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Re: PRZ /PGP
by jamesd＠echeque.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:57 PM 5/13/96 -0700, Vladimir Z. Nuri wrote: [Stupid trolling on reagan and the cold war deleted] > > it may also be that Zimmermann has a set of beliefs that he > champions in front of the public, but that his private ideology > is more radical. Zimmermann is in favor of liberty. Some of his ideas about how people can and should deal with each other to avoid violating each others rights are badly mistaken, but one of his ideas about liberty is spot on. [lots more trolling deleted] > 4. PRZ has a bad track record as far as meeting deadlines. No software project has ever come in on schedule or within budget. Yours will not be the first. [Even more moronic trolling deleted] --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Anonymous password assignment failure (no password)
by daemon＠anon.penet.fi 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

You have requested the assignment of a new password However, your message text didn't contain any password. Remember that passwords should only contain letters and numbers.

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Re: Rural Datafication (Was Re: Edited Edupage, 9 May 1996)
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"mccoy(a)communities.com" 15-MAY-1996 00:55:57.23 >BTW, while there may have been a decent argument against the electrification >act, I think that you are paddling upstream when it comes to net connections. >The value of your net connection (or any connection to the net) _increases_ >according to the number of people who are connected to the network. Unlike >all of the other rural subsidies you pay for as an urban dweller (with the >possible exception of the phone subsidy), this is one which has direct benefit >to you. If it was a direct benefit, we'd chose it freely without being drafted by the use of phone bills. Look at Juno et al - that's a circumstance in which interconnection is taking place via the free market. Moreover, you're assuming that there's some reason that I _want_ to be connected to those with insufficient education, etcetera to move out of the rural areas we're talking about. I know these places; I grew up in a town surrounded by hillbillies (Middlesboro, KY). Believe me, I have no desire to have further contact with them - via the net or any other method. >Oh yeah, and you are already subsidizing their phone bill (at least the >increased cost of running a line out to them and maintaining that line), and >their electricity bill, and satellite TV took care of any need to run cable >TV lines out there or else you would also be subsidizing their cable TV by >now. So what was your point? My tax dollars (and that's what the proposed phone bill changes are in many ways - they're government requirements for people to pay money) are also paying for a lot of other things I don't approve of, such as the drug war. This isn't a reason to fund more of it. -Allen

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RE: Why does the state still stand:
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 1:04 PM 5/15/96 -0400, Black Unicorn wrote: >On Tue, 14 May 1996, blanc wrote: > >> From: Hal [on the idea of companies operating fully anonymously] >> >> It might be interesting to make a list of all the problems people can >> think of why this idea won't work, paired with proposed solutions and >> workarounds - sort of a mini FAQ for this important (some might say >> ultimate) cypherpunk model. >> ..................................................................... >> >> I think this is a much needed discussion - in particular as it comes at a >>time when Uni is is "somewhat disconcerted" at the defeatist attitude of some >>cypherpunks and since TCMay is getting ready to read us the Cypherpunks Bill >>of Rights regarding the subsidizatoin of other's people's cyber existence >>(heh). >> >> 3 problems which immediately come to mind: >> >> . What if someone, hired on one occasion but fired at another, decides >in anger to "turn coat" and report everyone to the IRS (or other fine >government agency)? > >The entire organization would clearly have to be double blinded. If this >can be done for mailing lists (which I believe it can) it can be done for >corporations too. The real trick is getting the costs of anonymous (and I >mean secure anonymous) communications low enough. If all you need to do is beat the cost of commuting 20 miles/day, no problem. >> . What if a company does not pay as expected - other than adopting >> Assassination Politics, what method could an employee use towards >> getting their expected remuneration for work done? > >If payment is made weekly, it should be made in advance to an escrow agent >who would issue a certificate that the payment for employee r2dd54 has >been received. The payment would then not be released to anyone without >the consent of the corporation and the employee. > >Obviously the escrow agent would have to be trusted. > >... > >Even if a payment gets hung up in a dispute, it's only for a week. You could require daily payment and forgo the escrow agent. (Assuming you are willing to risk a day's pay as an experiment in reputation.) Note that AP won't work if everyone is anonymous because you won't have a target. What may be a problem for such a company is a social problem. All the creative groups I have worked with have had close personal relations. (Although they have not had wide agreement on significant non-work subjects!) I don't know if good, creative, group-produced products can be built without such a relationship. Does anyone know of an example of such a product from an "anonymous" environment? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bill Frantz | The CDA means | Periwinkle -- Computer Consulting (408)356-8506 | lost jobs and | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | dead teenagers | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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Re: S-Tools 4 now available
by Matts Kallioniemi 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 17:41 1996-05-13 CST, Roy M. Silvernail wrote: >> You will need either Windows 95 or Windows NT (at least v3.51) to use >> this, and all further releases of S-Tools (Win32s is not sufficient). ><sigh> >I suppose this is market pressure, but it means you are alienating a >number of potential users (including myself). Some of us are working >toward being Microsoft-free, you know. It's not just marketing, it's a fact of life. 16 bit operating systems are not supported any more. Just as 8 bit OSes haven't been supported for quite a while either. There will come a day when 64 bits are considered the minimum for useful software (large database systems are already there). You just can't stick with 16 bits forever, MS-free or not. Face it. Matts

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Re: SS Follies
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:49 PM 5/15/96 -0400, Black Unicorn wrote: > >Not to mention that an SS# is not required to receive a U.S. Passport. Also, even native born US citizens may hold other passports.

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Re: Why does the state still stand:
by jamesd＠echeque.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"James A. Donald <jamesd(a)echeque.com>" is alleged to have written: > > Existing forms of ecash are costly and inconvenient, hence unsuitable > > for spending in tiny quantities. At 10:59 PM 5/15/96 +0200, bryce(a)digicash.com wrote: > Excuse me? Here James, have a penny. I see I am out of date. I guess it is time to sign up with the Mark Twain bank. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Re: Securing CDROM from piracy
by sawyer＠nextek.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Is there any way of making >sure that the guy doesnt pull a fast on on us? Can we ensure that he cannot >duplicate the thing and start selling it without sharing the profit. >-- > '88888888:::888888%' Vipul Ved Prakash Fax : +91-11-3328849 > '8888888::88888%' Positive Ideas. Internet : vipul(a)pobox.com Well, I suppose you could get it copyrighted before you hand it over for distribution. I'd also put my logo and other info somewhere in the code, such as an "About" box. They would have a hard time saying it wasn't yours. Thomas J. Sawyer sawyer(a)nextek.com

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[NOISE] Re: Edited Edupage, 9 May 1996
by mccoy＠communities.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hmmm... this is getting fun. Now I have something to take out my frustration at 3Com shipping me a broken 100baseTX hub... Perry writes: > Food is of paramount importance to society. Why do we have no > government run feeding stations to replace these evil supermarkets, > then? I guess that farm subsidies, school lunches and the infamous "government cheese" are all figments of our imagination... > Heat is of paramount importance to society -- in New England you can't > survive the winter without it. Why, then, do we not have government > operated and financed oil companies to replace the evil private ones. Are you aware of the fact that it is next to impossible to disconnect gas/electricity for poor customers during the winter in these areas? Have you ever wondered why the services rep asks you questions regarding your income when you sign up for phone or electrical/gas services? > Communications are of primary importance to society. Would you swap > our phone system for the phone system in Greece, or even the one in > France, which are publically subsidized and run by the government? Gee, I seem to remember when the only phone system of any consequence in the US was the Bell System. A heavily regulated monopoly with the government overseeing almost all aspects of the services offered. > Do you prefer using the U.S. Postal Service, or Federal Express when > you absolutely positively have to get the package there? Can FedEx send a 1 oz. letter to anywhere in the world for 32 cents? A classic example of cherry-picking among private companies. > If you had a choice, would you go to a V.A."hospital" or see a private > physician? A private physician who must adhere to governement standards and who could not practice medicine without the permission of the government? [okay, you sort of have a point on this one but you were really shooting blanks on the other issues.] > Actually, I believe most people on this list argue for no government > or so little that its decisions hardly matter. Yes, but you should give better examples. This is not an issue which is easily argued using the "sound bites" you are trying to give us. jim

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Re: The Crisis with Remailers
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 8:37 PM 5/15/96 -0700, Timothy C. May wrote: >A much richer ecology of remailers is sorely needed. A factor of at least >10 or 20 more (100-300 remailer sites), less reliance on specific sites, an >"everyone a remailer" capability (which has many elegant advantages!), more >traffic, temporarily instantiated sites, digital postage, greater ease of >use (especially with crypto and chaining), and such things as nominal >terminal remailers choosing to add their own hops (so as to lessen their >own target potential). Having some of these improvements will be a big >help. Perhaps what is needed is a non-profit, charitable 501c foundation to encourage anonymous communication. Those who support the idea could make tax deductible contributions which would be used for grants, public education etc. etc. to encourage anonymous communication. It could be called, "The Federalist Foundation" because the Federalist Papers were published anonymously. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bill Frantz | The CDA means | Periwinkle -- Computer Consulting (408)356-8506 | lost jobs and | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | dead teenagers | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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