1200 subscribers, and cross-copying to it for these debates is not a good idea. I presume the same is true about cross-copying Cypherpunks stuff onto "nwlibertarians(a)teleport.co," but I can't say for sure. What I know is that wide cross-posting (or cross-copying) is the bane of lists these days. There are so many lists, so much overlap, that the temptation is great to cc: any conceivably-related list. Hey, no one speaks for Cypherpunks, least of all me, but I think cross-copying between libertarian, or digital commerce, or Wobbly, or International Socialist Women of Color, or Unabomber Brigade mailing lists to the Cypherpunks list is inappropriate. --Tim May, member of Cypherpunks list, but not the others Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: where'd Bal's PKS go?
by fredfjr＠netserver.nti.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 10:24 AM 6/20/96 -0700, you wrote: >Did it move? I hadn't seen any announcement of this... I just visited the site earlier tonight and it seemed to be working...it took me a couple of tries but I was able to extract a key from there. But just to make sure, the one I visited is at: http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bal/pks-commands.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMcodwlzzEIlY82+tAQF/BQP9HrT1ThbfmxcTWHZ6V55eAqVJysC2g1yU T2cCHvXGxYvCf7jU4YyJMUgNThCbIC/GIv6MZzZ4SPaej8jky5qs+KH6urDEXwXe d2YBeXihOxQ/5lEBMgniB61DcPjvcK4nl8MhVsn+3r+/9c5/kfTNEXAMK820gIEc 94BO0/MFf0I= =A1Um -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Oil Change software snoops through hard drive
by declan＠well.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Alan forwarded this to me. Thought it might be interesting. -Declan ------------------------------- Heads up: Privacy & Continuous Access Ks implicated by new software This press release for a new product - a software agent - has implications for privacy and continuing access issues, because it works by scanning user's hard disks and automatically providing software updates. Unanswered Qs: 1) What other kinds of info does/can it troll for? 2) What does it do when it finds unregistered software? 3) Does it implicate ECPA? 4) Will updates be available through other means? 5) Must a user affirmatively grant permission to the software agent? 6) Can a user decline or limit the agent's access? 7) What uses may the agent's owner make of data collected? etc. Alan L --- press release: *** "Digital Oil Change" CyberMedia announced today at PC Expo that it plans to automatically "service" personal computer software via the Net with a newly unveiled product called Oil Change. The company reports that Oil Change automatically replaces outdated, bug-ridden software and hardware drivers with clean updates. CyberMedia says the product is designed to use the Net to find, download, and install updates to Microsoft Windows 95 software applications and drivers. Oil Change reportedly tracks all currently installed versions and revisions of all Windows 95 software and hardware drivers on a PC, and then dials into CyberMedia's Internet Web Server for related updates. Users in need of an update are alerted by Oil Change with a description of what the update will do, and then the product finds the update on a software manufacturer's Web site, downloads, and installs it. Beginning today, CyberMedia says it will offer a free beta version of Oil Change for a limited time at its Web site.

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Re: Sen. Specter and Kerry move to delay crypto legislation
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 05:03 PM 6/21/96 -0400, Black Unicorn wrote: >On Fri, 21 Jun 1996, jim bell wrote: >> Since "everybody" is supposed to agree that the Leahy encryption bill is >> dead, dead, dead, I don't see this as being any kind of problem. It was >> disliked by Clinton and the Denning-types, and with the exception of a short >> flurry of mistaken optimism around here, it was roundly excoriated here as >> well. > >To which which Leahy Bill are you referring? The one introduced on February 26, 1996. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: Sen. Specter and Kerry move to delay crypto legislation
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 06:19 PM 6/21/96 -0400, Black Unicorn wrote: >On Fri, 21 Jun 1996, jim bell wrote: >> >> Since "everybody" is supposed to agree that the Leahy encryption bill is >> >> dead, dead, dead, I don't see this as being any kind of problem. It was >> >> disliked by Clinton and the Denning-types, and with the exception of a short >> >> flurry of mistaken optimism around here, it was roundly excoriated here as >> >> well. >> > >> >To which which Leahy Bill are you referring? >> >> The one introduced on February 26, 1996. > >I think the above message was refering to "procode" however. Certainly not by name. It merely referred to legislation that Leahy "sponsored." Leahy _did_ seem to act like he was in favor of the Burns bill, as well, after ECPA got the bad press, and maybe he's a co-sponsor of the Procode bill as well. Even so, the letter did not appear to be CC:'d to Burns, so I conclude that it was intended to refer to at least the ECPA, if not both bills. United States Senate Select Committee on Intelligence June 7, 1996 SSCI #96-2219B The Honorable Patrick J. Leahy United States Senator Senate Russell Building, Room 433 Washington, D.C. 20510-4502 Dear Pat: We write to express our concerns about legislation you have sponsored which would impact directly upon federal encryption policy, including export control policy. Recognizing that American innovation in encryption technology is unequaled, we appreciate the need to balance US economic competitiveness with the need to safeguard national security interests. As such, it is our belief that this legislation requires careful study and reflection and that the Senate and the Congress as a whole should proceed with caution until all of the implications of such an initiative are fully discerned. Along these lines, it is our understanding that industry representatives are currently meeting with the Administration to discuss new policy initiatives to address this issue. Also, both the Congress and the Administration have undertaken to conduct a thorough analysis of a two-year congressionally-mandated study on federal encryption policy that was facilitated by the National Research Council. We therefore feel that your legislation initiative at this time is premature. We appreciate your efforts to bring some needed clarity to United States policy in this area and wish to keep the lines open for discussion and debate on this important issue. The staff point of contact on this issue is our Committee Counsel, Mark Heilbrun, who can be reached at 224-1700. Sincerely, Arlen Specter J. Robert Kerrey Chairman Vice-Chairman cc: The Honorable Alfonse D'Amato Chairman, Senate Committee on Banking -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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HotWired -- The Tenth Justice (6/20/96)
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Check out today's HotWired at http://www.hotwired.com/ for the full article. -Declan -------------- http://www.hotwired.com/netizen/96/25/campaign_dispatch4a.html HotWired: The Netizen The Tenth Justice by Brock N. Meeks (brock(a)well.com) and Declan McCullagh (declan(a)well.com) Washington, DC, 20 June 1996 Little known and unheralded outside judicial circles, U.S. Solicitor General Drew Days will soon play a key role in the continuing saga of the Communications Decency Act: it's now up to Days to vote thumbs up or down on sending the case to the Supreme Court. Days's decision carries enormous weight with the Supreme Court justices. "The solicitor general is known as the tenth justice," says Llew Gibbons, Temple University law fellow. "He has that much power before the court. It's a level of credibility nobody else has." Although the solicitor general - the No. 3 spot in the Department of Justice - is a political appointee, the job has historically been above politics; as Gibbons says, the solicitor general's real client is the Constitution. At the same time, it's a coveted position widely seen as a steppingstone to a seat on the Supreme Court, as it was for Thurgood Marshall. In addition, the job's independence allows the solicitor general to rule according to his understanding of constitutional law, not party allegiance - which is why Days's decision on the CDA will carry so much weight with the high court. Nonetheless, as independent and influential as Days may be, should he decide not to send the case on, he could still be overruled by Attorney General Janet Reno. Days has traveled this road before. Shortly after he took office in 1993, he wrote a decision arguing that the Bush administration had screwed up in sending a controversial child pornography case to the Supreme Court. The court, having already decided to take the case, reversed itself and, on the strength of Days's argument, sent it back to the appeals court. [...]

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Re: Recipients get the postage
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 22:27 6/20/96, Timothy C. May wrote: >Again, I always enjoy gedankenexperiments about digital postage. But I am >chagrinned that nearly four years after the first remailers we are still >operating in thought experiment mode for the most part. > >I believe this is because there really is very little market at this time >for anonymous remailings. Those who mostly use remailers appear to be >willing to use casual-grade remailers, with few of the real Chaumian >protections. And they are not very concerned about reliablity, cover >traffic, etc. While it is true that there is a relatively small market for remailers and therefore insufficient incentive to spend great efforts on developing for-pay remailers, there is a relatively simple technical modification to Ecash that might lower the development barrier to a level at which for-pay remailers may be deployed. Clearly, the task of designing a new remailer architecture as well as a payment system suitable for use in such an architecture is prohibitive at the current market size. If currently deployed remailer and payment systems could be modified to interoperate, developing for-pay remailers would be considerably easier. Unfortunately, there are technical reasons that have kept the two main contenders for building such a hybrid system, Mixmaster and Ecash, from interoperating in a smooth fashion. Mixmaster has certain constraints on the maximum number of bytes a potential payment sting can have. [Note: the constraint is in the Mixmaster header, it has nothing to do with total message size]. To stay within that limit, the client used to access the Ecash wallet would have to be able to specify the exact denominations of coins to be used to make a payment of a given amount. Neither DigiCash's current Ecash client, nor the recently released official Ecash API allow for this level of control over the composition of a payment. When there is a fully working implementation of Ecash that allows the detailed control required to create payment messages that Mixmaster can incorporate in its messages, implementing for-pay remailers should be trivial. It is difficult to predict at this time if such out of the box for-pay remailer will be commercially viable -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred. Disclaimer: My opinions are my own.

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FW: Bashing "Wired"
by geeman＠best.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- From: Timothy C. May[SMTP:tcmay@got.net] Sent: Thursday, June 20, 1996 11:19 PM To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: Bashing "Wired" ..... elided... And notice that increasingly the "journalists" are the quoted thinkers and strategists in important areas? Someone majors in English, starts writing for "Netizen" or "HotWired," and the next thing you know they're debating crypto policy with Conrad Burns and Dorothy Denning. We're in an age where the medium truly is the message thanks for the deconstruction on 'WiReD' - --- your last comment reminds me of Cliff Stoll's position that the Web fosters what he calls 'cacocracy' --- a community of yakking posturers with nothing to say. I recommend his "Silicon Snake Oil" to all. Cheers.

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