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Charge for Internet, Please.
by fnerd＠smds.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Re: the latest "Taxpayer Assets Project" pettition against charges for internet use. Personally, internet charges, combined with dropping of NSF involvement, can't come too quickly for me. I want to sign the counter-pettition: To whom it may concern: I'm willing to pay, just get out of the way. I don't mind if schools subsidize their students' accounts (tuitions pay for it already and would still do so), or if whoever funds research would subsidize researchers' accounts. But then I believe in the separation of school and state, science and state, art and state. If a charge of $20/month (and falling) gets rid of the whiners, charge on. Fat chance, of course, but they don't bother me as long as no one takes their advice. - -Steve Witham quote me - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To auditors without the code, calls seem indistinguishable from noise. --George Gilder -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a aKxB8nktcBAeQHabQP/d7yhWgpGZBIoIqII8cY9nG55HYHgvt3niQCVAgUBLMs3K ui6XaCZmKH68fOWYYySKAzPkXyfYKnOlzsIjp2tPEot1Q5A3/n54PBKrUDN9tHVz 3Ch466q9EKUuDulTU6OLsilzmRvQJn0EJhzd4pht6hSnC1R3seYNhUYhoJViCcCG sRjLQs4iVVM= =9wqs -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Personal message: Lady Ada
by Tommy the Tourist 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Version: 2.3a hIwCpc1B0nHWExkBBAC0l0t1ES3aiOy4/wR5BX4jMai6bxt7LWK2lxo/fxWJUCmZ id88Z0fCw/6AtK1VbOzWBBbmjSr5LcNm1qU8WKKn1latfB3L5njqlo3ANjSSfkNs fM4Pl0TFszMkrZGpdHCQ8lHnuxmvz4SZlzwUWKhtN9tqFqeKrRDcSUlee7HGt6YA AAIMtgE9dgpaP45zr1hFtZgaFcKHbhDutbGXphlDCWN3pbYTBGZv1yAu7oP6QSzY ye/JFiSU8/eUl8D3p5ZI48gCKSBGagIuGXgPd6KrI0ftosMfUu5XOUlfXSUK0IWs qEQ/k8JFt+UMgGiU3jkOKVxmyhSXaaEzLbxjOmYFrjSS5whdNIiRRvEJqRM6Lm/g CQA8+I72HvIzvFReIyrO65s0jQzPQ52gwtKcn34cpzJ6Uc9uo5p823Iq5mrg25M7 ihSGj57udFEXjhZmOpCiGX8pesE3I+hbBC24jqb8OWUEnT/4T4jmsWiE55qepjpI 5pEwBIyswcCpdpdCbU9sX4XUKRNEdMA8pA1B7zIJfzxHKF2nPsWwdg9btP1aOand NistvPPzTxb7dF68aeQfcbcfx0R/8YjaJ7W37zau4899epaSdX5biyfRNr43EF1m gxasGrR36S50HYg+Qp6Vh+qAAOhR7YNrSyrXx/LvdVzGOGuHxSEZTN03xd7VfGcY ox96Iln2NDnPYJHL+uiPa9Uumy95pF1GwYTE2wjjmSbJ7hetZj+BDOpd1aWLdq6y kBBAOHiojK7MgqTWeRJ9BsXBNGq106YPg4lcoYsLj2cqYwEEdIRF47nVm76O+fht XWgu2sW8dvwlRGlYzGvXr+suHyFNhc0uVCVPDScfm8ScV7+Po7fAYSnslIavMaU= =kZSb -----END PGP MESSAGE----- ------------ To respond to the sender of this message, send mail to remailer(a)soda.berkeley.edu, starting your message with the following 7 lines: :: Response-Key: ideaclipper ====Encrypted-Sender-Begin==== MI@```$-S^P;+]AB?X9TW6\8W2:&P&2$;<_/=V`<PE8'W2JPG+=T+HZ+9SW,[ ;(a)^=_C5)).#>OWU[\V$R%+N-I=9;S$:.F.\,; ====Encrypted-Sender-End====

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removed from list....
by lile＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi folks, Looks like I have been removed from the list with out any notice. I could tell because I stopped receiving your mail. Guess I just wasn't punk enough. :) Or prehaps this list doesn't care for artist who are interested in encryption... Anyways, if you would like to reach me, you can send mail directly to me at lile(a)netcom.com. I will not be posting to cypherpunks after this message. be seeing you, -lile ps. My art is in a virtual art gallery called OTIS. http://sunsite.unc.edu/otis/otis.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Lile Elam | "Remember... No matter where you go, there you are." lile(a)netcom.com | Un*x Admin / Artist | Buckaroo Banzai ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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(Fwd) The Guardian OnLine
by whitaker＠dpair.csd.sgi.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded from Ian Geldard, with his permission. Note that the address is "online(a)guardian.co.uk"; misspelling of guardian, below. The Guardian (still known to most Brits as "the Manchester Guardian") is a national daily broadsheet newspaper. -Russell --- Forwarded mail from igeldard(a)capital.demon.co.uk To: russw(a)netcom.com Russell, Thought you might like to know, if you don't already know, that the Guardian has started to produce a new weekly supplement called The Guardian OnLine, which is "exclusively devoted to the startling developments in computing, science and technology." The first edition (Thursday May 19) had a lot about the Internet and the recent crackdown on the Fidonet system by Italian police. Might be worth sending them items about cypherpunks etc. email: online(a)guradian.co.uk snail: OnLine, The Guardian, 119 Farringdon Road, London EC1R 3ER TTFN - Ian -- +-----------------------------------------------------+ | Ian Geldard | FidoNet 2:254/151 CIS 70734,426 | | London U.K. | Internet igeldard(a)capital.demon.co.uk | +-----------------------------------------------------+ --- End of forwarded mail from igeldard(a)capital.demon.co.uk -- Russell Earl Whitaker whitaker(a)csd.sgi.com Silicon Graphics Inc. Technical Assistance Center / Centre D'Assistance Technique / Tekunikaru Ashisutansu Sentaa Mountain View CA (415) 390-2250 ================================================================ #include <std_disclaimer.h>

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Testing compatibility 2.6 v. 2.3a
by ER CRAMER 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Please could someone change the date of his computer after 1 september 1994 and send a PGP-ed message to me so I can test the compatibily of 2.6 (I also implemented the patch send to this server in 2.3a so I can check that too...). My public key: -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.3c mQCNAiv3vSkAAAEEAMGWtCrT8eIhK0qR0yqYepYCcRdjw+EhiIzP4XkHlwkR9iVt 4xnTGHKuuCnGJG0ftez4hEZsTpdrz8mQ0SnYy0KLQ6DUvKH9IMgl6S9yJiYAgtC2 4TN15+t/9ZJjlVMgwtRY5tPLgrZ7h6Jw/rZIj+Wwj78yjcdguYDAdPKe9hHLAAUR tCZFZWxjbyBDcmFtZXIgPGNyYW1lMDAxQGhpby50ZW0ubmhsLm5sPokAlQIFEC20 ++aAwHTynvYRywEBJ/UD+QEah9xIn/Vt3GbJYA3b6i/vXnEhG/z6qrqaJ8fubFin Ia2JMT4AceNEtz+6j7lIz/iJbj9CPIOASnSIQ/hmrERlWcsgWR7U29QnQjunZ6BE S64pONVmEA207lDwgAzUJ4+h+urYTIfz4qW/jHcs6nTfwe5qhfbDM1b6yTe301A/ iQCVAgUQK/qELegWAlGwR3dDAQEd/AQA1iny6lLuQFxVg6yvJ6xjnjSmOpHkz2Un ZTfbnXHtDBLA0CDFT8A4nfW/hLT1j7dx6yD5+lUPkMX1GTttlOMp819VyK8Wm8lv HnkFbehTTmmlY2BxBqWC7EUml39BqQEWbxqlt6M/btScsMVlQJyiluEW1cacYt68 DPpqScQWzz0= =cAIH -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- ... If you outlaw Privacy, only the Outlaws will have Privacy! Eelco Cramer <crame001(a)hio.tem.nhl.nl> ------ --------------------------------------------------

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Response to Uni's "Lawsuit" Message
by jazz＠hal.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Quoting from Curtis Frye's response: What exactly is Netcom's liability in this case? If a service provider is treated as a phone company, abuse of the service could be grounds for discontinuing the service. As Netcom did not discontinue tmp's service (see below), perhaps there is room for suit there. By your phrase "treated as a phone company", are you implying Common Carrier status? If so, I wonder under what grounds a common carrier is allowed to terminate service? Certainly, non-payment of bills is one. If person A alleges person B has made threatening phone calls, can the phone company terminate person B's service unilaterally based solely on the allegations? Must it wait until civil suits or criminal charges are brought? My understanding of common carriage was that the carrier was obligated to provide service to everyone within its service area, whether or not it liked their politics, or bedmates, or the content of their communications. What protection should Netcom, and other access providers, have against the abuses of their subscribers? Damn if I know, but it's an important question to stay awake at night worrying about... What was in the contract signed by the subscribers? You can bet that if I ever start an on-line service, there will be an "indemnify and hold harmless" clause, and provisions for demanding proof of umbrella liability coverage; lack of coverage upon demand would be grounds for termination. In other words, if tmp@netcom were a subscriber to my service, and someone alleged wrongdoing to this degree, my action would be to demand of tmp proof of umbrella liability coverage of $1,000,000; without such proof, account revoked. The only way to put teeth in an indemnify-and-hold-harmless clause for an individual, I guess. Very much in line with your earlier thoughts on the potential (non-) application of traditional libel/slander law to the Net -- would the Courts allow cyberspace to be that much more rough-and-tumble, with higher standards of abuse required for successful suits? They'll have to, with the current state of the art with respect to authentication and non-repudiation. A plaintiff will have to work pretty hard to prove a particular human generated a piece of email, given the ease of spoofing, remailers, anonymity and pseudonymity. I also thank Uni for posting. Jason Zions

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Looking for a paper...
by Jim McCoy 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I am trying to hunt up a copy of: The Dining Cryptographers in the Disco: Unconditional Sender and Recipient Untracability with Computationally Secure Serviceability by Michael Waidner and Birgit Pfitzmann So far the only ref I have found is the abstract in Eurocrypt '89, but I can't seem to locate a copy of the entire paper. If anyone knows of where I might find a copy I would appreciate it... jim

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Minor edit to the PGP 2.6 distribution
by Jeffrey I. Schiller 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

About one half hour ago I replaced the PGP 2.6 distribution files with a newer version. The change represents a new mitlicen.txt file (minor wording correction, no big deal) and a corrected UNIX makefile. The source itself and the executables were not changed. -Jeff

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PGP 2.6 uses RSAREF version 1
by Hal Abelson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

MIT's release of PGP 2.6 uses RSAREF version 1, under the RSAREF license of January 5, 1993. Some people have wondered whether including RSAREF 1, rather than RSAREF version 2, is an oversight in the PGP 2.6 distribution. It is not an oversight. Version 1 is what we intended. The change from RSAREF 2.0 (in PGP 2.5) to RSAREF version 1 (in PGP 2.6) was done on the advice of RSA Data Security, which has granted MIT permission to access non-published routines in all RSAREF versions 1.nn, and rights in accordance with the version 1 license. -- Hal Abelson Dept. of Elect. Eng. and Comp. Sci. MIT

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(fwd) FBI infiltrates Connected.com
by Jim choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Path: bga.com!news.sprintlink.net!connected.com!connected.com!not-for-mail From: turmoil(a)hebron.connected.com (Turmoil) Newsgroups: seattle.general,alt.activism,alt.2600,alt.drugs Subject: FBI infiltrates Connected.com Date: 21 May 1994 11:48:31 -0700 Organization: Connected INC -- Internet Services Lines: 22 Message-ID: <2rll1v$jmb(a)hebron.connected.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hebron.connected.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: bga.com seattle.general:3840 alt.activism:10793 alt.2600:9216 alt.drugs:20914 Recently the staff at connected. has admitted that they have "invited" two FBI agents to roan that system. According to connected.staff these FBI agents are looking for "hackers phreaks" and people having copywritten programs. I am pretty peaved about this, we don't know how long thev'e been here, what rights they have on the system, or much else. Just that they are here. Watching us. Of course, I never use my account for illegal activities. Shit, I don't even do much illegal (except smoke a bit of pot) But I do not like the idea of giving up my rights against undue searches. This seems a reflection on the state of America today. This used to be a free country, but now there is a pig or FBI agent watching EVERYTHING you do. This is NOT the America described in the constitution. It's not a society of free, independent people. It is a dictatorship that must spy on it's own people in order to survive. I am anxious to here what others that read these groups think about this. Have A Nice Day turmoil(a)hebron.connected.com The FBI have infiltrated this site, I am activly searching for a new site

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