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Re: META: Censorship is Going Way too Far
by Otto Matic 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

And I was very surprized to see this posting in the flames trash can!! Tim is just calling the Cypherpunks to task. Tim, what have you done to deserve such treatment? What agenda is it that makes it seem as if the machine hosting this mailing list will be in the wrong hands? Like the shadow government? Sorry they are giving you the Dr. V. treatment! >From cypherpunks-errors(a)toad.com Tue Feb 11 05:57:27 1997 >Fellow Cypherpunks (of the virtual community, even if not part of any >particular version of the list(s)), Articles are dated: > >* 2/7/97, 1:46 p.m. PST > >* 2/7/97, 1:59 p.m., PST > >* 2/7/97, 3:03 p.m., PST > >* 2/7/97, 9:46 p.m., PST otto =-=-=-=-=- Otto Matic "Fuckin' A, Miller!" Bud, Repo Man --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Network of majordomos (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 14:33:03 -0800 > From: Greg Broiles <gbroiles(a)netbox.com> > Subject: Re: Network of majordomos (fwd) > Yes, I installed INN and ran a few hundred test messages through it last > night. My machine will be on the net full-time Thursday or Friday. Will yours > be ready then, too? The mailing list was ready yesterday. Currently I have about a dozen subscribers who are testing it. Igor has his list up and I expect that we will begin the cross-subscription process on Saturday or Sunday. I sent a 'who is here' message to cypherpunks-hosts(a)algebra.com and have not received any replies. > If you need some help setting it up, let me know. It can be a little tricky > if you haven't done it before. Thanks, I'll factor that into my equation. I, however won't be acting as a mail-to-news gateway at this point. What I would like to see would be a news site which sent a copy of each incoming message to a mailing list and would have an email address where each new submission to the mailing list would get sent to. To make it really interesting would be to use two seperate remailers, one for each traffic path. Had you thought of taking your news that far? Jim Choate CyberTects ravage(a)ssz.com

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Re: Excerpt on SPAM from Edupage, 11 February 1997
by Timothy C. May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 6:21 PM +0000 2/12/97, Attila T. Hun wrote: > maybe relief is in sight; can we spell excedrin? > >on or about 970211:1433 educom(a)elanor.oit.unc.edu said: > >+COURT GRANTS COMPUSERVE INJUNCTION AGAINST JUNK E-MAIL > >+A U.S. district court in Ohio has granted CompuServe's request for a >+preliminary injunction barring Cyber Promotions Inc. from sending >+unsolicited e-mail to its subscribers while the commercial provider ... Were I a customer of CompuServe, I'd ask on what basis CompuServe was intercepting e-mail to me. In fact, a CompuServe account holder has made just this point: "I'll decide what's junk mail and what's not." Having the court system involved in deciding what mail is valid and what is not valid is not my idea of a free society. Having said this, the flaw remains that "junk mail" is "free" to the sender. This is a flaw in the ontology of e-mail, and needs to be fixed. Digital postage is one approach. I'm not holding my breath, but I sure don't want a "District Court" deciding. --Tim May Just say "No" to "Big Brother Inside" We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: anonymity and e-cash
by Mark M. 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On 12 Feb 1997 janke(a)unixg.ubc.ca wrote: > It's not too hard: The payee forwards a blinded, non-signed coin > to the payer. The payer has the bank sign this, and then returns > it to the payee who strips out the blinding factor. This is correct except for the fact that the payer also has to apply a blinding factor to the coin, thus making it a "double-blinded" coin. It gets signed by the bank, the payer divides the coin by the blinding factor and sends it to the payee, who then strips out his blinding factor. Ecash coins can also be laundered making the above scheme mostly unnecessary. Since most people will probably not look upon fully anonymous ecash highly, laundering will be a more popular option as it cannot be prevented. Mark -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBMwJkjyzIPc7jvyFpAQFHcwgAm2TZXg3wVDCtXyHBdq7WX44iA+nIvmHJ GlcXCjyKBEmvRPfkvU/NUnS1cRfjsPh5ZmjNwjBc21lwxjcOLFtu+3Mcd6tNoyYQ 4Abp4lvJLnpGAtAVeSeTAw+7mzwrC0jfWgt2meNbnyp2WxLxg/JA7VGGkS39g4Jm +i3F8H00mFJfmZUGpAiywE7GNobCXeppPJOn/QHA4/FrWJx5hE39qgB7U+AFwYVP PHGy4SSSBeKWciK83DU3Bz6ptygznL7fHW4vOZ8UM5QZjbyiDomVriSuJHw0lKdH r63BhOqYPXgMHgsa28XTlI9AWN5PpaIbvORTHOWv40EF3nGVrWGnMw== =Vpit -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Recommendation: Creation of "alt.cypherpunks" (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 16:22:28 -0800 > From: "Timothy C. May" <tcmay(a)got.net> > Subject: Re: Recommendation: Creation of "alt.cypherpunks" > I was making the point that _any_ site distributing a list is likely to > face legal pressures not to carry certain items. Read between the lines (or > read the unedited list) the discussion by John Gilmore, Sandy Sandfort, and > the products of Sandy's company, and legal pressures applied, to see what I > mean. This is exactly the reason that my suggestion to anyone setting up a remailer with any sort of controversial content should do it as some sort of outreach of their business. It is too expensive in time, money, and hassles to do for grins and giggles. Jim Choate CyberTects ravage(a)ssz.com

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Transmission of Crypto material and ITAR
by Benjamin Grosman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dear All, I have a question regarding the impossible enforcement of ITAR/EAR: Naturally I cannot download crypto software from the US, but most of these sites have mirrors in other countries, such as the UK for PGP, and sweden and finland for lots of things. However, with the way that information is routed throughout the internet from these sites, whenever I, in Australia, request packets containing this data from the UK etc, it invariably passes through the US from coast to coast! Therefore, if ITAR/EAR tries to govern that, aren't they really trying to enforce something totally unenforcable? Surely they cannot expect all gateways operated by, say, Sprint and MCI to packet sniff 'n' search? Can anyone tell me what the ruling is with regards to this? Yours Sincerely, Benjamin Grosman ---------------------------------------------------------------- Benjamin Grosman - Programmer, Magna Data Internet Solutions Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur. [Whatever is said in Latin sounds profound.] ----------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Network of majordomos (fwd)
by Bryan Reece 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 14:33:03 -0800 From: Greg Broiles <gbroiles(a)netbox.com> Yes, I installed INN and ran a few hundred test messages through it last night. My machine will be on the net full-time Thursday or Friday. Will yours be ready then, too? We've got INN here. I created a cpunks.general group (as well as alt.cypherpunks) on taz.nceye.net and made both world-accessible. Our feed hasn't got alt.cypherpunks yet; is someone who has got it willing to feed it? (also, is there a consensus on what group names to use: new top-level hierarchy? cpunks or cypherpunks? or just the alt group, with the usual propagation and spam problems?)

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Re: New group
by Jeremiah A Blatz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk writes: <snip> > > I pressed the URL alt.cypherpunks and my Netscape server said > > "no such thing" or words to that effect. > > The control message may take a few more hours to propogate, either > that or your newsadmin has rmgrouped it. The charter was clear and > concise and explained the issues so I don`t see why it should have > been rmgrouped. Can you mail me if it hasn`t been created by the time > you get this email and I`ll re-issue the cmsg. However, I`m sure it > was OK as Robert Hettinga (sp?) found it on his news server today... Yet another "me too," alt.cypherpunks is alive (dunno about well, time shall tell) on my news server. Jer "standing on top of the world/ never knew how you never could/ never knew why you never could live/ innocent life that everyone did" -Wormhole -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQB1AwUBMwKe2Mkz/YzIV3P5AQGQYQMAkwiuqAV/PsdcCscHVbsT6rxoKMv63UQh ebBIUh9QnXxVqjxcv3dvoanYGrP1Ldyvza9GXgLlTBIwtAuC+Od026mcV0NljUT/ 9WSg3iaHdUBReHpXbTsOVF+a9lQp4fzP =Hfgq -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: NSA Rainbow Series.
by Moroni 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Zip,NAda,Nothing. And they have more too. They were backlogged so some people haven't gotten their mail since I last posted about. I called yesterday about my videos and posters and lo and behold I received my two tech manuals today. The people who answer the lines are friendly and usually pretty industrious in getting things out or done. By the way there is supposed to be a department split in the near future so I don't know if manuals will be in one department and posters in another or what. On Wed, 12 Feb 1997, Tobin Fricke wrote: > Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 18:03:35 -0800 > From: Tobin Fricke <tobin(a)edm.net> > To: Moroni <moroni(a)scranton.com>, Genocide <gen2600(a)aracnet.com> > Cc: Cypherpunks Mailing List <cypherpunks(a)toad.com> > Subject: Re: NSA Rainbow Series. > > > 1-800-688-6115 press 0 or just wait for the operator. My second > > order consisting of posters and video has not arrived either. It has been > > about 6 weeks. The Rainbow order was only 2 weeks. Be prepared that when > > you order the Rainbow series you will be getting a large box.Their are > > something like 30+ booklets in the series. > > There is a set of security posters that include a Santa > > poster.And there is also a video with two films on it (Acess Ins and outs > > adb Acess Control). > > How much does all this stuff from the NSA cost? > > Tobin Fricke > (please reply privately, tobin(a)mail.edm.net) > > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx x No success can compensate for failure in the home. x x x xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

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Transmission of Crypto material and ITAR
by Benjamin Grosman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dear All, I have a question regarding the impossible enforcement of ITAR/EAR: Naturally I cannot download crypto software from the US, but most of these sites have mirrors in other countries, such as the UK for PGP, and sweden and finland for lots of things. However, with the way that information is routed throughout the internet from these sites, whenever I, in Australia, request packets containing this data from the UK etc, it invariably passes through the US from coast to coast! Therefore, if ITAR/EAR tries to govern that, aren't they really trying to enforce something totally unenforcable? Surely they cannot expect all gateways operated by, say, Sprint and MCI to packet sniff 'n' search? Can anyone tell me what the ruling is with regards to this? Yours Sincerely, Benjamin Grosman ---------------------------------------------------------------- Benjamin Grosman - Programmer, Magna Data Internet Solutions Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur. [Whatever is said in Latin sounds profound.] ----------------------------------------------------------------

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